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Carlito Carribbean Cool... ready to go
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post Mar 27 2005, 11:35 AM
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- Carlito Caribbean Cool will be working agsinst his brother Eddie Colon tonight in the ring at a WWC show tonight in Caguas, Puerto Rico. It would appear that Carlito is ready to go, so it will be interesting to see when WWE has him make his in-ring return on Smackdown.

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post Mar 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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With WM so close, they'll probably just wait until afterwards to bring him back to the ring.

Also, since the draft is coming up after WM, they could do an angle where he's trying to get traded to Raw to get away from Long.
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post Mar 27 2005, 12:08 PM
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Hopefully he will stay on Smackdown, I have a feeling that if he were on Raw he would probally end up with Heat duty and Carlito is just....well to cool for that.
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post Mar 27 2005, 12:45 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue the Cena/CCC angle once he comes back.

You know the company's high on you when they keep you on air during your injury.
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post Mar 27 2005, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Shadow @ Mar 27 2005, 01:25 PM)
I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue the Cena/CCC angle once he comes back.

You know the company's high on you when they keep you on air during your injury.

Or the totally opposite effect, you're injured, yet you still get embarressed and humiliated on a weekly basis.
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post Mar 27 2005, 12:55 PM
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Yeah I think he'll be challenging Cena at some point in the Summer (Bash maybe).

In the meantime he could team up with Chvao against Rey and Eddie.
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post Mar 27 2005, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(TheFranchise @ Mar 27 2005, 01:29 PM)
QUOTE(Shadow @ Mar 27 2005, 01:25 PM)
I wouldn't be surprised to see them continue the Cena/CCC angle once he comes back.

You know the company's high on you when they keep you on air during your injury.

Or the totally opposite effect, you're injured, yet you still get embarressed and humiliated on a weekly basis.

for 2 months he was the thorn in Long's side and such, now they logically done the "long gets revenge" plot.

I perfer his character stay fresh by being used in this manner rather then go away and come back and virtually have to start over because he isnt Austin or Triple H or any big name who can go for 8 months and come back and nothing would have change.
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post Mar 27 2005, 01:15 PM
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Assuming that Cena wins the WWE Title at WM or afterwards, I think Carlito will most definitely have a title shot at a PPV like Judgment Day or something, kind of like Cena challenging Brock after WM XIX. Sure, even though Cena won the U.S. Title back from him post-Survivor Series, I don't think we got a proper blowoff to their feud.
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post Mar 27 2005, 01:19 PM
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Carlito is great. I wouldn't want to see him go on RAW, because it'd be similar to Matt Hardy's situation, where he became a superstar on Smackdown, went to RAW, and fuddled around in the midcard or on Heat duty despite getting a huge face pop his first night back.

Personally, I couldn't see Cena/Carlito without some kind of gimmick to it, because neither are ready to carry each other. I could also maybe see a three way with Angle or Eddie where Carlito isn't pinned, and challenges Cena for the next month. Carlito can also go off on him and claim he's never beaten him when he was 100%. Play up the fact that Carlito won a belt his first night in the company from Cena.
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post Mar 27 2005, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(Zack Malibu @ Mar 27 2005, 01:59 PM)
Matt Hardy's situation, where he became a superstar on Smackdown, went to RAW

Wasn't Hardy jobbing to the one legged wrestler on Smackdown before he left for Raw? Yeah, sounds like a "Superstar" to me. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 27 2005, 03:46 PM
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Carlito needs major rebuilding to be any kind of credible PPV challenger for John Cena. He's been made to look like a fool by Teddy Long, which he really should get revenge for at some point before his PPV title match, and he got treated like a jobber by Undertaker a couple of weeks ago. If they are intending to put Carlito and Cena in the main event of a PPV, and it'll be a 'B' level PPV, then they need to start rebuilding hiim right away, so he'll be ready by June or July.
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post Mar 27 2005, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(what @ Mar 27 2005, 03:08 PM)
QUOTE(Zack Malibu @ Mar 27 2005, 01:59 PM)
Matt Hardy's situation, where he became a superstar on Smackdown, went to RAW

Wasn't Hardy jobbing to the one legged wrestler on Smackdown before he left for Raw? Yeah, sounds like a "Superstar" to me. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Matt Hardy broke out on Smackdown. There's no denying that. It doesn't matter what "jobs" you do. He completely overshadowed his brother in every capacity, when it was always Jeff looked at as the "next Shawn Michaels". Doing jobs doesn't mean you're not a worthwhile superstar.
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post Mar 27 2005, 04:12 PM
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Depending on how Mania goes, if Bradshaw loses.

- Have Bradshaw go up to Carlito and say "I hear you can get things done", Bradshaw wants Cena dead, Carlito says no, Bradshaw gets upset, commercial break.

- Later on in the show, have Bradshaw and Cronies beat up Carlito, Cena comes in for the save.

- Build Carlito up as a face, trying to get on Cenas good side (don't make it soooo obvious, but have Carlito return the favour on the beat down on the next Smackdown)

- Have Carlito make amends to Teddy Long, says he doesn't mind being his personal assistant/lackey whatever.

- Build build build, do some of the classic face stuff with Carlito. Have him bring out the ladies, have him team up with Rey and Eddie, etc, etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, have Bradshaw et. co out to get him. At about the 6th Smackdown after Mania, have them put Carlito in the hospital with a broken leg/arm.

- Teddy Long makes a title match on the 8 or 9th Smackdown after Mania. Saying that each man can have 1 person in their corner. Bradshaw has OJ, Cena has CCC.

- The match happens, CCC turns on Cena by removing his cast and clocking him with a steel bar that was hidden in it (or something). Bradshaw pins and wins. They raise each others' hands and then show a dazed and bloodied Cena on the Titantron what was said to each other AFTER Carlito said "no" to Bradshaws initial proposal (what the commercial break hid). Then they show Carlito and the Cabinet faking the beatdown. No big surprises here. Teddy Long comes out but before he can say anything he gets beat down. Carlito destroys him. Blood everywhere. Carlito says the plan worked perfectly.

- The next week it is revealed that Teddy cannot perform his GM duties, so they bring in a substitute GM - insert whoever here- (a face GM). The GM declares a 3 way at the Great American Bash, Carlito vs. Bradshaw vs. Cena.

- Cena tries to get into OJ's head about Bradshaw favouring Carlito more, and how Carlito is pulling the strings, etc, etc, etc. A nice side story to develop.

- At the PPV, have the standard 3 way match, but in the end, when Bradshaw is about to pin Cena, have CCC clock Bradshaw with the belt (or something) and pick up the pin. OJ and the Cabinet come out, look at CCC, JBL starts yelling at them to take out CCC, CCC shows them the belt, they turn on JBL. The GM comes out with an angry look on his/her face, but then smiles and raises CCC's hand. CCC picks up the mic and says the plan worked perfectly.

- The Smackdown after that, have Cena pissed and Bradshaw devestated and confused. They discover (eventually) that they need each other to beat CCC and his crew and form a Superteam. CCC can bring over someone from Raw here (Orton preferably, and if Orton was already traded, he still can be brought into the fold). This can be carried all the way through Summerslam and beyond and guys can be cycled through it (Big Show, Eddie, Rey, Orton, Taker) and it would elevate everyone IMO, given the grandeur of the angle. I also think CCC turning on Bradshaw would make him an even bigger heel, and would make Bradshaw a pretty big face, especially since Bradshaw can cut an awesome pissed off face promo and he's been given enough heel time over the past year to where the fans would grab on to him being a face. That is the real twist: CCC becoming the #1 heel and Bradshaw sharing #1 face status with Cena. The evolution of Bradshaw becoming a face wouldn't happen in one show, it would take a few weeks to develop. He needs to be down and out. He needs to be drunk in the gutter. He needs Cena to bring him back up. He needs to keep the rich guy gimmick, but play it towards the positive (he is funding the operation).
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:00 PM
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You'd really put the belt on CCC?

Even as early as June?

........I don't know, I'm not necessarily against it, given the storyline you've come up with, but the guy hasn't shown me anything yet which would necessarily justify booking the entire brand around him.
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:15 PM
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It wouldn't be booked around him, it would be booked around the storyline/group. It is an ensemble piece, if you will. His main role would be to act sly and evil, and he'd only wrestle on major shows. It's certainly not a new concept, but it doesn't have to be as long as there are new people doing it. I don't even _like_ CCC (either in-ring or as a promo), but apparently some people do enjoy his character. This would not be a wrestling push, it would be a character push. In terms of in-ring, it would be more booked around Cena and Bradshaw. Add in guys like Eddie and Rey into the mix, and you got yourself some workrate. This sort of angle affords a revolving door in the top spots and can progressively build until Teddy Long comes back and removes the Evil GM from power and gives the good guys the upperhand and ultimately the win.

This, really, is an extension of the Cena/Bradshaw saga, and Bradshaws 2004 Big Heel Run ™. In this case, it is not who is the champion that matters, it is who _wants_ it, and who is _protecting_ it that matters, which -in theory- makes it more valuable.
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:28 PM
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I'd also have The Undertaker play The Crow Sting role, where Randy Orton (with the help of CCC) eventually beats the Undertaker, and no one (Cena, Bradshaw, Eddie, Rey, etc) is there to help him. Have Taker go away for a while (coughCasketmatchcough). So when they need Takers help, there is the question in whether or not Taker will get involved.
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(Vyce @ Mar 27 2005, 08:10 PM)
the guy hasn't shown me anything yet which would necessarily justify booking the entire brand around him.

*cough* Bradshaw *cough*
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post Mar 27 2005, 05:49 PM
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The problem with Bradshaw is that they immediately put him up to the ME ranks. One day he is the beer drinking Texan, the next he is the rich guy from NYC. They dedicated TWO segments to transition from one to the other. He turned on Faarooq and that was it. With CCC, there is a natural transition because of his past relationship with Cena. Bradshaw is mad, he wants Cena dead, he goes to the guy who had him stabbed. Logical stuff. CCC sees that as an opportunity, and possibly has for a while. He also sees that controlling the world title means that he can control the GM position (to a point). It has been well established that Carlito wants Teddy Long gone. From the end of Mania-on, we are to assume that CCC has formulated a plan that will ultimately be fulfilled at the Great American Bash. This gets CCC over as a super-smart heel. And up until that point, he'll be an upper-mid carder, not a ME'er. When they build him up as a face, he'll be interacting with Rey and Eddie and Cena, this will give him an uppercard rub. When he seconds Cena in the title match with Bradshaw, the focus is still on Cena. Then when he turns heel, he will be alligned with the top heel, this is more rub. It may appear that he is a lackey of JBL, like the rest of the cabinet. What makes him the uber-heel is when it is revealed that he has been playing JBL -formerly the top heel- all along. He goes from playing second-fiddle, to leading the pack.

These are all, of course, nuances that will never ever ever ever ever be recognized and developed by the WWE. They'd do what they did with Bradshaw - shoot em up to the top of the card and hope he sticks. IMO they totally fucked up on JBL vs. Cena, where they could have recreated Austin/Hart, and if they used this storyline, they could have made an NWO-style storyline. Two of the best storylines in the 90s that started the boom are right there. I'm not saying that there would be a great level of success, but in terms of storytelling, it would be fantastic.
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post Mar 27 2005, 08:55 PM
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pretty good fanstasy booking I must say

and how exaclty did Bradshawn turn on Farooq, Farooq got fired and bradsawhn was wahat? expected to quit? thats makes no sense.
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post Mar 27 2005, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(Jericholic82 @ Mar 28 2005, 12:05 AM)
and how exaclty did Bradshawn turn on Farooq, Farooq got fired and bradsawhn was wahat? expected to quit? thats makes no sense.

Cause he decided that he wanted to keep his job and provide for his family instead of quitting.....that alone gave me enough reason to hate that bastard for years!
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post Mar 28 2005, 04:25 AM
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It sounds like good booking for the most part, but there are a couple parts that bother me, and make me thing it might not work. Right now CCC's in the lower-card comedic heel role, and the temporary face turn wouldn't really make much sense.

The heel mastermind works best when the fans rally behind the face before realizing they were betrayed. (See Rocky in 1998) I've got the feeling that if this scenario was played out, CCC would never get very over as a face, and the fans would be half expecting him to turn back pretty much the whole way.

Second, I think GAB is still too early to turn JBL. Under your scenario, he would have still been in every WWE title match for a whole year at the time of the turn. The fans really aren't going to be cheering for him to move back up the card. I agree that it's important to keep him in the upper card after he loses the belt, but I think he needs at least 2 or 3 months away from the title picture before they can turn him.
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QUOTE(RavishingRickRudo @ Mar 27 2005, 04:52 PM)
Depending on how Mania goes, if Bradshaw loses.

- Have Bradshaw go up to Carlito and say "I hear you can get things done", Bradshaw wants Cena dead, Carlito says no, Bradshaw gets upset, commercial break.

- Later on in the show, have Bradshaw and Cronies beat up Carlito, Cena comes in for the save.

- Build Carlito up as a face, trying to get on Cenas good side (don't make it soooo obvious, but have Carlito return the favour on the beat down on the next Smackdown)

- Have Carlito make amends to Teddy Long, says he doesn't mind being his personal assistant/lackey whatever.

- Build build build, do some of the classic face stuff with Carlito. Have him bring out the ladies, have him team up with Rey and Eddie, etc, etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, have Bradshaw et. co out to get him. At about the 6th Smackdown after Mania, have them put Carlito in the hospital with a broken leg/arm.

- Teddy Long makes a title match on the 8 or 9th Smackdown after Mania. Saying that each man can have 1 person in their corner. Bradshaw has OJ, Cena has CCC.

- The match happens, CCC turns on Cena by removing his cast and clocking him with a steel bar that was hidden in it (or something). Bradshaw pins and wins. They raise each others' hands and then show a dazed and bloodied Cena on the Titantron what was said to each other AFTER Carlito said "no" to Bradshaws initial proposal (what the commercial break hid). Then they show Carlito and the Cabinet faking the beatdown. No big surprises here. Teddy Long comes out but before he can say anything he gets beat down. Carlito destroys him. Blood everywhere. Carlito says the plan worked perfectly.

- The next week it is revealed that Teddy cannot perform his GM duties, so they bring in a substitute GM - insert whoever here- (a face GM). The GM declares a 3 way at the Great American Bash, Carlito vs. Bradshaw vs. Cena.

- Cena tries to get into OJ's head about Bradshaw favouring Carlito more, and how Carlito is pulling the strings, etc, etc, etc. A nice side story to develop.

- At the PPV, have the standard 3 way match, but in the end, when Bradshaw is about to pin Cena, have CCC clock Bradshaw with the belt (or something) and pick up the pin. OJ and the Cabinet come out, look at CCC, JBL starts yelling at them to take out CCC, CCC shows them the belt, they turn on JBL. The GM comes out with an angry look on his/her face, but then smiles and raises CCC's hand. CCC picks up the mic and says the plan worked perfectly.

- The Smackdown after that, have Cena pissed and Bradshaw devestated and confused. They discover (eventually) that they need each other to beat CCC and his crew and form a Superteam. CCC can bring over someone from Raw here (Orton preferably, and if Orton was already traded, he still can be brought into the fold). This can be carried all the way through Summerslam and beyond and guys can be cycled through it (Big Show, Eddie, Rey, Orton, Taker) and it would elevate everyone IMO, given the grandeur of the angle. I also think CCC turning on Bradshaw would make him an even bigger heel, and would make Bradshaw a pretty big face, especially since Bradshaw can cut an awesome pissed off face promo and he's been given enough heel time over the past year to where the fans would grab on to him being a face. That is the real twist: CCC becoming the #1 heel and Bradshaw sharing #1 face status with Cena. The evolution of Bradshaw becoming a face wouldn't happen in one show, it would take a few weeks to develop. He needs to be down and out. He needs to be drunk in the gutter. He needs Cena to bring him back up. He needs to keep the rich guy gimmick, but play it towards the positive (he is funding the operation).

Some damn good booking there. I like CCC, but I wonder if he could play the role of a leader of a stable like JBL does. JBL can be a great leader because of his character but CCC is "cool" and he doesn't really look like a leader to me. I would love to see CCC as the WWE World Champ and I know for sure he will get better then Cena and JBL in the ring.

After JBL turns Face he could feud with Orlando Jordan over the US Title, another nice storyline and JBL would make a great US Champ.
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It would probably be a little weird to see Carlito main eventing after being in the ring for just a short time in the WWE..... but I love that booking Rudo. Nice job.
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post Mar 28 2005, 09:28 AM
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The only problems I see with RRR's booking is that CCC would have to be in the main event scene relatively quickly (but far better than Bradshaw in two weeks, this would be about two months), and that he's injury-prone (which I guess you compensated for by having wrestle only during the big shows).

Well, there is another problem. Triple H would look at that plan and immediately take it for himself to get himself over again.
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i thought he was injured by someone else's carelessness? no?
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QUOTE(Black Lushus @ Mar 28 2005, 09:10 AM)
i thought he was injured by someone else's carelessness? no?

yeah. Fucking Bob Holly....
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so saying he's "injury prone" is inaccurate then? correct? I mean, he's not Ahmed Johnson or anything...
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the guy hasn't shown me anything yet which would necessarily justify booking the entire brand around him.

*cough* Bradshaw *cough*

in Bradshaw's defense he at least put the time in so that Tenure senstive people can accept JBL as a Champion...

Carlos only star behind him is that he is Carly's boy. And even that people would still go....HuH?

Lets not have another CCC appears DDT's Cena on a belt and suddenly becomes Champ again.
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QUOTE(Black Lushus @ Mar 28 2005, 10:50 AM)
so saying he's "injury prone" is inaccurate then? correct? I mean, he's not Ahmed Johnson or anything...

Maybe he's prone to being injured by others.

/got nothing.
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QUOTE(RavishingRickRudo @ Mar 27 2005, 06:55 PM)
In terms of in-ring, it would be more booked around Cena and Bradshaw.

Great booking overall, but I think I've found a hole in it right here. Namely, merely extending the shitty wrestling you see in Smackdown main events. But if we accept that the best wrestlers on the brand are never going to get main event pushes (or another main event push in the case of Eddie) then yeah, your scenario works well.
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