Caliban 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 WWE has updated it's Key Performance Indicators on it's Corp Biz website, showing the early estimate for Summerslam this year to be 525,000 buys. This is well up from the 425,000 or so of last year, and the final figure is usually higher than the estimate. http://corporate.wwe.com/investors/documen...Drivers_032.pdf Good for WWE, they've had a good year on PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 I guess that depends on how you define "good." They're mostly down from last year, albeit slightly. They put a "dream match" on for Summerslam and it only got them an extra 75K-100K buys. And there's nothing to indicate they have anything good to put on for the rest of the year. If I was an investor, I wouldn't be overly excited. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Let's see how this crappy Unforgiven card draws. If it does, then we'll know Cena is a big draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 I forget but how many buys does it take to get to a 1.0 buyrate? Was it 400,000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 oh I'm quite certain the horrible Unforgiven buyrate will negate the extra buys SSlam got... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 SummerSlam had a good card so I'm glad it succeeded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 I enjoyed Summerslam, after the benoit flash victory and the badly booked Edge/Hardy match, the rest of the card was pretty good...nothing spectacular, not too many sports entertainment moments (well except for Rey/Eddie, but the match was decent), just some well booked stuff...solid card... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carnival 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Prediction for Unforgiven buys - 155,000 buys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mole 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 But do the extra buys for the Hogan/HBK match cover Hogan's contract? I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 It doesn't surprise me that much. They promoted the "dream match" main event very, very well. The brass should be happy since the two title matches buildup were very much lacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mumm Ra Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Hogan is still a massive draw even at his age. I think he should win the title again and job it to Cena at WM21, as rumored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Were you even around when he won the title in 2002? Hogan is a good draw when he comes back for a match or two, but if he stays around too long he kills buyrates and ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Stanley 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Ack, Taker/Hogan Judgement Day 02' was bad. 2002 was just bad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mumm Ra Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Well Hogan 2002 was still a bigger draw than Benoit and Eddie 2004. No Way Out 2002 = 550,000 buys Wrestlemania X-8 = 840,000 buys Backlash 2002 = 350,000 buys Judgement day 2002 = 370,000 buys And probably most of the roster too, although I admit our current champions are drawing well. If Hogan and Cena main event Wrestlemania it could be the highest drawing event in wrestling history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 If Hogan and Cena main event Wrestlemania it could be the highest drawing event in wrestling history. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's a joke....right??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perfxion 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 WMXX damn near 1 million buys, case closed. BTW: what does Eddie and Benoit have to do with Hogan drawing in 2002? Hogan was over in 2002. Hogan wasn't a big draw in 2002. His load was busted in 1 PPV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mumm Ra Report post Posted September 14, 2005 That's a joke....right??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh no. I mean WM21 was second only to WM17 in terms of number of buys. So there's no reason why a WM card with Hogan v Cena couldnt top that, provided we have some other good matches like HBK v Rock. WMXX damn near 1 million buys, case closed. case for what? BTW: what does Eddie and Benoit have to do with Hogan drawing in 2002? Hogan was over in 2002. Hogan wasn't a big draw in 2002. His load was busted in 1 PPV. Summerslam proves the fans still want to see Hulk Hogan. And he's a better option financially than Benoit and Eddie or HBK or HHH or Taker or Angle or pretty much anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 WMXX damn near 1 million buys, case closed. case for what? Case for the fact Benoit and Eddie main evented seperate matches on WMXX, which got a better buyrate than anything in 2002, and Hogan wasn't on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 That's a joke....right??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh no. I mean WM21 was second only to WM17 in terms of number of buys. So there's no reason why a WM card with Hogan v Cena couldnt top that, provided we have some other good matches like HBK v Rock. But see, the thing is, that kinda cancels out your case because there'd HAVE to be another "super match" to convince more people to by it rather than the fact that it has Hogan v. Cena on the card...otherwise, it'll just have a steady buyrate like the rest of the WMs...I bought this year's WM for the solid card and pretty damn good buildup for most of the matches...I didn't but WM18 because it didn't seem very appealing and Rock/Hogan wasn't enough to make me say, hmmm okay I'll get it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mumm Ra Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Case for the fact Benoit and Eddie main evented seperate matches on WMXX, which got a better buyrate than anything in 2002, and Hogan wasn't on it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I feel it was Undertaker that drew most of that buyrate. His match had the most promotion, and most fans wanted to see what the Deadman's return would be like. In fact his match was placed above the WWE title match. Also, Rock and Foley returning to the ring, and Goldberg v Lesnar w/Austin as ref. WMX-8 was a horrible show sold on the back of ONE match (ok Taker and Flair was a good feud too), while WMXX had several interesting matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fishyswa Report post Posted September 14, 2005 They need to cool off on the Hogan vs "new age superstar" crap for a while. To me the appex of that idea was vs Rock, vs HBK kind of worked, and the idea of vs Austin honestly doesn't really sound that exciting. Honestly, Cena's first big time match up as a "name" should be against a heel Rocky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caliban 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Hogan vs Cena wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Nor would it really create a spike in the PPV buys, IMO. (Certainly not like for No Way Out 2003, Rock/Hogan II, 450,000 buys.. compared to 240,000 for previous Feb shows) Nah. Hogan/Austin at WM 22 is the way to go. This, combined with well built matches like we saw at WM 21 will ensure the WWE gets closer to a million buys than WM 19's crappy buyrate (almost the same as Summerslam '05!) Meh. I've been looking at that pdf too long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mumm Ra Report post Posted September 14, 2005 No doubt Hogan v Austin would draw. Austin however would almost certianly refuse, espcially if he had to job. Hogan v Cena is more likley, though not the first choice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Hogan/Cena might actually be worse than Hogan/Austin in terms of quality. Considering Hogan's got a wrecked knee and Austin's got a wrecked neck, that's saying a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 I really don't want to see Austin/Hogan...if it was 98 or 99, yeah, but not at this point... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted September 14, 2005 Anyone who thinks Benoit and Guerrero drew the Mania 20 buyrate is nuts. The big draws on the show were Goldberg vs Lesnar with Austin as ref, Rock and Sock vs Evolution, and the return of Taker, plus most importantly the name WM XX and the one year build. Eddie vs Angle was in reality 5th from the top in importance and Benoit vs HHH vs HBK was third from the top in importance. The name, Rock, Foley, Taker, Austin, Lesnar, and Goldberg drew the money, which is why business fell afterword because they all left except Taker. As opposed to Mania this year which drew solely on the strength of HHH vs Batista. Hogan, draw. Eddie and Benoit, sadly not draws. It is really simple people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 I think it's inaccurate to say WM21 drew based on HHH/Batista alone...the buildup to every single match on that card was fantastic and made folks really want to see this thing from top to bottom...I wanted to see HBK/Angle and truely wanted to see if Orton would be the one to end UT's streak...the MITB match intrigued me more than HHH/Batista because we knew what the outcome of the title match would be...hell that match was more predictable than Cena's win... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted September 14, 2005 What I'm saying is to the masses, basically the difference between doing a guaranteed 600, 000 buys for Mania or doing a huge 1,000,000, HHH vs Batista was the main event and what everybody wanted to see. They drew the number. I personally wanted to see HBK vs Angle and the other stuff as well but I was probably buying the show either way. When you do 1,000,000, all the hardcores are already ordering it and the extra buys are from the casuals that wanted to see Batista's chase end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 See, I don't know...again I just think the show was so well hyped and so well built and featured a pretty damn good card from top to bottom that the entire show itself was the draw...perhaps I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be able to sleep well at night knowing that 1,000,000 people bought this show based on HHH/Batista alone... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golgo 13 0 Report post Posted September 14, 2005 what does Eddie and Benoit have to do with Hogan drawing in 2002? Nothing. At all. It's a complete straw man. Anyway, can we not compare two different time periods to each other? It's stupid and ridiculous considering how quickly the wrestling landscape can change. It's worthless considering the two year difference in the product. In 2002, Austin and Rock were still active, the rosters weren't yet split completely, and Triple H didn't have a stranglehold on the title yet. Benoit & Eddie's time came after an awful latter 2002 and 2003, Austin and Rock no longer had active roles, Triple H was tiresome yet was all over the shows, and as far as Benoit goes, his reign was booked horribly and he was treated as a complete afterthought or second fiddle to you know wHHHo. Instead of looking at that, look at Hulk's ratings and buyrates before, during and after his time. Before Backlash, dating back to Feb. he was a featured player on the shows. At Backlash, Apr. 21st, he won the title, later dropping it to UT at Judgement Day, May 19th. Judgment Day got a big buyrate, but Triple H v. Hogan at Backlash tanked. During Hogan's reign, Raw dropped to 3.7 just before Judgment Day and never really recovered, due in part to the awful booking for the rest of the year, while SD got the 2nd lowest non-holiday rating of the year and also never recovered. People came for the nWo but didn't stay, because Hogan got tiresome and had no business being around the title, despite his pops. Royal Rumble 2002 1.60 No Way Out 2002 - 1.33 Wrestlemania 2002 - 1.60 Backlash 2002 - 0.80 Judgement Day 2002 - 0.94 King of the Ring 2002 0.82 Vengeance 2002 - 0.94 SummerSlam 2002 - 1.32 Unforgiven 2002 - 0.75 No Mercy 2002 - 0.77 Survivor Series 2002 - 0.86 Armageddon 2002 - 0.87 RAW January 7, 2002 4.9 January 14, 2002 4.4 January 21, 2002 4.6 January 28, 2002 4.5 February 4, 2002 4.5 February 11, 2002 4.4 February 18, 2002 4.7 February 25, 2002 4.7 March 4, 2002 4.5 March 11, 2002 4.5 March 18, 2002 5.3 March 25, 2002 5.4 April 1, 2002 4.8 April 8, 2002 4.8 April 15, 2002 4.8 April 22, 2002 4.8 April 29, 2002 4.4 May 6, 2002 4.6 May 13, 2002 3.9 May 20, 2002 3.7 May 27, 2002 3.7 June 3, 2002 4.1 June 10, 2002 4.2 June 17, 2002 3.9 June 24, 2002 3.7 July 1, 2002 3. 6 July 8, 2002 3.7 July 15, 2002 3.8 July 22, 2002 4.3 July 29, 2002 3.7 SD January 3, 2002 3.8 January 10, 2002 4.0 January 17, 2002 4.0 January 24, 2002 4.2 January 31, 2002 3.9 February 7, 2002 4.1 February 14, 2002 3.9 February 21, 2002 4.5 February 28, 2002 3.8 March 7, 2002 3.4 March 14, 2002 4.0 March 21, 2002 4.3 March 28, 2002 3.7 April 4, 2002 4.1 April 11, 2002 3.5 April 18, 2002 3.8 April 25, 2002 3.4 May 2, 2002 2.9 May 9, 2002 3.6 May 16, 2002 3.6 May 23, 2002 3.6 May 30, 2002 3.3 June 6, 2002 3.3 June 13, 2002 3.6 June 20, 2002 3.1 June 27, 2002 3.3 July 4, 2002 2.0 July 11, 2002 3.3 July 18, 2002 3.4 July 25, 2002 3.3 August 1, 2002 3.1 August 8, 2002 2.7 August 15, 2002 3.5 August 22, 2002 3.6 August 29, 2002 3.1 September 5, 2002 3.2 September 12, 2002 3.7 September 19, 2002 3.5 September 26, 2002 3.6 October 3, 2002 3.6 October 10, 2002 3.6 October 17, 2002 3.4 October 24, 2002 3.7 October 31, 2002 3.3 November 7, 2002 3.6 November 14, 2002 3.6 November 21, 2002 3.5 November 28, 2002 2.7 December 5, 2002 3.4 December 12, 2002 3.2 December 19, 2002 3.3 December 26, 2002 3.4 The big draws on the show were Goldberg vs Lesnar with Austin as ref, Rock and Sock vs Evolution, and the return of Taker, plus most importantly the name WM XX and the one year build. Goldberg/Austin/Lesnar, sure, but in no way was Benoit/Triple H/Michaels a runner-up to the other matches. Goldberg v. Lesnar and Triple Threat were probably on par with each other, with Taker v. Kane and Rock & Sock v. Evolution bringing up the rear, with Angle v. Eddie just behind that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
