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post Jun 10 2003, 04:17 PM
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Wasn't Mr. Hughes Goldust's bodyguard that night at Good Friends Better Enemies, or am I thinking of Royal Rumble 1997 again...
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post Jun 10 2003, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(Deep_Thought @ Jun 10 2003, 04:07 PM)
I've got one concerning the Iron Sheik: I just got an MSG event tape that has an undercard match between The Great Hossein Arab (Iron Sheik) facing Larry Zybysco (sp?) but I do not have the date of this event because it was a bonus event added on. What time period was this when the Sheik wrestled under this name? I never knew he used it and was surprised to see it.

Although I can't seem to find the date this match occured on, it would have had to have been between July 1979 and Zbyzsko's heel turn in February 1980.

I have dates and partial match listings for the MSG shows during that time period but nothing more.
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post Jun 10 2003, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(nWoScorpion @ Jun 10 2003, 06:04 PM)
or am I thinking of Royal Rumble 1997 again...

Hughes was Triple H's bodyguard at that show. If the bodyguard was anyone famous, I'm guessing he was a jobber at the time.
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post Jun 11 2003, 07:16 AM
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Random question: where did the Bobby Heenan "weasle" thing come from?

Crusher was using it in the late 70's... I read Heenan's book, and for the life of me I can't recall who or what he "blamed" it on.


In my younger days I thought the British Bulldogs started it, but that's obviously wrong.
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post Jun 11 2003, 01:16 PM
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Well I watched a little bit more of that event and it was headlined by Bob Backlund defending the title against Ken Patera, and Patterson was the InterContinental Champion and faced Capt. Lou Alabno, so it was in that time period you mentioned. Thanks a lot though (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jun 11 2003, 02:35 PM
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If Patterson was IC champ, that narrows it down to after September 79.
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post Jun 13 2003, 01:36 PM
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I'm almost postitive this first MSG event on the tape is from February 7, 1980, as Hogan faced Dominic Denucci on the card, and was the second or third event at MSG that Hogan had done, the first being his debut match againt Dibiase in December of 79. However the seller added another old MSG event on the tape with Patterson facing Capt. Lou, so I'm goin to look into this event as well when I get the chance. Watching these old events and finding the dates has always interested me.
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post Jun 13 2003, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Deep_Thought @ Jun 13 2003, 03:23 PM)
I'm almost postitive this first MSG event on the tape is from February 7, 1980, as Hogan faced Dominic Denucci on the card, and was the second or third event at MSG that Hogan had done, the first being his debut match againt Dibiase in December of 79. However the seller added another old MSG event on the tape with Patterson facing Capt. Lou, so I'm goin to look into this event as well when I get the chance. Watching these old events and finding the dates has always interested me.

Here's what I have from that time period. If you can add anything from that tape be it matches or finishes, feel free.

I did happen to come across the Patterson / Albano match...

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1980
Kevin Von Erich pinned Johnny Rodz with a bodypress
Pat Patterson defeated Capt. Lou Albano via count-out after Patterson hit Albano with his own foreign object (Best of the WWF Vol. 8)
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund vs. Ken Patera

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - February 18, 1980
Tommy Rich defeated Johnny Rodz
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund vs. Ken Patera (Pat Patterson is special referee)

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980
Bulldog Brower defeated Williams
Kerry Von Erich defeated Jose Estrada
Tor Kamata defeated Mike Masters
Larry Zbyzsko defeated Bruno Sammartino via disqualification
Afa defeated Dominic DeNucci
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Sika
Andre the Giant & Pat Patterson defeated Bobby Duncum & Ken Patera
Rene Goulet defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna
Hulk Hogan defeated Tito Santana
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post Jun 17 2003, 07:47 AM
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What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky? WCWSN Storyline?
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post Jun 17 2003, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(Boo_Bradley @ Jun 17 2003, 09:47 AM)
What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky? WCWSN Storyline?

1. It was just Lawler badmouthing Piper every week for being washed up, etc. I think he would make fun of "Hell Comes to Frogtown". At the time, the WWF was airing pretaped Piper promo segments (they might have referred to them as Piper's Pit but it wasn't near the same thing). Piper would be on location shooting some movie and he would cut a promo on the happenings of the WWF in front of the camera in his trailer, etc. I think Lawler was reacting to thinking Piper was so full of himself. They continued to run the pretaped segments even after Summer Slam 94 - I remember Piper going off on Tatanka's heel turn.

2. I believe he was. I don't remember - did Big Bubba ever pull a Pepper back then and cook himself some rabbit?
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post Jun 17 2003, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(Boo_Bradley @ Jun 17 2003, 09:47 AM)
What was the storyline between Piper/Lawler at KOR 94? I can't remember what sparked the fued...

2> Was Bubba allergic to Evad Sullivan's rabbit, Lucky?  WCWSN Storyline?

1. It was just Lawler badmouthing Piper every week for being washed up, etc. I think he would make fun of "Hell Comes to Frogtown". At the time, the WWF was airing pretaped Piper promo segments (they might have referred to them as Piper's Pit but it wasn't near the same thing). Piper would be on location shooting some movie and he would cut a promo on the happenings of the WWF in front of the camera in his trailer, etc. I think Lawler was reacting to thinking Piper was so full of himself. They continued to run the pretaped segments even after Summer Slam 94 - I remember Piper going off on Tatanka's heel turn.

2. I believe he was. I don't remember - did Big Bubba ever pull a Pepper back then and cook himself some rabbit?

Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....

Then again I don't remember any of the build up to that PPV other than Owen facing Doink on a RAW (For a KOTR spot, Doink subbed for Earthquake) and I can also recall marking out when I read in the WWF Magizine that Crush and Yoko would be facing the HeadShrinkers...
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post Jun 17 2003, 12:22 PM
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MAY 9TH 1994:
Razor Ramon pinned Kwang
Crush pinned Ray Roy
Doink the Clown pinned Mike Terrance
Mabel pinned Mike Bell

MAY 16TH 1994:
Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Thurman "Sparky" Plugg
Diesel pinned Mike Moraldo
Owen Hart pinned Tony Roy by Submission
Earthquake defeated Yokozuna in a Sumo Match

MAY 23RD 1994:
Owen Hart pinned Doink the Clown
Duke "the Dumpster" Droese pinned Barry Horowitz
Irwin R. Schyster pinned Gary Sabaugh
Nikolai Volkoff defeated Matt Hardy by Submission

MAY 30TH 1994:
Crush battled Tatanka to a Double Countout
The 1-2-3 Kid pinned George South
The Smokin Gunns defeated Austin Steele & Reno Riggins
Jeff Jarrett pinned Chris Hammrick

JUNE 6TH 1994:
Tatanka pinned Crush in a Lumberjack Match
Bam Bam Bigelow pinned Jean Paul
Razor Ramon pinned Keith Davis

JUNE 20TH 1994:
Diesel pinned Mark Thomas
The 1-2-3 Kid pinned Nikolai Volkoff
Yokozuna pinned Nick Barbarry
Typhoon pinned The Black Phantom
The Heavenly Bodies defeated Jim Powers & Ross Greenburg

JUNE 27TH 1994:
Mabel defeated Bam Bam Bigelow by Countout
Irwin R. Schyster pinned Rich Myers
The Headshrinkers defeated The Executioners
Kwang pinned Mike Moraldo
Lex Lugar pinned Mike Bell
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post Jun 17 2003, 12:59 PM
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I know they aired a few Piper segments on All-American. Not sure about Raw.
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post Jun 17 2003, 03:00 PM
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Did it surprise anyone else at how RIPPED Piper was for that match at KOTR 94? And then two years later in WCW he shows up as the dough boy.
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post Jun 17 2003, 03:03 PM
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Those Piper segments were exclusive to All-American Wrestling and were called "The Bottom Line". They were pretty much gone by the time King of the Ring 94 ended.
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post Jun 17 2003, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(cawthon777 @ Jun 13 2003, 03:11 PM)
WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1980
Kevin Von Erich pinned Johnny Rodz with a bodypress

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980

Kerry Von Erich defeated Jose Estrada

How long were the Von Erichs in the WWF? I've never heard anything about Kevin being up North, and other than that lame "Texas Tornado" era I never knew Kerry was there. Any other cards with them, Cawthon777?
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post Jun 17 2003, 11:26 PM
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They were just one spot appearances. It was MSG - Vince Sr. used to bring in all the big names from all over the country to fill the place up - whether it be the Von Erichs from Texas, Piper from Oregon, Andre, Dusty from Florida, Jack Brisco, Race, Flair, you name it.
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post Jun 17 2003, 11:38 PM
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Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....


That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.
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post Jun 18 2003, 07:34 AM
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I'm tempted to dig out my old WWF mags and find the pics now...
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post Jun 18 2003, 07:35 AM
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Okay here's one: Where did Oscar come from? I have heard nothing of his existence prior to or after his WWF stint..
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post Jun 18 2003, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(bravesfan @ Jun 18 2003, 01:38 AM)
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Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....


That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.

Are you sure about that? True, it's been years since I've seen the show - I just figured that it would be more well-known that it was Jason Sensation.
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post Jun 18 2003, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Boo_Bradley @ Jun 18 2003, 09:35 AM)
Okay here's one: Where did Oscar come from? I have heard nothing of his existence prior to or after his WWF stint..

Me neither. He never worked a match so I'm not so sure if he was a wrestler at all - although he did take a bump every now and again.
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post Jun 18 2003, 01:07 PM
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I think he's involved with the music business. Wrestlecrap did an interview with him back when that site was running properly
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post Jun 18 2003, 01:24 PM
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Ok here's a pretty easy Q:

At Survivor Series 1987 how do the British Bulldogs get eliminated? I have the colo version and it's cut up, cutting out the Bulldgo's elimination.
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post Jun 18 2003, 04:03 PM
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Haku pinned Dynamite but I don't know how.
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post Jun 18 2003, 06:47 PM
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I find it weird that they'd cut out a team getting eliminated. Damn production crew.
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post Jun 18 2003, 08:14 PM
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Okay scary thing is, I KNOW I watched the WWF at that point, but I can't remember any of these "Piper Segments"... Were they a RAW only thing? (I only saw RAW once in a great while back then)... I do remember the kid Lawler punked out on the King's Court that was dressed as Piper, but nothing else.... hmmmm....


That was "Jason Sensation", also known for his work as Owen Hart in the DX/Nation parody.

IIRC, he showed up at the PPV to help Piper out.

Are you sure about that? True, it's been years since I've seen the show - I just figured that it would be more well-known that it was Jason Sensation.

Though you've left me in doubt, I'm 99.999999% sure it's Jason - due to my recollection of the WWF Magazine's Parting Shot (the last page in the old mags, with a cool/funny picture); the edition with the KOTR 1994 recap had a Parting Shot of Piper holding the Fake Piper on his shoulders, ala Savage/Elizabeth.
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I think the fake Piper may have been too tall and even too skinny to be Jason, but as always I could be wrong.
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post Jun 19 2003, 07:12 AM
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That was definitely not Jason Sensation. I was just watching some of that footage, and they are 2 different people.

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post Jun 19 2003, 08:06 AM
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Strictly from memory, fake Piper looked a lot more like Zach Gowen than Jason Sensation (just making comparisons; am in no way saying it was Zach since he was probably 15 at the time).
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