The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 7 2005, 10:26 PM
I have read many times that the WWE had inflated the 93,173 fan figure at Wrestlemania 3. Supposedly, the figure was actually 78,000. The following is taken from the Pontiac Silverdome Website:
The two highest attended events at the Silverdome were in 1987 when 93,682 people visited the stadium to hear Pope John Paul II conduct mass and 93,173 fans packed the stadium for Wrestlemania III in 1987.
My question is this: If the WWE figure is inflated, is the Pope's figure inflated as well? Secondly, has there ever been any proof as to the "inflation"? Personally, I don't buy it. If the stadium's own web site lists the attendence, I can't see it being inflated..
Also, check out the pics posted on the site:
The pope:

Wrestlemania 3:

I find it hard to believe that one is less full than the other by 15,000 fans..obviously, the pics are at totally different angles, but it's pretty obvious that both events were jammed packed, both in the balaconies and on the floor.
Is the whole inflation myth an attempt to discredit Vince? How do the people that believe that the 93,000 figure was a work account for the statement on the silverdome website??
comments anyone?
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 7 2005, 10:32 PM
The real number came from the promoter of the event, the late Zane Bresloff. The 93,173 number is pure myth, whose history has been gone into many times before.
Nighthawk
Feb 7 2005, 10:34 PM
Apparently he wants you to go into it again. Seemed that was the point.
cawthon777
Feb 7 2005, 10:37 PM
From my understanding, Vince wanted to outdraw the Pope and set the indoor atendance record, legitimately or otherwise.
Hass of Pain
Feb 7 2005, 10:38 PM
There's no conclusive proof either way, it's one man's word versus another more or less. I wouldn't be shocked at all if the event did draw 93,000 considering the business it did on pay-per-view and closed circuit broadcasts, but I wouldn't be suprised if WWE inflated the number either.
Without actually being there or working at the arena yourself, I don't know how anyone can just take the attendance conspiracy theory as fact. It's he said she said.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 7 2005, 10:38 PM
Was the Pope's attendence a myth too? I can't see how (based on the pics) if the pope drew 93000, Wrestlemania 3 did not.. Does anyone have a link documenting the history of the inflated figure? Or a link to a thread discussing it?
Thanks
LooneyTune
Feb 7 2005, 10:39 PM
Inflated or not, every seat in the Silverdome was filled, so it's still impressive. The picture for the Pope is pretty bad though, as it's kinda hard to compare when the angle is so low.
cawthon777
Feb 7 2005, 10:40 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Silverdome itself inflated the Pope's crowd to be bigger than the recorded number for WrestleMania.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 7 2005, 10:44 PM
Here is a thread that, after a couple of posts, talks in detail the 93,173 myth from Wrestling Classics:
93,173 mythIf you still want to believe the myth, then more power to you. It's still just a myth.
Jingus
Feb 7 2005, 10:44 PM
Meltzer has always maintained that the Silverdome simply can't fit 93,000 people inside it. Having not been there and counted the chairs myself, I'm not certain which version to believe. But Vince coming out during Wrestlemania III and announcing the attendance figures was kinda suspicious, there's no way in hell they counted all the ticket sales that fast.
strummer
Feb 7 2005, 10:48 PM
Meltzer has stated in the past that if the Silverdome could have fit 93,173, Hogan and Andre would have done that number. The number is a work. Vince told Meltzer that he worked the number because everything on TV was "in storyline" even the attendance numbers
fanofcoils
Feb 7 2005, 10:58 PM
If the real figure was 78,000 then Summerslam 92 has it beat.
DMann2003
Feb 7 2005, 11:49 PM
Myth figure or not, that's still one big ass crowd
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 7 2005, 11:57 PM
Okay, if Meltzer maintains that the silverdome simply can't fit 93,000 people, how does he (or those that believe him) account for the figures given on the Silverdome Website?? They state normal seating is a little over 80,000 for all events ( I assume this does not include any floor seating?). Can anyone answer this?
see:www.silverdome.com
I also recall reading in a Guiness book of records from the 80's about the indoor attendence record. I'll see if I can find a source verifying that. If Guiness recognized the figure, I find it hard to believe that it could be a "work".
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 12:12 AM
Okay, I've found many sites claiming that it was listed in the Guinness Book, but I can't find any site listing previous Guiness Records to verify..
That thread discussing the myth doesn't do much good because the people that believe the myth ignore the statements on the silverdome website!! How does that make their case any better?
This seems like a big urban legend that the figure was inflated.. There are credible sources (e.g the actual stadium website) that state that it is true, yet Meltzer must be right (say the believers..)
What would Meltzer say about the Pope's attendence figure?? That must be wrong as well????? That seems pretty far fetched..wouldn't you agree?
sek69
Feb 8 2005, 12:13 AM
I think the 93,000 is a work but the real total had to be more than 73k, that was about the capacity of the Silverdome for football and there was at least 5-10,000 steats on the floor.
LessonInMachismo
Feb 8 2005, 02:44 AM
Okay, this is what the WWE-produced -- and therefore biased -- book Wrestlemania: The Official Insider's Story says:
"Tickets went on sale February 14. By March 2 we had sold 50,000 seats. By March 11 we had sold 74,000. And when we went to out production meeting on March 24, we had 90,000 tickets sold! At that point we cut of sales, because there was concern that we might oversell the buidling. By the time the final numbers came in from our remote outlets, the figure was 93, 173. We had done the impossible: we had sold enough tickets to guarantee the largest indoor crowd in history. Bigger than the Rolling Stones concert at the Silverdome. Bigger, even, than the Pope's appearance at the Silverdome several months later, which would draw 88,000. In fairness, it should be pointed out that for the Pope, they probably had to put in kneelers, which do take up a lot of space. Nevertheless, we outsold the Pope. That was nothing short of amazing."
Now, I know Meltzer is also biased in his opinion of Vince, but come on, this is VINCENT K. MCMAHON we're talking about. I am more inclined to believe Meltzer on this issue, and there are too many inconsistencies involved to believe WWF/E.
Vern Gagne
Feb 8 2005, 03:09 AM
I'm just picturing Vince yelling at some lackey. Add more seats..add more seat damn it. We're gonna kick the Popes Ass.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 10:53 AM
QUOTE(The Mandingo Warrior @ Feb 8 2005, 12:37 AM)
If Guiness recognized the figure, I find it hard to believe that it could be a "work".
Guiness also list the wrestler Happy Humphry as being the heaviest wrestler ever, at 802lbs. That number is a work too.
When any article or press work is done on wrestling, it rarely does it's homework.
When Playboy did a piece on wrestling in the Sable/Chyna issue, they said that wrestling was generating a $1billion a year. That too was a work.
When WWF was hot in the 80's, financial publications like the Wall Street Journal said how it was making $500m a year. That too was a work.
When Hogan would do press interviews in that time period, he'd go on about WWF generating $1.7b a year, and how their merchandising was doing better than Disney. How many of the papers printing that do you think bothered to point out that those numbers were works ?
And if you had properly read the thread I linked to, you'd see some discussion about why the Silverdome webiste maintained the myth. They bought the work, as you have, and it's not going to make them look good if they have to come out and say they got worked by Vince McMahon, hence they go along with it.
The 93.173 number is total fiction, and that comes straight from the promoter of the event. He has no reason to lie. The fiction comes straight from Vince, and he
does have reason to lie.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 11:52 AM
Here is an NFL site stating that the seating is a little over 80,000:
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/past/Silverdome.htmLook, I find this debate interesting because I really can't see how it can be argued, given that
every source in the world lists the stadium seating at over 80,000 (without floor seating).
My question is very simple: The silverdome website lists the seating at 80, 325. Are people that believe that the WWE figure is fiction (that it was actually 78,000) denying this fact??
Are they honestly denying that the silverdome has 80,000 seats?? Isn't that a bit like denying that 2+2 = 4, because someone said so?
I just don't understand how this can be argued.. If people back up their info with credible sources (not hearsay) isn't that good enough?
cawthon777
Feb 8 2005, 12:14 PM
I would say that the promoter would be the most credible source as to how many were there.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 12:31 PM
QUOTE(cawthon777 @ Feb 8 2005, 12:54 PM)
I would say that the promoter would be the most credible source as to how many were there.
Except to people who want to keep beleving the myth to be fact.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 12:40 PM
Okay, lets say that the promoter was correct. Then that begs the question: are there really 80,000 seats in the silverdome (without floor seating)? Or has the 80,00 figure been nothing but propaganda put out by the builders of the stadium for the last 18 years?
I guess the whole debate rests on the accuracy of the 80, 325 seat statistic..
I guess no one has ever counted all the seats in the silverdome?? Obviously, not a job I would like to take
cawthon777
Feb 8 2005, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(fanofcoils @ Feb 8 2005, 12:38 AM)
If the real figure was 78,000 then Summerslam 92 has it beat.
Well, only if you buy the 80,000+ figure as legit.
Meltzer has it down as a 75,000 sell out.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 04:32 PM
Could someone fill me in as to why Meltzer's authority is more credible than the builders/owners of these stadiums?? Why is his opinion valid, and the figures given by the stadiums themselves invalid?? Thanks.
strummer
Feb 8 2005, 04:36 PM
Did Vince and Zane Bresloff have a falling out over this? I pretty sure Zane helped out Vince with the Rock N' Wrestling Boom in the 80s.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(The Mandingo Warrior @ Feb 8 2005, 05:12 PM)
Could someone fill me in as to why Meltzer's authority is more credible than the builders/owners of these stadiums?? Why is his opinion valid, and the figures given by the stadiums themselves invalid?? Thanks.
Meltzer has no reason to lie. If he says the number is really high or really low, it doesn't reflect on him either way. If Meltzer does lie, he comes off looking bad, so he has to tell the truth.
If the owners of the building know the number is low, they're highly unlikely to say so, because it will reflect badly on them. It's not a question of one sides opinion being more valid than the other. It's simply that, realistically, when you've got two sides giving two different numbers, chances are the side with no reason to lie is telling the truth.
Look, the bottom line is that the promoter of the event himself said the real number was 78,000. And he
does have reason to inflate the number, because it will make him look good. Yet he didn't. Why ? Because he wanted to tell the truth. If he wanted to lie, he would have.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 04:51 PM
Okay, so are the current owners of the silverdome lying about seating 80,625 on their website to look good?? I'm not sure if one side is lying or not, but the fact is that the silverdome has a finite number of seats when you do not include the floor. Surely whatever this number might be must be recorded (accurately) somewhere. I'm just saying that it is more likely that the number given on the current silverdome website is correct rather than a number given in a statement given 17 years ago. Surely most would agree on this point.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 04:54 PM
Chances are the seats listed for the Silverdome today aren't the same number of seats that were available back in 1987. Stadium seating changes every so often, so it's likely that the number of seats there has changed a little over the years.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 05:07 PM
QUOTE
Chances are the seats listed for the Silverdome today aren't the same number of seats that were available back in 1987. Stadium seating changes every so often, so it's likely that the number of seats there has changed a little over the years.
But if the 80,000 figure (not including the floor) is true today, and the 78,000 figure (including the floor) from 1987 is true, wouldn't that mean they would have had to add about 8-10 thousand seats?? That seems a bit much to believe just to validate a low figure from 1987 don't you think?
The 78,000 myth is just getting more and more unlikely..At what point do you say that it really was 93,000? It seems like in order to believe the 78,000 figure, you have to accept a lot of unlikely stuff....
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 05:11 PM
QUOTE(The Mandingo Warrior @ Feb 8 2005, 05:47 PM)
It seems like in order to believe the 78,000 figure, you have to accept a lot of unlikely stuff....
Like the promoter telling the truth.
As I pointed out earlier, why would the promoter downplay the success of his own event ? Why would he not go along with the mythical number ? His place in history would be assured by doing so. He'd be part of official history. But he didn't. Why ?
What reason does he have, apart from just wanting to be honest with people, to go with the lower number, when going with the mythical number, with 'official history' backing him up, would assure him a place in history ?
landy1987
Feb 8 2005, 05:22 PM
Firstly, I'm not sure if the 93,000+ figure is correct or not, but I know on WWF TV shows throughout February and March 1987 they always said there would be 90,000+ fans at the arena (I'm sure they sometimes said 93,000+ as well) and so if they did jump the figure up a bit higher they had to use that amount as they had already gone out and said on TV the attendance figures which were expected. Before WrestleMania 8 however in 1992, on WWF TV before the show they said they were expecting over 70,000 people in attendance, and they never increased that actual figure from the 61,000 or whatever that was
Quote from Meltzer's Wrestling Observer Newsletter - April 13, 1987:
"Overall, the actual paid attendance at the Silverdome was reported to me as 90,873 which has to be an all-time record for pro wrestling anywhere in the world. The old record for North America was the 69,300 who paid to see the August 28, 1986 Toronto Exhibition Stadium card headlined by Hulk Hogan vs. Paul Orndorff. The live gate at the Silverdome of $1,599,000 also shattered the existing record of $837,000 (when translated into U.S. funds) for the Antonio Inoki vs. Leon Spinks and Akira Maeda vs. Don Nakaya Neilsen matches on October 9, 1986 at the Sumo Hall in Tokyo. The 163 closed-circuit sites produced approximately $5,170,000 in U.S. funds with an estimated audience at those sites of about 460,000 fans-- both of which are also all-time records for pro wrestling."
I'm guessing Meltzer corrected himself at some point later then?
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 05:24 PM
QUOTE(landy1987 @ Feb 8 2005, 06:02 PM)
I'm guessing Meltzer corrected himself at some point later then?
Yes, when the promoter of the event gave him the real number. In fact, I think Dave even mentioned that Bresloff showed him the paperwork to prove it.
gilpdawg
Feb 8 2005, 05:28 PM
I always thought that the 78k figure was Paid attendance and there was actually 90k in the building, but it was freebies and stuff.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 05:54 PM
QUOTE
As I pointed out earlier, why would the promoter downplay the success of his own event ? Why would he not go along with the mythical number ? His place in history would be assured by doing so. He'd be part of official history. But he didn't. Why ?
Perhaps he was telling what he thought was the truth at the time? This number may have been wrong, but he quoted the number that was thought to be correct at the time, regardless of whether it "fit" with a storyline or not. That does not mean that it was the actual correct number, as the builders/owners of the stadium today verify that the stadium holds 80,000 not including the floor.
Do you
really believe that the silverdome added 10,000 seats or so between 1987 and today? (this is what would have to occur for the 78,000(including floor) figure to be true then, and the 80,000 (not including floor) figure to be true now?
Some Guy
Feb 8 2005, 07:17 PM
Does it really matter anymore? It was 18 years ago, I think it's time to move on.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 8 2005, 07:24 PM
QUOTE
That's an excellent question. At times I use to believe it was 93,173 and now I believe it's less. First of all, here is what it says on Silverdome.com (The Pontiac Silverdome's official website):
The two highest attended events at the Silverdome were in 1987 when 93,682 people visited the stadium to hear Pope John Paul II conduct mass and 93,173 fans packed the stadium for Wrestlemania III in 1987.
Football, Soccer, Supercross, Monster Jams: 80,325
Political Rallies, Religious Crusades: 90,000
Concerts: 22,000 to 55,000
Some sources have said that this isn't the legit attendance for WM III. It was 78,000, some say under 80,000, but around that. Here is a picture if the WM III attendance "record"
http://www.silverdome.com/wwf.JPG. Now I look at that, and look at the legit SummerSlam 1992 attendance which was 82,000 fans in Wembley Stadium, and I rarely see any difference.
Here is a detailed answer written by WV's co-webmaster Ryan Droste:
OK....this has been debated for so many years, but the number is definitely 78,000. I think Dave Meltzer was the first one to call this to peoples attention. Here's the facts as to why it was 78,000 (I'm writing this with Meltzer as a source). First of all you have to understand that the WWF back in those days routinely lied about attendance numbers on TV to make them bigger than they were. Zane Bresloff was the man whom promoted WrestleMania III for McMahon in Michigan. He and Dave Meltzer had a conversation on the phone years later about WrestleMania III. Bresloff was quoted as saying something to the effect of that the WWF has been quoting that 93,000 attendance number for so long, he thought they were starting to believe it themselves. Meltzer asked him whether or not 93,000 was the real attendance figure, and Bresloff said no.
He later sent Meltzer a fax of the official statement from the building from back in 1987. This gave the attendance as being just over 78,000 with 2,3000 comps. Meltzer had never even questioned the 93,000 number before, and the actual gate (money made from ticket sales) was the same on the fax as the number given to Meltzer by the WWF back in 1987 when he didn't even question the 93,000. Meltzer also was doing an article on WWE history where he had to research attendance, and officials let him go through records of all of their major shows (all the stadium WrestleManias, SummerSlam '92, etc.) In almost all the cases, the attendance numbers he found on the official records were different from the announced attendance figure on TV. They recently started announcing figures that weren't as inflated and pretty much accurate, starting with their big Royal Rumble at the Alamodome in 1997. Meltzer asked Vince McMahon himself why they used to inflate the numbers, because the shows were sold out themselves and the real number was impressive enough. Why add a few thousand? Vince was quoted as saying what appears on television people should consider for entertainment purposes. This actually isn't exclusive to WWE, as other forms of sports and entertainment often lie about the actual attendance to make it sound impressive. Such companies I could name as examples would be Pride and K-1. So in conclusion, the reason the WWE gave this inflated 93,000 attendance number was because they wanted to proclaim and all time indoor attendance record, and they had to beat an attedance number done by the Pope, while at the same time having an attendance figure that nobody would ever beat.
Taken from:
http://www.wrestleview.com/info/faq/wwe.shtmlI've boldened and enlarged the relevant part. Even the building officially stated at the time what the real number was.
QUOTE
Does it really matter anymore? It was 18 years ago, I think it's time to move on.
As soon as people accept the myth as being a myth, I'd be content to never talk about this again.
HartFan86
Feb 8 2005, 10:34 PM
Why doesn't someone just get a pot of coffee going, take that picture, and count every single person there.
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 8 2005, 11:49 PM
But the problem is Meltzer's story about the fax (and the figure on it) (if true) CANNOT be correct given the current stadium seating. The current number of seats according to the Silverdome website is 80,325. Now I ask a very simple question that I would like to see someone attempt to give a logical answer to:
Which is more likely to be true:
A) That the 78,000 figure given on the fax back in 1987 was actually incorrect due to error
or
B) it was correct and the silverdome has added 8-10,000 seats since then, bringing the total seats (minus the floor) to 80,325.
This doesn't seem tough folks..
And I might add that no one has addressed all the other attendences for the stadium (that all must therefore be wrong too????) I'm sorry, but it's one thing for the WWE number to be inflated..but to insist that other events (eg. the Pope) must also be inflated to coroborate the WWE story is pulling for straws if you ask me..
LessonInMachismo
Feb 9 2005, 03:07 AM
If you will read the last post I made in this thread with the quote from the biased WWF book, you will see that when the book was published (2001) they claimed the Pope drew 88,000. Now the Dome's site claim's the Pope did more than WM3. In the final analysis, I think it can be reasoned that the arena felt guilty for propagating the myth of 93,000 over the Pope's 88,000, so they raised his to beat WWF. This way, they don't look like liars for changing 93,000+ to 78,000, but still let El Papa beat WWF. Make sense? I think so.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 9 2005, 05:08 AM
I asked Dave about the WM 3, specifically what exactly Zane Bresloff sent to him to confirm the 78,000 number, and this is what Dave said:
"He sent me the building settlement. Ed Cohen of WWF confirmed it. Vince
McMahon told me when they announce numbers like that on television it's
because they are "for entertainment purposes only." "The numbers we give
you are real." I'm not saying I believe him, but that's what he said.
If it was wrong, 5 years ago someone in the company would have called me
the first time I printed it to tell me it was wrong. They were not shy
of calling for any mistakes, no matter how minor, in the Observer."
So, not only do you have the building backing the 78,000 number, not only do you have the promoter of the event itself backing the 78,000 number, you actually have someone from the WWF backing the number. That's three people or companies who were behind the event backing up the real number.
What more do you want to finally accept the fact that the 93,173 number is pure myth ?
Nighthawk
Feb 9 2005, 01:00 PM
I think the real question is whether or not the building actually holds 80,000.
Steve J. Rogers
Feb 9 2005, 08:45 PM
QUOTE(St. IDrinkRatsMilk @ Feb 9 2005, 06:40 PM)
I think the real question is whether or not the building actually holds 80,000.
We'll find out a year from now...
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 9 2005, 09:37 PM
QUOTE
I think the real question is whether or not the building actually holds 80,000.
That's right! If the current website is correct, than the building holds 80,325 not including the floor..
So IF this is correct, there is NO WAY that the 78,000 figure (including the floor) can
possibly be correct NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS!!
That is why I asked the question about adding 10,000 seats that no one could answer.
The bottom line is:
If the building actually holds 80,325, then the Melzter/promoter etc. number CANNOT POSSIBLY be correct!! *(unless they have added 8-10,000 seats which is retarded)
Is this difficult to understand? I don't think so..
Jingus
Feb 9 2005, 11:33 PM
That is a logical empass.
Occhiam's Razor: someone fucked up while typing out the official Silverdome website and put the "with seats" total where the "without seats" total should've gone.
Hunter's Torn Quad
Feb 10 2005, 09:52 AM
QUOTE(The Mandingo Warrior @ Feb 9 2005, 10:17 PM)
QUOTE
I think the real question is whether or not the building actually holds 80,000.
That's right! If the current website is correct, than the building holds 80,325 not including the floor..
So IF this is correct, there is NO WAY that the 78,000 figure (including the floor) can
possibly be correct NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS!!
That is why I asked the question about adding 10,000 seats that no one could answer.
The bottom line is:
If the building actually holds 80,325, then the Melzter/promoter etc. number CANNOT POSSIBLY be correct!! *(unless they have added 8-10,000 seats which is retarded)
Is this difficult to understand? I don't think so..
So, in order for your theory to be right, then:
The Silverdome got it wrong
The
promoter of the event itself got it wrong
The head of the company running the event got it wrong (and the last two would know more than anyone how many fans they could get in)
The main promoter of the company running the event got it wrong
Seriously, what are the chances of all four of these people/groups getting it wrong, and, at the same time, coming to exact same conclusion ?
One other point that you’ve not mentioned is that, Zane Bresloff aside, everyone else who had to have been mistaken to make your theory right has always publicly gone with the mythical number. So, assuming that you were correct, and that everyone had got it wrong, what is their reason for going with one number privately, and another number publicly ? Not only that, whenever Vince, Zane, Cohen, etc have told someone what the real number was, they’ve never gone back to them and corrected them, and said it was actually the mythical 93,173 number. It’s always been consistent; they’ve gone with the fake number in public, and they’ve gone with the real number in private. What reason do they have to do that, other than to maintain the illusion of the 93,173 number ?
The Mandingo Warrior
Feb 10 2005, 10:21 AM
QUOTE
The Silverdome got it wrong
The promoter of the event itself got it wrong
The head of the company running the event got it wrong (and the last two would know more than anyone how many fans they could get in)
The main promoter of the company running the event got it wrong
All it takes is for ONE person to get it wrong, and give the info to the others, and then they ALL have it wrong. This is how bad info propagates..
This debate could go on forever, because none of us are actually going to go out and count all the seats...
However, there have been other sporting events (eg. superbowl) that have attendence figures that would indicate that the stadium holds around 80,000 people without the floor.
All the other bullshit aside, this is the central issue: No matter who says what, the final peice of the puzzle is this question:
Are there ACTUALLY 80,000 seats in the silverdome? (and I also don't buy that they could have added 10,000 seats in the last 17 years either..)
All the other bullshit in this debate really is totally irrelevant..
But given this central question, don't you think that the " inflation myth" is not quite as set in stone as people might like you to belive?. I don't really care whether there were 93,000 people at wrestlemania 3. But if the stadium holds 80,000 (minus the floor) then there had to be more than 78,000 in the place. This is undeniable.
I know Meltzer is looked upon as God by the internet wrestling community..but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is always correct..I'm not saying that I am right, but think that this debate has proven that if you think critically about the numbers, this myth is not quite as cut and dry as one might think..
I don't think we will get any further than this unless we hire someone to go out and count seats!!
LessonInMachismo
Feb 11 2005, 01:43 PM
<<I asked Dave about the WM 3, specifically what exactly Zane Bresloff sent to him to confirm the 78,000 number, and this is what Dave said:>>
I, too, wrote Dave an e-mail on the subject. I haven't gotten a reply from him to any e-mails or credit for the news bits I send him since I called him out on Crash Holly not being in Tributes II when he went on a tirade about Crash's death not being acknowledged on WWE TV. Well, the publisher liked my "review" on Amazon.com and sent me a free copy of the book. I guess that balances it out.
It should be added that while, no, Dave is NOT god, it is undeniable that "he got da inside info, yo!"
Zorin Industries
Feb 11 2005, 02:11 PM
The WWE should hire the Pope, he's obviously a draw
Jericholic82
Feb 11 2005, 03:19 PM
yea but wm 3 was far more exciting than watching the pope do whatever
speaking of which what did the pope do? talk for an hour?
At the risk of sounding sacreligious, I would rather have seen wm 3 live than the pope
I guess we will never know the tru number, but man that crowd was jammedpacked
wm 17 in the astrodome was quite impressive looking too
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