The Finisher Thread, Don't you steal my finisher! Options

[Guest_Horse hockey!_*]

Okay, so it was brought up in chat that a list of people's finishers should be made up so that when someone is going through their moves, they won't have someone else's finisher as a common move, and degrade the value of said finisher.

Just reply with a finisher change and I'll adjust as necessary. Or if I have the name of your move wrong..


Ace Lezaire - Ace Crusher
Double Chickenwing with Bridge

Alan Clark - Reverse Figure Four Leglock
Wild Bomb to Styles Clash to Texas Cloverleaf or Cross Lightning

Andrea Montgomery - STO to Double Underhook DDT
Springboard 450 Splash
Handstand Neckbreaker

Austin Sly - Lionsault
Super Swinging Neckbreaker

The Birdman - Northern Exposure
Mexican Stretch Buster

Candace - Sleeper Hold
Diamond Cutter

Ced Ordonez - Top Rope Corkscrew Swanton Bomb
Reverse Figure Four Leglock
Fallaway Moonsault

Chance Silver - Cattle Mutilation with Tazmission
Springboard Inverted Shooting Star Press
Reverse Crucifix Powerbomb to Ace Crusher

Crowe - Jumping Brainbuster Suplex

Dace Night - Double Arm High Angle DDT
Torture Crab
Single Arm Sleeper Suplex

David Cross - Powerbomb to Spinebuster
German Suplex to Dragon Suplex to Straightjacket Suplex

Edward James - Canadian Backbreaker Crucifix Powerbomb
Cross Arm Northern Lights Driver

Jamie Drazon - Sheer Drop Angle Slam
Yakuza Kick
Hiza juji-gatame Cross Kneebar

John Duran - Burning Hammer to Inverted Diamond Cutter
Full Nelson Bomb

Johnny Dangerous - Fallaway Slam
Over the Shoulder Half Crab
Moonsault Double Stomp

Landon Maddix - Tornado Downward Spiral
Shooting Star Legdrop

Manson - Diamond Cutter
Elevated Half Crab

Mark Stevens - Pedigree
Standing Octopus Stretch

Martin Hunt - Sleeper Hold
Reverse DDT

The Masked Man - Fall Forward Brainbuster

Max King - Reverse DDT variant
Reverse DDT stretch

Mike Van Siclen - Styles Clash 03
Gokuraku Clutch

Munich - Cradle Piledriver
Standing Full Nelson

Nathan Xavier - Stalling Hangman's DDT
Death Valley Driver

Petey the Irish Penguin - Reverse DDT
Corkscrew Moonsault

Rob Gilbert - Downward Spiral

Ryan Dustin - Phoenix Splash
Shoulder Neck Breaker variant

Sean Davis - Thunder Fire Powerbomb
Back Mounted Full Nelson

Spike Jenkins - RKO
Dragon Clutch

Suicide King - Half Nelson Forward Russian Legsweep

Tod deKindes - Dragon Sleeper to Russian Legsweep
Pumphandle Michinoku Driver
Tazmission

Todd Cortez - Miracle Ecstasy Bomb
Dragon Sleeper/Armbar Takedown with Grapevine

Toxxic - LSD II
Sliced Bread #2
Hammerlock to Dragon Sleeper

Tom Flesher - Sheer Drop Gutwrench Suplex
Face Driver, Knee
Back Mounted Dragon Sleeper

Vladimir Everheart - Northern Lights Bomb
Jumping Kneeling Piledriver
Reverse STF

[HollywoodSpikeJe...]

Candace - Sleeper Hold
Diamond Cutter

Manson - Diamond Cutter
Elevated Half Crab

Changeplz


That is what this thread is here for, right?

[Guest_Horse hockey!_*]

That is what this thread is here for, right?

Partially. More so that people can rearrange moves they may already have as common or signature if someone else already has that move as a finisher. To keep credibility.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

What establishes precedence and/or priority? I mean, if somebody (read: Sly) has a finisher that I had as a signature move (read: lionsault), does that mean I'm expected to get rid of it when I come back? Because nobody was using it as a finisher when I joined, and I was using it as a signature move for something close to two years before he joined and started using it as a finisher.

- Dub "who decides?" Cee

[Guest_Suicide King_*]

It seems to me that I must bear this tremendous weight alone. No finishers for anyone.

[frisco]

Candace will be changing her finisher in the very near future, I've just got to think of something special that would work well for her. I guess the diamond cutter is used by a few others so I'll find something new and exciting.

Ok she now has a new finisher and i'll be updating her stats section. Its "The asian death lock" and its basically an octopuss stretch she holds onto her opponent submits. The ultimate humiliation--taping to Candace!

[Edwin MacPhisto]

What establishes precedence and/or priority? I mean, if somebody (read: Sly) has a finisher that I had as a signature move (read: lionsault), does that mean I'm expected to get rid of it when I come back? Because nobody was using it as a finisher when I joined, and I was using it as a signature move for something close to two years before he joined and started using it as a finisher.

- Dub "who decides?" Cee

Here's how I always thought about it, though as a curmudgeonly ol' retiree I certainly do not make the rules.

As long as it makes sense, go with it. A lionsault isn't exactly heavy impact, and it's fairly common among cruisers. Which isn't to say that it can't make a good finisher - it's all in the build and the sell. But I'd say a move like that is pretty close to public domain. It's also a simple enough manuever that it's very easy to vary it - there's no reason that Dub Cee's Lionsault has to be portrayed as powerfully as Sly's. I see the reverse DDT (which, surprisingly, 3 people have among their finishers) in a similar light. They're moves that are much more common outright in North American wrestling.

[janusd]

In a moment of shock and horror, I'm in semi-agreement with Dub Cee's question. Do 'retired' people get their finishers on this list? Particularly because if we make a return, and some newer character has our finishers, why should we be obliged to change them if our character had them first?

I doubt a "who does the finisher better" feud would bring in the ratings. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Or, I could always go with a fistdrop; I'd certainly like to think that Dub Cee's character is established enough that I could pimp a fistdrop. I'll do it from the top rope, like the Rockers used to.

- Dub "and maybe I'll add a flip or something" Cee

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I doubt a "who does the finisher better" feud would bring in the ratings. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Feh; that's because all your finishers are painstakingly slow and cripple people. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

- Dub "or TMM could reprise Grappler, and he and Janus could do a 'who has the best bearhug' match" Cee

[The Ill One]

Well, Dace help me out here, it's more of an "elevated reverse DDT" not being bitchy- but there is a difference.

[Guest_Suicide King_*]

Edited with my finisher, because I matter.

[Guest_Fire and Knives_*]

I think it's appropriate that we have anybody using the Demonstar drawn and quartered.

K.

[hhh6294]

Well dubs, I've pretty much seen the finisher priority on who has used it the most. I've used the Hangman's DDT forever now, going back to Jacob's post-pedigree days (in late '01, most of '02) so in that sense, I would pretty much have priority over some newb who comes in when I'm away and takes it.

But if a newb comes in and choses the Death Valley Driver as his main finisher, and all of the sudden I come in and take it as well, I'd probably be the one to give it up to the newb, since he had it first and I haevn't used it very much (if at all).

It all pretty much comes down to experience and the "First come, first serve" method of doing things.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Perfectly reasonable, but my point is that I was kinda sorta "first served," if you weeeell... I just didn't have it as a finisher... because the Wild Ride owns a lionsault.

[hhh6294]

I think that should fall under the same circumstances as well. If you had the move first as a Signature move and some newb came in and chose it as a finisher, they have no right to ask you to change it just because their's is more "important" to their bio.

[muzz]

You mean more than two people have the same move?

Shock horror, learn to live with it.

[janusd]

Feh; that's because all your finishers are painstakingly slow and cripple people. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

- Dub "or TMM could reprise Grappler, and he and Janus could do a 'who has the best bearhug' match" Cee

Crippling = ratings! Didn't you see Kibagami vs Edwin? (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[King Cucaracha]

The way I see it, any well respected finishers of previous SWFers/legends should be put on the list so they aren't re-used. If only to avoid the inevitable 3 page thread of arguement. Also, any rare moves that nobody wants using without permission being on the list would help too.

However, common sense said you can't block people from doing certain moves. Lionsaults, as WC brought up as an example, aren't all that common in the SWF. But I certainly wouldn't call it a 'specialist' move. Depends how it's booked I suppose. Common sense would have to be used though and blocking a newb from using a Lionsault because WC uses it alot would be pretty drastic.

Besides that though, this is a good idea to avoid any immediate finisher clashes. But it shouldn't (always) mean immediate death for using the same move as someone else...

Case in point: If I were to use for example Ejiro's old finisher then, as long as he had no problems with it, I wouldn't really see a need for a change. If he had a problem with it though then I'd expect to be asked to change it.

[Dace59]

You really shouldnt use old finisher (not big ones anyway) as it's become complete canon that they will always been deadly, eg the Demonstar. Not just because Kibs is an asshole about, but because he got the thing so fucking over it's now part of history and such.

Other less moves in time fade and such, so it doesnt matter as much. But mainly, your character should be less skilled at the move than the original user to make it less effective and so not a finisher.

[Guest_PimpDaddySarp_*]

Nathan Xavier stole my Agony of Defeat. Booo









even though he probably doesn't know who the fuck i am

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Maddix, I'm not saying that I think that Sly should have to change his finisher just because I have it as a signature move. To the contrary, in fact, what I'm actually saying is that I think that I shouldn't have to change my signature move just because he decided to make it his finisher.

[Dace59]

Yes, yes you should WC.

Because you're a better flyer than Sly, but if HE can get a win with a Lionsault, then WC should be able to as well. But with WC's speed he can do, FAR, FAR, FAR better moves.

But the Lionsault is a bad finisher anyway. Most people do it from the 3rd rope and get a 2 from it.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

:: pouts ::

[Above Average]

Bah, this conversation needs more salt. It tastes a little whitebread to me.

*The_Mak kicks out of everyone's finishers*

Original, I know. But in this Sly and WC case, there are numerous reasons why WC's lionsault can be weaker -- Sly's weight advantage being the easiest off the top of my head. Common sense = not all that common.

[King Cucaracha]

Not to mention the age old 'it's his finisher because he's perfected it, where as Wildchild hasn't' arguement. And DubCee...I agree, you shouldn't have to change. After all, it's not like Jericho's the only wrestler in North America to use the Lionsault...


...anyone get the feeling we take this place WAY too seriously sometimes?

[Secret Agent]

Yeah, really, WC don't weight but 10 pounds or so. Having him fall on you isn't very fatal. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As far as finishers go, I think I'm safe unless Kurt Angle has something to say about it.

[Dace59]

Thing with different feds, is most of the time you can ignore their move psych as there...."different worlds with different rules". Barring the biggest and baddest of moves.

I dont care who you are, a Tiger Driver 91 should always be a "DEATH!" move. Much like the Demonstar will always be here.

It's a balance to strike and all that. But it can be done with a little jiggling around.

[King Cucaracha]

I dont care who you are, a Tiger Driver 91 should always be a "DEATH!" move.

Eh. Kicked out of one of them in the OAOAST. Nobody kicked up a fuss. Then again, if that happened here...

Ah well.

*stunners Dace*


EDIT: I'm sorry. I of course cannot do that, because it could be seen as an attempt to steal Ace Lezaire's finisher. I humbly apologise and after consulting the list, I will instead place Dace in the Hangman's Clutch.

Hopefully he won't no-sell his neck after though (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by King Cucaracha: Aug 5 2004, 12:57 PM

[Dace59]

You have to remember, the line can only go so far. Then nothing will be a big fininsher because it's all been kicked out off.

Look at AJ Styles kicking out of a Super Ki Krusher...right, now what uber death move does Ki has left to finish him with in a huge battle later on?