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Orton vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania?, Legend vs. Legend Killer Match
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:17 PM
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http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_11973.shtml

As first reported last month in the Torch Newsletter, there was consideration given to booking Randy Orton vs. Undertaker at WrestleMania 21 as opposed to putting Undertaker in a tag match with Kane against Heidenreich & Gene Snitsky. That appears to be the plan according to Torch sources today, with the billing being "Legend Killer vs. Legend."

I always thought that this would be an interesting match, but I didn't see them going with it for WrestleMania. I don't really know how they'd set it up by the time April rolls around.

The match wouldn't be too great from a workrate standpoint, but it could mean a lot for Orton's career if he beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania. That probably wouldn't be likely, though. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:19 PM
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I really have no idea how they'd book the finish to this match.
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:19 PM
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Wow, from World Champ to Undertaker's job boy.
Couldn't they just keep Luther Reigns and Taker as a feud to WM?
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:19 PM
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Umm, would someone care to explain why face Orton would want to take out face Undertaker?

Like for example, why would Orton still be doing the "legend killer" gimmick when it is absolutely heelish?
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:36 PM
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I guess the next thread will be "Austin vs Orton likely for WM21"
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:37 PM
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I'll only care if Orton shaves his head, puts on the sunglasses, & becomes the Natural Born Legend Killer. As that won't happen, meh.
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:44 PM
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The story was reported by Matt Boone who was infamous over on prowrestling.com for making up stories.
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post Feb 16 2005, 10:56 PM
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Meh if it happens Taker should squash em. Ive grown quite tired of the face Randy Orton.
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:05 PM
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I'am a big Undertaker fan, and Orton has pretty much bored the shit out of me sence 2002. you pretty much know where I stand. If this match happens, Taker needs to win. I'll never forgive the WWE if Orton is the one to end Taker's WM streak. RANDY ORTON. I mean come on!
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:08 PM
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They've been building the Taker/Kane vs Snitsky/Heidenreich match for months. It wouldn't make any sense to suddenly drop it for a matchup with a month's buildup.
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(Fook @ Feb 16 2005, 10:48 PM)
They've been building the Taker/Kane vs Snitsky/Heidenreich match for months. It wouldn't make any sense to suddenly drop it for a matchup with a month's buildup.

How are they building to it with each man convincingly beating thier hoss counterpart and moving on to other feuds?

What, now that Snitsky and Heidenreich team up they'll be able to do better than getting easily beaten?
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(Just call me Dan @ Feb 16 2005, 11:51 PM)
QUOTE(Fook @ Feb 16 2005, 10:48 PM)
They've been building the Taker/Kane vs Snitsky/Heidenreich match for months.  It wouldn't make any sense to suddenly drop it for a matchup with a month's buildup.

How are they building to it with each man convincingly beating thier hoss counterpart and moving on to other feuds?

What, now that Snitsky and Heidenreich team up they'll be able to do better than getting easily beaten?

Hey, I never said it was a GOOD build.
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:17 PM
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There's no way they can build to any other interpromotional match involving Taker at this point.

And Luther Reigns vs. Taker? Wow. That might even be worse than the Bundy match at XI.

We're getting the monster hoss tag team match of doom at Mania.
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post Feb 16 2005, 11:30 PM
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I think they should have Orton lose to Edge at Mania, switch him to SmackDown and turn him heel again.
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post Feb 17 2005, 12:14 AM
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I've said recently in here and I'll repeat it: the biggest rub that's left in all of WWE is to be the one to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
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post Feb 17 2005, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(Kotzenjunge @ Feb 17 2005, 12:54 AM)
I've said recently in here and I'll repeat it: the biggest rub that's left in all of WWE is to be the one to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

And we don't want it wasted on Orton.
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post Feb 17 2005, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(Kotzenjunge @ Feb 17 2005, 12:54 AM)
I've said recently in here and I'll repeat it: the biggest rub that's left in all of WWE is to be the one to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

Which shouldn't happen anyways. When the time comes for Taker to retire, he should keep his WM streak.
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post Feb 17 2005, 12:33 AM
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So when is Sting going to show up?
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post Feb 17 2005, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(Kotzenjunge @ Feb 16 2005, 11:54 PM)
I've said recently in here and I'll repeat it: the biggest rub that's left in all of WWE is to be the one to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the WWE who you think would really be deserving of it? I've been blindly hoping for Cena vs Taker at WM since Survivor Series. There's quite a lot a history between the two and they're work really great with each other so the match'd be great.

Other than that, though. Who else could really live up to it? Fuck Orton, I got tired of him after he lost the IC title.

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Which shouldn't happen anyways. When the time comes for Taker to retire, he should keep his WM streak.

Why? I'm one of the biggest Taker apologists on this board and I have to say that's just plain dumb. I mean, sure, it may sound cool. Taker retiring with his streak in tact. But, letting someone go over him at WM could make the WWE a huge star. Which do you think is more important?
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post Feb 17 2005, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(tekcop @ Feb 17 2005, 01:41 AM)
Why? I'm one of the biggest Taker apologists on this board and I have to say that's just plain dumb. I mean, sure, it may sound cool. Taker retiring with his streak in tact. But, letting someone go over him at WM could make the WWE a huge star. Which do you think is more important?

How do you know it would? Maybe whom ever ends taker's winning streak will be the hot topic for a couple of month but than it'll probabaly fade away after awhile and the push of this particular superstar will ultimately fail like Ortons. Their are other and less riskier ways to build up a new superstar. they're doing a good job Building up Batista and Cena as WWE's next huge stars right now.

Undertaker doesn't have a whole lot of Championships under his resume, only 4 World Titles in the span of 14 years, Hardcore title, and a couple of tag team titles. and hes never won a King of the Ring or Royal Rumble. With very little Championship wins. His Wrestlemania winning streak is what makes him stand out of any other WWE superstar past or present. Let him keep the streak.
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post Feb 17 2005, 02:04 AM
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QUOTE(Kahran Ramsus @ Feb 17 2005, 01:59 AM)
QUOTE(Kotzenjunge @ Feb 17 2005, 12:54 AM)
I've said recently in here and I'll repeat it: the biggest rub that's left in all of WWE is to be the one to defeat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.

And we don't want it wasted on Orton.

Certainly not.

I honestly can't think of anyone who would really benefit the company as a whole by going over since you bet your ass that whoever takes out the Undertaker at Wrestlemania is someone they're banking on being a massive star eventually. I'd hold off on the streak ending next year with his final match, since there's really no one right now who's in a position for it. Poor Orton (I really feel for the guy after his first run as a main eventer has been a flop) can't do it right now, Cena's not there yet, Jericho could benefit, but he'll be what, 35 by then? It has to be someone younger to really have the full effect, but not so young that it appears they were lucky instead of skilled. This is actually one time that I wish Lesnar was still around. I think he'd be perfect for it.
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post Feb 17 2005, 03:11 AM
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I can think of one way that it would and could happen, and work. Triple H would now refuse to give Orton a title shot, and Orton would counter that he's beaten every legend there is. HHH would the say that he's never beaten Taker; so, if Orton can beat Taker at WM, he'll give him his title shot.

So, Orton goes on, and after wearing himself ragged, finally loses to Taker after a long and well fought match. Meanwhile, HHH loses to Batista, and Pimptista wins the title. Orton thinks he'll never get the title shot, but Batista stands up like a man and gives him his title shot. After a grueling match, Batista wins, but Orton thanks him, and they go on from there.
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post Feb 17 2005, 04:39 AM
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I can think of one way that it would and could happen, and work. Triple H would now refuse to give Orton a title shot, and Orton would counter that he's beaten every legend there is. HHH would the say that he's never beaten Taker; so, if Orton can beat Taker at WM, he'll give him his title shot.

So, Orton goes on, and after wearing himself ragged, finally loses to Taker after a long and well fought match. Meanwhile, HHH loses to Batista, and Pimptista wins the title. Orton thinks he'll never get the title shot, but Batista stands up like a man and gives him his title shot. After a grueling match, Batista wins, but Orton thanks him, and they go on from there.

And have Orton lose another 2 matches? I don't see where that's gonna get him.
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post Feb 17 2005, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE(Lawlerm @ Feb 17 2005, 05:19 AM)
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I can think of one way that it would and could happen, and work. Triple H would now refuse to give Orton a title shot, and Orton would counter that he's beaten every legend there is. HHH would the say that he's never beaten Taker; so, if Orton can beat Taker at WM, he'll give him his title shot.

So, Orton goes on, and after wearing himself ragged, finally loses to Taker after a long and well fought match. Meanwhile, HHH loses to Batista, and Pimptista wins the title. Orton thinks he'll never get the title shot, but Batista stands up like a man and gives him his title shot. After a grueling match, Batista wins, but Orton thanks him, and they go on from there.

And have Orton lose another 2 matches? I don't see where that's gonna get him.

Who said anything about getting Orton over? I just care about Batista at this point. (IMG:http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Feb 17 2005, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(Taker666 @ Feb 17 2005, 12:57 AM)
QUOTE(tekcop @ Feb 17 2005, 01:41 AM)
Why? I'm one of the biggest Taker apologists on this board and I have to say that's just plain dumb. I mean, sure, it may sound cool. Taker retiring with his streak in tact. But, letting someone go over him at WM could make the WWE a huge star. Which do you think is more important?

How do you know it would? Maybe whom ever ends taker's winning streak will be the hot topic for a couple of month but than it'll probabaly fade away after awhile and the push of this particular superstar will ultimately fail like Ortons. Their are other and less riskier ways to build up a new superstar. they're doing a good job Building up Batista and Cena as WWE's next huge stars right now.

Undertaker doesn't have a whole lot of Championships under his resume, only 4 World Titles in the span of 14 years, Hardcore title, and a couple of tag team titles. and hes never won a King of the Ring or Royal Rumble. With very little Championship wins. His Wrestlemania winning streak is what makes him stand out of any other WWE superstar past or present. Let him keep the streak.

I don't believe even the WWE'd let a rub like that be completely lost. Like Kotz said, whoever does end it will definately be someone the WWE's completely banking on. Taker may not have many titles under his belt, but he's booked in such a way that beating him cleanly is as huge as beating the 8/9 time world champion HHH. Beating him at WM and ending his streak would be a monsterously huge moment for anyone.

As for the Cena and Batista comments, well, Batista'll be in the midcard by this time next year and they haven't really done anything special with John Cena. He's just over.
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post Feb 17 2005, 01:28 PM
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- With WWE likely going with an Undertaker vs. Randy Orton match at WrestleMania 21, a slot has opened up for Matt Hardy on the big show. WWE might do a Matt Hardy vs. Kane vs. Gene Snitsky match at 'Mania, with Lita involved somehow. Hardy is on pace to return to the ring in early March. [PWTorch.com]
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post Feb 17 2005, 02:04 PM
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Source: The Torch

Vince McMahon needs help getting in and out of a wheelchair on a daily basis and also needs help getting in and out of bed. This is a real 'down-low' type deal in WWE as nobody wants to be heard talking about the boss behind his back.

Vignettes are already in production right now for Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker for WrestleMania 21.

With the scheduled tag match off at WrestleMania, this could open up a spot for Matt Hardy at WrestleMania, with one person speculating of a three way with Kane, Snitzky, and Hardy with Lita at ringside.
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post Feb 17 2005, 02:27 PM
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I can't see how anyone but the most blinded Undertaker mark can want him to retire with his WM streak intact. The only real rub for anyone in WWE left to give is the one given to whomever it is that ends Undi's WM streak. While there might not be anyone around right now who 'deserves' the rub, or is even in a position where the fans would buy it anyway, the right booking could see someone in the right position this time next year, and when the time comes, they have to pull the trigger.
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post Feb 17 2005, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Dimensions @ Feb 17 2005, 01:44 PM)
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Vignettes are already in production right now for Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker for WrestleMania 21.

If this does actually happen, I'm all for it. I'm actually interested in seeing what Taker could do with Orton in the ring. Randy must lose, of course.
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I can't see how anyone but the most blinded Undertaker mark can want him to retire with his WM streak intact. The only real rub for anyone in WWE left to give is the one given to whomever it is that ends Undi's WM streak. While there might not be anyone around right now who 'deserves' the rub, or is even in a position where the fans would buy it anyway, the right booking could see someone in the right position this time next year, and when the time comes, they have to pull the trigger.

That only true if the Rub Does something....

if Orton doesn't immediately go into World title contention right after it, then all it does is Satisfy the Taker Haters who want to see him fall at WM.

People have become Prime time players without defeating the Undertaker. Plenty of Main eventers came and went during the whole of Taker's stint.

So far this year the Undertaker hasn't done anything to offensive to anyone, so why destroy the one record he got?

So how does Orton take this Leap from getting in some feud with Christian on Raw to Spanning to Smackdown to take on the Undertaker?
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