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Bret Hart responds to Ric Flair's comments, His latest column
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Bret Hart recently posted the following on his official website. Here is what he had to say:

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I’m sure that if wrestling fans will give some thought to what I’ve
written here, you’ll find it to be more accurate and far more interesting than
Ric Flair’s book.
I don’t know if I’m more infuriated or disappointed by the derogatory
things he wrote, not just about me, but about other hard working members of
the wrestling fraternity, like Randy Savage and Mick Foley. I wasn’t going
to comment because I didn’t want to promote Flair’s book for him, but as has
become usual in wrestling the truth is getting rewritten again and I’m one of
the few guys who is trying to preserve an accurate chronicle of the wrestling
of our era.
It bears mentioning that if I didn’t have some measure of respect for
Flair his comments wouldn’t have phased me one way or the other. Sadly, the
way he has jumped to erroneous conclusions and put them out there for the
public as the truth has eroded whatever respect I had for him. Everybody has a
right to their opinion, but in my view a valid opinion should be backed up by
facts.
Yes, I did make some unflattering comments about Flair and Hogan back
in the early 90’s. I then rethought what I’d said and in the interest of doing
business with them, for the greater good of the business, I made a sincere
effort to apologize to both of them, publicly and privately. They each shook
my hand and told me not to worry about it and that it wasn’t an issue, but when
I got to WCW I was never given any kind of a chance and whether either one
or both of them was behind it I’ll probably never know, other than hearsay.
Now, years later, Hogan and Flair have both spoken inaccurately about me and
have tried to debunk and minimize my contributions to a business that I was
born into and have devoted my life to with deep passion and dedication.
Wrestling wasn’t just a job for me, it was the only way of life I knew long before
either Hogan or Flair laced up a pair of boots and took their first wrestling
lesson to see what it was like.
Never, in all my life, have I ever been so infuriated by ridiculous
statements made about me. Perhaps they were purposely designed to get my
response and sell more books, who knows. Who cares?
Flair talks about how I could be the president of my own fan club. All
I can say is, he’s one to talk! Self promotion was an intricate key to any
wrestler making it in the business. He convinced a legion of fans that he
was the best in the business - and there’s nothing wrong with that. He even
convinced himself. But his peers, the guys who worked with him night after
night, know better. How could any fan know what kind of a worker Ric Flair
really is without actually working with him?
Flair says that I believed my own press and convinced myself that I’m
the best there is. When I boast about being the best there is, it is because
of three reasons. The first and most important is that I never injured any
wrestler in any way despite my physical style. This is something in which I
take a lot of pride and I don’t know of anyone, who worked a schedule on par
with mine for as long as I did, who can truthfully make that same claim. The
second reason is that in the fourteenyears I was with the WWF, often wrestling
three hundred times per year, I missed but one match - and that was due to a
canceled flight. Again, I don’t think there is anyone who worked that schedule
who can truthfully make that claim. Everyone on the road worked hard but I
was proud to be counted among the handful of guys with an exceptionally
dedicated work ethic. The third reason is that throughout my career I never once
refused to put over a fellow wrestler - except at Survivor Series ‘97. In a
conversation that I had with Shawn Michaels three weeks before Montreal, when I
was champion, I told him that despite our differences, I wanted him to know
that he was safe working with me in the ring and that I had no problem
whatsoever putting him over. Shawn’s exact words to me were, “I appreciate that,
but I want you to know that I’m not willing to do the same thing for you.” This
was just plain unprofessional. Putting him over would have condoned his
disrespect, not just for me but for the honor of old school ways. Vince told me
that I could leave any way I liked, not to mention the fact that I had
contractual creative control for my last thirty days. The idea for him to beat me in
Canada was solely conceived to ruin me as a commodity in my home country where
WCW had big plans for me. Not to mention that when Shawn Michaels mocked
fornicating with the Canadian flag in the middle of the ring it went beyond
being personal to me, my fans, and my country!
I remember Ric Flair and Bobby Heenan coming up to me in the
dressing room in Nashville on May 6, 1989. I was in the Hart Foundation at the
time and Flair told me he was honored to shake my hand. I had never seen him
work. Being on the WWF road schedule made it nearly impossible to catch any
wrestling matches on TV because we were almost always working or traveling when
wrestling was on. From what little I did see of the NWA my impression was that
their TV show at that time was poorly produced and made the wrestlers come
off as second rate. Despite that, I’d been lead to believe, like everyone
else, that Ric Flair was the best in the business. I always wondered, if he was
the best why wasn’t he in the big league WWF? His popularity at that time
was largely concentrated in the deep south. I appreciated his compliment and
hoped I might have the chance to work with this legend some day.
About a year later Flair was head booker at WCW and he made me an offer
to come work there for money good enough that I had to seriously consider it.
As it turned out, Flair was unable to back up his offer and the deal
fell through when he nervously reneged. I lost respect for him and his word and
smartly chose to stay put in the WWF instead.
Eventually, Flair showed up in the WWF with the WCW belt and I was
somewhat surprised when he shamelessly crapped all over the history of the
territory that made him by not giving them their belt back. To this day I don’t
know what would make him hurt his fellow wrestlers and their struggling company
like that. I admit I don’t know all the facts on this so I won’t comment
any further about it, and Ric should have done the same with me.
Flair was trumpeted into the WWF with great fan fare and at last, one
night in New Haven, I was thrilled to defend the IC belt against this great
legend in an unscheduled dark match that was taped for Coliseum video. I knew
more about ring psychology and real wrestling at the ripe age of nine than Ric
Flair knew in his entire lifetime yet out of respect I let him lead the match.
Ric suggested a finish that called for me to do a flying cross body where he
would subsequently catch me and stagger backwards with the two of us toppling
over the top rope only to be counted out for the finish. It was a simple but
risky move that I’d done countless times before with lesser wrestlers but at
the end of the match when I dove into Flair he stood too far from the ropes,
mistimed it , and he simply didn’t have the strength to catch me so we fell
down in an embarrassing heap. Ric suddenly came up with a new make shift finish
that, not surprisingly, benefited him and not me. It absolutely stunk but
these things sometimes tend to happen when two wrestlers work together for
the very first time. Although the match had been taped and can still be seen
today I wasn’t going to make any kind of a big deal about it, but back in
the dressing room I was annoyed to hear Flair painting out to everybody that
somehow I had messed up the finish, implying that I was still a young up and
comer. If you understand wrestling, you know that all I could do was dive
into his arms and the rest was up to him. He proved to me, right then, that he
was full of it and was no legend at all.
Ric was an old fox that took such liberties every time he thought he
could get away with it. You’ll find nary a wrestler that would describe me,
Savage or Foley as back stabbers or sneaky liberty takers, but with Flair you
better take a number!
I remember Flair worked with Randy Savage who, like me, was lead to
believe the same crap about how great Flair was when they had a Saturday
Night’s Main Event TV match in Hershey on September 1, 1992. He somehow
became WWF champion and Vince McMahon carefully constructed an elaborate storyline
for this very important match. I was standing right next to Vince watching
the match live on a backstage monitor when Vince blew his stack as he watched
Ric do absolutely nothing he told him to do. Ric has never been able to do
anything but his one routine match, which consists of cartoon high spots
borrowed from Jackie Fargo and midget wrestlers, along with an assortment of tired
old ripped off Buddy Rogers high spots. My dad always called Flair a
“routine man” - because he did the exact same routine every night, every where,
and was forever stuck with it. An angry Vince met Flair as he came through the
curtain and he furiously ordered both Flair and an exasperated Randy to march
right back out and redo the entire match the way he’d told them to do it!
Even then, as I remember it, Flair was still unable to impress Vince.
Personally, I would have been shamed with embarrassment to ever put the promotion,
myself, or my opponent through such a farce! I recall telling Randy that I
thought Flair was ‘thirty minutes of non stop non psychology’ and Randy
shook his head and laughed along with me at how true it was.
I can tell you first hand that Ric Flair was not a great worker at
all. Yes, he did hilarious interviews but, to my taste, I never thought a
world champion was supposed to be hilariously amusing. Granted, Flair was
entertaining to watch - and there’s nothing wrong with that. In fact, much like
Hogan, Flair’s magnetism and charisma distracted from and offset his limited
ability in the ring. The single greatest contribution that Flair ever gave to
pro wrestling was the wooo from his silly chops. First off, chops hurt - and in
my opinion they look like crap.
For Flair to demean Randy Savage and Mick Foley is outrageous! In my
opinion, as someone who has worked with all three of them (and everybody else
from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots!
They were both hard workers and exciting innovators who at least made every
possible effort to put on some kind of a different show from night to night.
Either one of them could call a great match any time they wanted. So what if
Randy wanted to put in an even greater effort by designing a great match in
excessive detail? That is a quality, not a flaw, and Flair is too lost in time
to grasp it. Sure Flair could call a match, the exact same one over and over,
talking and telegraphing every move! I can also say that Ric was a blatant
expose every time he cut himself. “Hey look, Ric Flair’s blading! ...”
Some great pro! If old time shooters like Ed Strangler Lewis or Frank Gotch
were to look down from the heavens I’m sure they’d be more impressed with Randy
and Mick’s realism and psychology than Flair’s phony chops and upside-down
flips into the corner, where amazingly he somehow landed right on his feet! -
only to jog down to the next corner - where he climbed right up and - even
more amazingly - took ten or fifteen seconds to maneuver his opponent’s hands
carefully onto his chest so he could take a phony beal back into the ring!
If done on rare occasions, such silly routines, because they are highly
amusing and entertaining, often go undetected for how ridiculously phony they are.
But this pathetic routine was performed every time Flair went blank, and let
me tell you, he went blank all the time!
As for Ric’s criticism of how my comeback was repetitive, all I can
say is that I felt that, logically speaking, why wouldn’t I break into my
patented arsenal of best moves before going into my finish? I did, in fact, change
it up from time to time, but I also recognized that most fans completely
understood what I was doing. It made as much sense as doing the same finishing
move every night, except my finish was a series of moves. The fact that Ric
took exception to this is a simple example of his inability to fully understand ri
ng psychology.
The day after I wrestled Davey at Wembley at Summerslam ‘92 in front
of 86,000 fans I flew to Baltimore. They were playing a tape of the show in
the hotel bar and I was watching a tape in my room when there was a knock at my
door and low and behold both Randy and Flair stood there beaming. They each
shook my hand and I remember Flair excitedly grinning and praising me saying,
“Brother, that was the greatest match I’ve ever seen. The greatest!”
For Ric Flair to say that I wasn’t a draw is just plain ridiculous. I’m
very sure that I sold enough tickets throughout my career. Who is he kidding?
Everyone knows that most of the time WCW wrestlers worked in front of empty
chairs in empty arenas. All one has to do is watch Flair’s DVD to see the
empty seats and the exact same match with every opponent, whatever their shape or
size. After Vince made him redo his SNME match his days were numbered in
the WWF because he clearly wasn’t what he was cracked up to be. Six weeks
later Flair was told to lose the belt to me in Saskatoon on October 12, 1992. As
I understood it, Flair declined putting me over on TV, despite the fact
that he himself had just told me that Wembley was the best match he’d ever
seen ! Let alone that I was the biggest draw the WWF had in Europe and all the
foreign markets, consistently main eventing in front of, not sold out
buildings, but entirely sold out tours! And I had a very strong following in
North America too. The WWF was reeling from sex and steroid scandals at that
time and I was seen as a safe bet to carry the belt, in large part, because I
worked hard and I kept my nose clean. When I won the title in Saskatoon that
night I came back to the dressing room with a dislocated finger and a rolled
ankle, both as a result of Ric failing to tell me what he was doing in the
ring. (I generally never got hurt.)
I worked with Flair every night for a while after that and I finally
went to Vince totally exasperated and told him that I thought that Ric was
intentionally sabotaging my matches every night since I’d won the belt. To be
honest, Ric always worked hard but nothing he did in the ring ever made sense.
Just when he’d masterfully worked my leg he’d suddenly grab a headlock and
call a long series of running high spots! Just when we had the crowd ready to
burst he’d call some lame spot that would kill all the heat we’d built up and I
forever found myself shaking my head at how we’d have to build it up all over
again. Most of what Ric called made him look like a world beater and in some
matches I’d blast him with fifteen or twenty terrific looking working punches
only to see him never go down but then finally wobble and take one of his
pathetic and comedic face bumps. Sometimes he’d do his upside-down flip into
the corner two or three times in a row and in one match, only days after I won
the title, he called for a small package out of a figure four and pinned
himself without even giving me a comeback! When I finally went to Vince he scolded
me and told me that I was his champion and from here on in to take charge of
my matches - and that Flair wasn’t as good as he was cracked up to be! I was
trying to respect Ric at the time but since he was heading back to WCW I
had no choice but to take control. Ric apologized to me saying he was having
problems at home but today he’s telling some bullshit story about Charles
Barkley and the Ultimate Warrior.
A few months later, when I found out I’d be having a one hour marathon
match at the Boston Garden with Ric, I came up with a brilliant storyline
that I ran by Vince, who loved it. When I ran it by Flair in the dressing room
the night of the show he immediately interrupted me and began telling me what
we were going to do instead. I finally had to cut him off and sadly dress him
down in front of several wrestlers saying, “Ric, I’m the champion and this is
how it’s going to go.” He dropped his jaw, turned red, and took his seat,
saying, “You’re the champ.” He never, ever got over it either. Scott Hall was
there and often told this story to other wrestlers for years. Sadly, old Ric
still managed to mess up the timing for every fall, in what I could only see
as intentional. At the time I was furious to read in Dave Meltzer’s
Wrestling Observer Newsletter how Ric Flair carried me for the full sixty minutes!
Ric Flair never carried me, ever! Years later I spoke with Meltzer about
it and we cleared the air when after hearing my perspective on it he agreed
that he didn’t have all the facts and told me that he’d never seen the Boson
match, which was reported to him by a fan who was there. If anything, Flair was
not only notorious for sucking up to the office but generally took liberties
with his opponents who had been convinced that he was going to make them. If
you watch Flair’s matches you’ll see that he usually made himself at the
expense of his opponents , something I was famous for not doing.
Enough about this so called great worker. He was a three dressed up as
a nine who left his opponents second guessing their own abilities after
working with him.
For shame that Ric Flair should take pot shots at Terry Funk, Mick
Foley, Savage, me or anyone else. But none of this is what infuriates me the
most.
For Flair to denounce me for my role in the infamous Survivor Series
in Montreal, all I can say is that he wasn’t there and he ignores much of
the truth when it comes to the facts. The most complete and accurate written
account of the whole Montreal debacle, for anyone who is interested, is
available at brethart.com - written by Dave Meltzer. I stand proud with my head
held high for the way I handled myself and the position I took for the business
and my fellow wrestlers that fateful day. I find solace in remembering two
truly great champions, Harley Race and Dory Funk, who did call me up to tell
me they were proud of me for how I handled myself in Montreal. That’s all the
endorsement I’ll ever need! That’s all I need to say about it.
Far above and beyond anything else Flair said, it is his comment about
how I exploited my loving brother Owen’s death that is unforgivable.
Frankly, this is such a low class blow that it is even beneath him! If he wants to
take pot shots at me as a wrestler that’s bad enough, but it is reprehensible
that he would judge me for the way I handled myself in the aftermath of my
brother’s death. All I can say is that I stood by Owen’s widow through a
fierce and bitter time, never once failing her or their children. I did what I
think Owen would have wanted me to do and I answer to Owen’s memory not to
Ric Flair. For him to say that I fueled the law suit because of Montreal
is ridiculous and disgusting.
I think it’s fair to say one had to walk in my shoes to fully comprehend the
situation and when I put my story into words in a book about wrestling that
is worth reading only then can anyone appreciate all that I lost and all
that I gave during such a difficult time. For this asshole to blindly poke me
in the eye would be like me declaring that Flair showed great cowardice when
he let Bobby Shane die in that tragic plane crash back in ‘75 !
Foley , Savage and Bret Hart have been doing just fine outside of the
world of wrestling. What else has Ric Flair got? I’d like to punch Ric Flair
right in the nose - but I’d probably have to kick somebody in the ass to do
it! In the infamous words of Dick Cheney, go f**k yourself Ric and be glad
that someone like me doesn’t shove your head squarely up your ass someday.

Bret Hitman Hart
July 12, 2004, Calgary
www.brethart.com


Bret certainly didn't pull any punches in any latest column. To be honest, I think he has every right to be angry. Flair's comments on Bret's wrestling ability were pretty crazy, but what was really over the line was his assertion that Bret used his brother's death to get back at Vince.
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:06 AM
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Bret just served Flair a nice glass of shut the fuck up juice if I may say so.
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:09 AM
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Whoa, Bret just laid the smackdown.
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:23 AM
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QUOTE(Staravenger @ Jul 13 2004, 02:06 AM)
Bret just served Flair a nice glass of shut the fuck up juice if I may say so.

big MOTHERFUCKING time.

That was motherfucking unreal.

And can anyone not claim that the majority of Flair's "all-time classics" are a tad overated?

Can anyone not dispute Bret's criticisms of Flair's work?

And really

Did anyone not think Flair's comments about Owen's death were tasteless?
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:29 AM
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:33 AM
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Looked bigger on TV.


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Um...don't fuck with Bret.
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post Jul 13 2004, 01:33 AM
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Okay...

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They each shook my hand and told me not to worry about it and that it wasn’t an issue, but when I got to WCW I was never given any kind of a chance and whether either one
or both of them was behind it I’ll probably never know, other than hearsay.


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The third reason is that throughout my career I never once refused to put over a fellow wrestler - except at Survivor Series ‘97. In a conversation that I had with Shawn Michaels three weeks before Montreal...


Well, I kinda lost interest here with the 'WCW held me down' and 'Montreal...blah blah...Shawn Michaels...blah blah', because it's sadly what's associated endlessly with Bret nowadays.

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Eventually, Flair showed up in the WWF with the WCW belt and I was somewhat surprised when he shamelessly crapped all over the history of the territory that made him by not giving them their belt back.


History lesson for Mr Hart please.

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To this day I don’t know what would make him hurt his fellow wrestlers and their struggling company like that.


Jim Herd perhaps?

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I knew more about ring psychology and real wrestling at the ripe age of nine than Ric Flair knew in his entire lifetime yet out of respect I let him lead the match.


Ooh, ZINGA~! Who says wrestlers aren't mature. 'You stink'. 'No, you stink more'. 'No, you stink morea morea more!'

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Yes, he did hilarious interviews but, to my taste, I never thought a world champion was supposed to be hilariously amusing.


Fact is, it worked though. Bret worked as a serious face/heel. Flair worked as the cocky, amusing face/heel.

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In my opinion, as someone who has worked with all three of them (and everybody else from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots!


Maybe a bit over-exaggerated, but he's probably better positioned than me to have an opinion.

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Everyone knows that most of the time WCW wrestlers worked in front of empty chairs in empty arenas.


So, Flair isn't/wasn't a draw. I'm sure I've read figures that disagree.

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Let alone that I was the biggest draw the WWF had in Europe and all the foreign markets, consistently main eventing in front of, not sold out buildings, but entirely sold out tours! And I had a very strong following in North America too.


I can see where the 'president of his own fan club' line Flair got comes from. He's probably right, but still.

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The WWF was reeling from sex and steroid scandals at that time and I was seen as a safe bet to carry the belt, in large part, because I worked hard and I kept my nose clean.


And he wasn't 300lbs.

Besides that he makes a lot of good points. And obviously he has a reason to be angry. But you just know this'll turn into Foley/Flair too and we'll have endless, petty insults thrown back and forth for months.
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I think Bret has more of an axe to grind with Flair than Foley. Flair will never be forgiven, and rightfully so.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:06 AM
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Holy Cow...

Well, I can certainly understand Bret Hart's reaction although he does exaggerate. I can't say I've seen Flair's classic matches but from what I've read, they don't seem quite as good as most people make them out to be but again, I can't say.

Still... Flair just got served.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:24 AM
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"OOOHHHH YEEEEAAAAHHH Ric Flair I am coming for you you coward!"

Is Flair pissing all over his legacy by talking shit about so many fan favorites?
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:24 AM
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Fucking hell, Bret doesn't hold anything back, great read.
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"OOOHHHH YEEEEAAAAHHH Ric Flair I am coming for you you coward!"

Is Flair pissing all over his legacy by talking shit about so many fan favorites?

People stood idly by and let him spout his shit, now he's offending them, and they are speaking their minds. But I've always known that Bret had questioned Flair's legendary in-ring status.
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I'm still waiting for Bret Hart's book(s) to come out, those will probably be even better if they are ever finished.
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I actually thought both of them were great workers, yet they each seem to say the other was not. I am not really sure who to believe. Both I get the feeling are somewhat self assured.
In terms of drawing, I tend to think drawing has to do with more than just one wrestler, I think the entire company draws. There are exceptions like Hogan in the 80s and Austin 98. But, in general I do not blame one person for bad gates or give one person all of the credit for good gates.
Most people in the NWA, sans Herd, actually agreed with Flair when he left with the belt, even the NWA called him their champion, so I must disagree with Bret on that opinion.
Flair did have a set routine, but it did work. Flair did put some comedy into his work, but so did foley, who Bret praised. I think everyone knows wrestling is fake so I see no problem with moves like the Flair flop. I do not want things to get too silly, but I think Flair usually walked that line on the good side.
Flair could also cut serious money promos, listen to the buildup for Flair/Race in 83 or Flair/Funk I quit. Listen to Flair after he chased off Orton with bat.

I still think they both are great, I just wonder if they actually feel this way about each other, or if this is all over some past grudge.
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QUOTE(geniusMoment @ Jul 13 2004, 08:26 AM)
I actually thought both of them were great workers, yet they each seem to say the other was not. I am not really sure who to believe. Both I get the feeling are somewhat self assured.

I prefer Bret, although both get annoying with their self righteous shit at times.
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I knew more about ring psychology and real wrestling at the ripe age of nine than Ric Flair knew in his entire lifetime yet out of respect I let him lead the match.


Ouch! Flair just got served.
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Bret does have probably more right to object to with Flairs comments than Foley. Because of the Precise ribs and cuts Flair did evidently to discredit in his opinion of Hart's career.

It sounded however that Flair outright Insulted Foley's wrestling career, simply because that Foley's style couldn't be considered as a classic wrestling background. Foley who has basic wrestling ability, was more of a performer than a wrestler. Problem is of course that in professional wrestling someone with Foley's background is just as valuable as a wrestler than someone who wrestled the NWA style move for move.
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was just plain unprofessional. Putting him over would have condoned his
disrespect, not just for me but for the honor of old school ways. Vince told me
that I could leave any way I liked, not to mention the fact that I had
contractual creative control for my last thirty days. The idea for him to beat me in
Canada was solely conceived to ruin me as a commodity in my home country where
WCW had big plans for me. Not to mention that when Shawn Michaels mocked
fornicating with the Canadian flag in the middle of the ring it went beyond
being personal to me, my fans, and my country!


WHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNEEEEE

It's sad, too. Bret was really starting to sound like he got over it in recent months. Obviously not bonding enough with Vince to appear on WWE TV, but he no longer had to sit and bitch about 1997 to everyone who'd listen.


He's shown his true colors again. Sigh.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:33 AM
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I do like that other good wrestlers are coming out and telling the "truth" about Flair and his ONE MATCH ROUTINE he has done for 30 years. I mean sure he might have mixed it up a few times when he ABSOLUTELY HAD TO, but for the most part he has done one single routine throughout his career, and while he definately has been one of the most ENTERTAINING characters/performers, in no way shape or form is he one of the better technical wrestlers of all time.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:35 AM
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Bret is classy at heart. He did drag the Montreal thing a bit far, but the WWE did repeatidly kick shit in his face and rub his nose in it. Flair has shown himself to be largely insecure whenever his legacy is challenged. He adores his own adulation, which unfortunately has led to him staying a strong 8-10 years past his prime. I think not being able to quit will ruin his legacy just as much as his tasteless comments, and unflattering accounts of him as a person. As wrestling fans, we simpyl did not chose to see Flair's somewhat Hogan-esque traits because of his perceived in-ring talent. Not to say Flair doesn't deserve credit for working hard every night for 60 minutes, its just his matches were not all that versatile.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:40 AM
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I missed but one match - and that was due to a
canceled flight. Again, I don’t think there is anyone who worked that schedule
who can truthfully make that claim.


Didn't Bret miss the show the night after Dino Bravo cracked his sternum on the guardrail?
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:42 AM
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Now I cannot wait for Brets book, or 3 book set to come out. The fact that he wrote it himself makes me want it all the more. Hearing about his childhood, early years in Calgary, moving to the WWF, his success, the clique, HBK, the changing fans, the screwjob, WCW and finally closure. I cannot think of anyone, in or out of wrestling, whose book I would rather read.
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QUOTE(Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye @ Jul 13 2004, 03:40 AM)
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I missed but one match - and that was due to a
canceled flight. Again, I don’t think there is anyone who worked that schedule
who can truthfully make that claim.


Didn't Bret miss the show the night after Dino Bravo cracked his sternum on the guardrail?

He missed several weeks if I am mistaken.
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post Jul 13 2004, 02:50 AM
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Fucking awesome read, I loved it all. I'm not the biggest wrestling history buff, so some of this was new to me.
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Bret is talking about missing shows because he just did not show up or in wrestling terms no showed. He missed many dates due to various injuries.
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:08 AM
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It's awesome except for the old bullshit about Montreal. I agree with pretty much everything he said about Ric. I've never been able to see what made Flair such a GREAT wrestler. I guess Bret couldn't either. Aside from the series with Steamboat, every single Flair match I've seen is "his old one routine match".

I can't wait for Bret's book.
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:19 AM
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I gotta agree with Bret on the certain moves each one would do. Flair is something you see coming while Bret's move set would actually make you think he's leading up to the sharpshooter only he'll hook it, attempt it, or he'll be cut off and the match will continue. I don't blame Bret at all for just going off on Flair, if someone feels offended they should be allowed to speak their side, so good for Bret. Now I wanna see if Flair keeps quiet about this or he'll speak his mind. Damnit I can't wait for Bret Hart book(s). Anyone ever hear of a recent update on them?
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:27 AM
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That article was bullshit. Bret should try getting at least half of his facts straight before he goes after Flair in a manner like that. I mean shit, he didn't even name the right plane crash that Flair was in at the end of his column. For as bitter and angry as Bret says Flair is, Bret comes off much much more bitter in that column. To say Flair wasn't a great worker is simply outlandish. Just so many off the wall comments in this thing, Frank Gotch would find Savage and Foley more credible than Flair? Give me a fucking break.
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:33 AM
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That article was bullshit. Bret should try getting at least half of his facts straight before he goes after Flair in a manner like that. I mean shit, he didn't even name the right plane crash that Flair was in at the end of his column. For as bitter and angry as Bret says Flair is, Bret comes off much much more bitter in that column. To say Flair wasn't a great worker is simply outlandish. Just so many off the wall comments in this thing, Frank Gotch would find Savage and Foley more credible than Flair? Give me a fucking break.


He's pist off at what Flair said about Bret's career, why shouldn't Bret be allowed to speak his mind? Bret has everyright to be angry at Flair.
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post Jul 13 2004, 03:45 AM
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Of course he has every right, but he made so many off the wall comments in that, and so many comments about situations that he obviously knows nothing about that he comes off looking foolish. Don't accuse someone of being bitter when you sound just as bitter, if not more, and don't accuse someone of being repetative in their style when you were just as repetative for your entire career.
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