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HCG diet, I've started it.
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post Aug 22 2008, 08:51 PM
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A little backgound, I'm 6'4", 266 lbs. I carry it as well as one could hope, having 200-205 lbs of lean body weight. I'm down from 310 lbs a year ago, which was mostly due to my truly prodigious amount of boozing at the time. Been sober about 13 months now.

However, I don't look so great naked. I'm about 40 lbs overweight, and no matter how much Subway I eat, I'm not losing weight.
So I'm starting this crazy-ass diet.

What is it? You take a hormone (HCG) every day in the morning. Some inject it, others put it under the tongue, I'm doing the latter. For two days you gorge yourself on the fattiest foods possible. (I had a triple whopper for the first time, it was almost gloriously awful.) Then you eat 500 calories a day for the next 26-40 days. The make-up of those calories is very specific, and you can find plenty of resources on the web. You supposedly lose an average of a pound a day. Then you get off the hormone and start a maintenance diet. I wouldn't have tried a diet as nuts as this if I hadn't seen it work for my female friend first; she lost 30 lbs in a month and looks really healthy.

I'm on my second day of the 500 calorie diet. It's tough, but not unreasonably so. The HCG really curbs the actual physical hunger, but I still crave junk food.

So I thought I'd just create this little topic to let y'all know if it works.
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post Aug 23 2008, 01:03 AM
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That sounds like the stupidest diet ever.

Your body needs a certain amount of calories per day in order to function, which is your Basal Metabolic Rate.

A person of your height/size needs about 3000 calories a day just to maintain your weight. Cutting back to 500 calories, is a huge reduction in that amount (2500) plus excercise would obviously lead to weight loss since 3500 calories = 1 lb of fat, but its doing more harm to your body than knocking the weight off.

I dont even want to tell you that HCG is a female hormone, which is what the pregnancy tests look for to determine if a woman is pregnant or not. Theres a ton of side effects as well, the least of which is Man Boobs (which, if you're a little pudgy like me you have anyway so..) as well as headaches and high blood pressure.

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post Aug 23 2008, 01:09 AM
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I don't know, man. I have never heard of this hormone deal, but 500 calories a day is never healthy, no matter how you slice it.
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Bruiser Chong
post Aug 23 2008, 01:23 AM
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First off, Subway isn't exactly healthy. It's a lesser of evils in the fast food world, but you're still eating a ton of refined bread, sodium-packed meat, and if you're like most others, negating any potential health benefits by glopping on mayo and other sauces. Now, as for this diet, what happens after the 40 days when you go back to eating the way you did before? You think that weight and more isn't coming back? How long ago did your friend do this? I'm willing to bet she puts most of the weight back on. Two to three pounds is about the maximum amount of weight you should be losing a week, unless you're grossly overweight.

Go buy The Metabolism Advantage by John Berardi. It's an amazing book that essentially offers a blueprint of how to follow a healthy way of eating that is sustainable for the rest of your life. Diets fail because they're only temporary. People slash the calories to an extreme, drop some weight, plateau, then go back to eating the way they used to. But since they've basically starved themselves, they've slowed down their metabolism, which means your body is now going to start storing more food as fat. This is why people go on diets, lose a lot of weight, and then not only gain it all back, but a little more, too.

Berardi isn't big on supplements. With the Metabolism Advantage, he suggests taking creatine, fish oil caps, protein powder, and a greens supplement (since the typical American diet is grossly lacking in veggie consumption).

I can provide more details if you're interested, but I can say without a doubt this is a better way of weight loss than what you're about to do. Your diet smacks of a quick fix that will ultimately lead to an extended battle with weight issues.
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post Aug 23 2008, 01:34 AM
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The basic formula to lose 1 lb a week is to figure out your BMR and the amount of calories you need per day to maintain your weight and then knock off 500 calories per day either through eating less or exercise. After 7 days you will have cut back 3500 calories which is the equivalent of 1 lb.
You can keep doing this but with the extra weight you lose, you'll have to adust your BMR and the amount of calories needed to maintain the new weight which will be slightly different. The major difference in this plan is that there's no trickery to your body or anything and you'll be much more likely to both stay on the diet and continue to lose the weight AND keep it off. The major problem for most is that its only 1 pound a week and a lot of people want to lose more than that, but losing more than 2 lbs per week (1000 calories less per day) no matter what your body weight throws your metabolism off too much and causes the common problems of gaining the weight back easily and not being able to stay on the diet. Once you hit your target weight, you only have to keep your calories at the maintaining weight level and you wont gain any back (though with exercise you could lose more).

The reverse principle is why people gain weight. If your BRM equates out to 2500 calories per day to maintain your current weight and you eat 3000 a day for a week, you'll end up gaining 1 lb.

Heres a BMR calculator to help you

I really should have gone for my BS in Nutrition. damnit.
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Bruiser Chong
post Aug 23 2008, 02:13 AM
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I generally disagree with anything Marvin says, but he's spot on in this instance. People don't get fat overnight, so why would they slim down overnight?
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post Aug 23 2008, 08:19 AM
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I know it sounds retarded. However, so far so good. Lost three pounds in one day.

I did look into it quite extensively before I started. There are plenty of people who claim to keep the weight off. My friend has kept it off for three months.

Well, we'll just have to see how it goes.
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post Aug 23 2008, 09:21 AM
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To be perfectly honest, inasmuch as it's based around fatty foods and hormone therapy, this sounds like the kind of diet that culminates in a heart attack, but HOLY SHIT IT'S SPECIAL K EVERYONE! Welcome back, Special K! Just run several miles a day and eat less. That's how I got rid of my winter bloat.
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post Aug 23 2008, 09:29 AM
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According to the calculator, my BMR is 1900 calories, which is roughly what I was eating before my diet anyway.

I'm trying to lose weight due to jiu jitsu tournaments coming up in the upcoming months (and well, not wanting to be husky anymore), so I'm very strict on what I eat now. I eat about 800 calories a day, lots of fruits, veggies, oats and water. I'm lazy with going to the gym (I'm trying to work on that), but I train in BJJ 5-6 days a week.

I weigh myself when I wake up and before I go to sleep everyday and keep a log on it. Monday morning, I woke up at 198.6 lbs and as of today, I'm 192.4 lbs.

Is this a good diet, or am I essentially starving myself for no reason?
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post Aug 23 2008, 11:08 AM
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You're eating too little. It's rarely ideal to go more than 500 calories over or under your maintenance level. Even if you're trying to lose weight, you shouldn't cut calories too severely, otherwise you'll bring your metabolism to a standstill and wind up packing on more weight when you inevitably start consuming more calories.

There's a common misconception that in order to lose weight, you need to eat less. The reality is that while you need to cut calories, you still should be eating in regular intervals. You go too long without eating and your body is conditioned to go into starvation mode and thus starts storing food as fat. I hate to sound like a shill, but Berardi has seven basic "rules" for maintaining a healthy diet and it's worked well for me when I've adhered to it.

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1. Eat every 2-3 hours, no matter what. You should eat between 5-8 meals per day.

2. Eat complete (containing all the essential amino acids), lean protein with each meal.

3. Eat fruits and/or vegetables with each food meal.

4. Ensure that your carbohydrate intake comes from fruits and vegetables. Exception: workout and post-workout drinks and meals.

5. Ensure that 25-35% of your energy intake comes from fat, with your fat intake split equally between saturates (e.g. animal fat), monounsaturates (e.g., olive oil), and polyunsaturates (e.g. flax oil, salmon oil).

6. Drink only non-calorie containing beverages, the best choices being water and green tea.

7. Eat mostly whole foods (except workout and post-workout drinks).
So what about calories, or macronutrient ratios, or any number of other things that I’ve covered in other articles? The short answer is that if you aren’t already practicing the above-mentioned habits, and by practicing them I mean putting them to use over 90% of the time (i.e., no more than 4 meals out of an average 42 meals per week violate any of those rules), everything else is pretty pointless.


That last point is pretty important. Too many people are looking for a supplement or quick fix to "look better naked," when in reality, it's not something that's easily achieved for most people. Following those guideposts is a way you can achieve that goal and likely maintain it.

Special K is obviously going to do this crazy diet whether we endorse it or not. I'm sure you'll see quick results, but I'd be interested to see where your weight is at six months from now.
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post Aug 23 2008, 11:59 AM
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Special K is obviously going to do this crazy diet whether we endorse it or not. I'm sure you'll see quick results, but I'd be interested to see where your weight is at six months from now.


Yeah, I'll let you guys know! P.S. it's not based around fatty foods. Low fat proteins, fruit and veggies. Add fats for three weeks after hormone therapy, then slowly add carbs.

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Thanks.... uh, WhackingCockDick!
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post Aug 23 2008, 01:55 PM
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He'll be something else tomorrow I'm sure.

This is just like when the Atkins Diet was superhot, hopefully it works out for you, but it doesn't sound healthy at all.

Just do what I did last year to lose 30 pounds in a month have your appendix burst and go on liquid only diet for like three weeks while recovering. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/ylsuper.gif)
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post Aug 23 2008, 04:37 PM
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This sounds like an impending disaster.
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post Aug 23 2008, 05:26 PM
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http://www.dietscam.org/reports/hcg.shtml
http://calorielab.com/news/2008/04/27/news...t-loss-is-hard/

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post Aug 23 2008, 05:32 PM
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Meh, it all depends. I went on a 1400 calorie a day diet and lost 60 pounds. Kept it off too, until I lost my job and started drinking a quart of vodka a day. Gained back 30. Then I lost 15 of that.

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post Aug 23 2008, 09:21 PM
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How long did it take to lose those 60 pounds? I'm currently in the process of shedding some of my excess lard.
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post Aug 23 2008, 09:40 PM
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Hm, that was a while ago... probably around 6 months.

I'm getting ready to drop some more weight myself. Not going to do any equations, just going to dive in and do it like I did before. Rule number one: put down the damn bottle!
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post Aug 23 2008, 10:40 PM
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1400 calories a day is a lot less unhealthy than 500, though. And how many calories does vodka really have? I lost 60 pounds in just over 4 months in 2003 on a diet consisting almost solely of vodka.
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post Aug 23 2008, 10:43 PM
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Special K, you should probably listen to Mik. He's a biologist, if I'm not mistaken, and would surely know a thing or two about this stuff. If he tells you that you're on the wrong road, heed his advice. Now in the Music folder, another story, but I'd defer to him here.
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post Aug 23 2008, 10:57 PM
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You don't need to have a real extensive knowledge to know this is an impending disaster. I know his credentials add some validity to the matter, but others have offered some true advice here.

Point is, quick fixes aren't permanent ones. Even if you end up dropping weight, you'll likely gain it back once you're off this extreme diet. I'm not sure why people think they can go on these extreme diets for a brief period of time, drop weight, and then go back to their previously shitty diet and expect to keep the weight off. And it's not just about caloric intake, either. My mom probably consumes 1500 or less calories each day, but it's a diet the consists mostly of desserts, egg salad, and various types of bread and it shows.

Re: Milky's weight loss. I'm willing to bet you lost a decent amount of lean muscle during this time. I remember going down to 155 from 215 over two years when I was in high school and thinking how great it was. But that extreme weight loss was a result of less eating, but not better eating. Subsequently, I was a skinny fat 155 pounder.
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post Aug 23 2008, 11:00 PM
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I was exercising too, though.
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post Aug 24 2008, 12:04 AM
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post Aug 24 2008, 12:31 AM
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Shit, I worked lumber at Home Depot for 3 months before I got another engineering job. 'twas a bitch. I stayed the same weight, but definitely gained some muscle and lost some fat. What a shitty job, though.

Putting down the bottle is definitely the first thing to do. An ounce of vodka has something like 70 calories. And that's just about the lowest calorie booze. I was drinking two or three full bottles of Cisco a day, supplemented with a sea of 211. I lost all the alcohol weight wtihin 3-4 months after getting sober.

And HCG doesn't do shit for weight loss unless you're on the specific diet. The tests versus placebo didn't implement that specific diet.

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post Aug 24 2008, 12:41 AM
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I think you'd be better off going down to around 1500 calories made up of 6 meals of the essentials (fruits, whole grains, lean meat, veggies, dairy) with exercise as has been mentioned. The other benefit is while this is slower it will lead you into hopefully a routine that will become second nature and you won't even realize what you are doing and will continue to eat healthy (even boosting up to the 2000 calorie average).
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post Aug 24 2008, 07:01 AM
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I just think it's funny that people lose weight by eating 500 calories per day and think it's the hormone that's doing the work.
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post Aug 24 2008, 08:48 AM
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Yeah, how are you going to do any physical activity on 500 calories a day?
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post Aug 24 2008, 09:41 AM
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Well, I can safely say that I couldn't do the 500 calorie diet without the hormone. It kills your hunger. Down to 261.
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post Aug 24 2008, 03:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure the body burns 500 calories, if not more, just doing normal everyday activities. And there's no way you can get all the nutrients you need on that kind of diet without extensive supplementation. Whatever muscle you may have will rapidly degenerate due to not being supplied with enough protein and other essential nutrients.
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post Aug 24 2008, 04:05 PM
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Try going on a diet of apple cores and shredded newspaper. They provide much needed roughage and essential inks.
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