Guest gwf0704 Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Just thought I would comment on Undertaker's title reign and surprisingly I am actually enjoying it. It seems like he has stepped up after Austin left and said, let me carry the burden for awhile, as he is obviously wrestling with aches and pains, but still appears at both Raw and Smackdown (except this monday night) and has been entertaining for the most part. His match with Hardy was good as I had never seen UT take that many bumps by someone not called Kane or Mankind and his match with Angle and HHH were also watchable. The only thing is that I dont want UT to turn face as I think his current loner attitude fits well. He is technically a heel but still gets pops and I think he should stay that way, not giving a damn if anyone likes him and taking on all comers. WWE was floating an idea of having Angle be an old time champ by wrestling both heels and faces, but to me UT seems to be the most logical choice for that angle, as his matches with Hardy on Raw and then Angle on Smackdown prove. As I said in another thread, UT should be defending the title on Raw and Smackdown against the other champions (Intercontinental/Hardcore/Light-Heavyweight/European) as he would be facing different styles, sizes and heels/faces. It would also give meaning to the other titles showing that if you are the best in that division you will be rewarded with a shot. I think UT v RVD/Bradshaw/Knoble/Hardy would be cool to watch as well as when former champs Booker T/Bubba Ray/Hurricane/Regal had them. It would give it a kind of territorial look like Flair used to deal with when he was NWA champ and had to travel to fight Florida/Texas/Carolina/Georgia champs. Tell me some of you smarks would not love to have seen Guerrero v UT when he was Inter...champ or if Benoit gets a title him getting his shot at UT. Keep UT defending against ME at PPV's like Angle, Rock, HHH and Jericho. Sorry for the ramble but just though I would throw some stuff out there.....
Guest Shaved Bear Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Undertaker vs Noble...I don't know
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 At least Taker isn't a "lame duck" champ. That stems from his rep as a bad-ass. When you have a cowardly heel like Jericho or Angle holding the title, the fans expect them to lose it at any time. When Taker has the belt, his challengers are the underdogs, not him.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 I think Taker should carry the belt through the PPV and up till Summerslam. A)It gives the title importance. 'Oooh, Rock and Angle couldn't win it' B)Taker vs. Lesnar. HORRIBLE match but symbolic for many-a-reason. Why I can't hate Taker: - For the most part, it looks like he is actually trying in the ring and his trying can sometimes lead up to speedy rope running. - He has been round' nearly as long as I have been a fan, like him or not, there is still that connection. Like War buddies, ya know? - He has VERY underrated facial expressions. - He likes MMA.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 This is the first SummerSlam in a long time where we don't have a definite idea of where the WWE is going. Even in 1999, when they were trying to mix up the main event every week, we knew that there was no way it was going to wind up being Austin vs. Chyna.
Guest the 1inch punch Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 , we knew that there was no way it was going to wind up being Austin vs. Chyna. And let us all thank God that it wasnt GOD BLESS RUSSO
Guest BionicRedneck Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 "match with Angle and HHH were also watchable." I have to ask:which match with HHH did you find watchable?? The KOTR Main Event was 23:44 of pure shit! "I think UT v RVD/Bradshaw/Knoble/Hardy would be cool..." Bradshaw Vs Taker would be "cool". Not sure i agree on that. Other than that i think you guys are right. Taker puts effort in the ring. As much as i would like Angle to be champ, i think they should keep it on Taker for a bit more just to keep the title credible.
Guest Razor Roman Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Bradshaw Vs Taker would be "cool". Not sure i agree on that. If the two big texas Hosses stepped it up, it could be a good "power" match. I could hear Gorilla Monsoon "The irresistable force just hit the immovable object...."
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Bradshaw was really hustling in the ring last summer, but ever since the APA split he's gotten LA-A-ZY.
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 As much as I hate to say it, I do think that Taker should retain at Vengeance. Lesnar should go over RVD for the IC title, and then in a non-title match, RVD defeats Lesnar to win the Summerslam title shot. Until Summerslam, Taker will defeat Angle & Rock in a 3 way match at Vengeance. To put over cruiserweights and newcomers, he can have some oh-so-close matches where you actually think the challenger might win. These matches would be against the likes of Booker T, Hurricane Helms, Billy Kidman, and John Cena. Also have him defend against Bradshaw, Bubba Ray Dudley, and maybe even Ric Flair again. Make him seem unstoppable until Summerslam. The result of the Summerslam RVD/Taker match would be RVD winning and Taker going back to a more midcard role of a badass face.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 I am really leaning towards the WWE making Summerslam RVD/Taker with RVD going over. They really would have had somewhat "lameduck" shows leading up until Summerslam had BPS's brilliant plan worked out exactly like he thought: RVD over Lesnar, KOTR winner. RVD/Taker. Having Brock go over helped Brock more, pissed us off and kept us watching to see how the WWE would reverse an undoubtedly bad Taker/Brock Summerslam ME. Having Brock go over RVD AGAIN for the IC belt at this PPV, and promoting the rematch on Raw for the shot at SS would allow RVD to win and go to Summerslam, and it would keep Brock high up because he has 2 straight PPV victories and the IC title. *Of course the Raw Main event should be non-title BUT for the shot since Brock got the IC shot w/o putting his SS shot on the line* RVD/UT is the way to go and will help the WWE in the long run. I think they can see that. Brock IS NOT over but has much potential. IC division is keen for him. I have high hopes here but I really think this has a decent shot of happening.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Taker's title reign has sucked and the American Badass Era has pretty much sucked too. It was only good during the first month or two and it got pretty boring and stale after that. His promos are mind-numbingly boring and they don't lead to much. I would have less of a problem with him if he didn't have to talk so much.
Guest Brian Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 Yeah, I think they're headed toward RVD/Taker to with RVD handing Brock his first loss on the RAW after Vengeance. Because they've already given us the tease with him getting the shot at Heyman, so it probably means they won't deliver on pay per view.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 "If the two big texas Hosses stepped it up, it could be a good "power" match." If the match was any higher than *1/2 stars i would be surprised. "Bradshaw was really hustling in the ring last summer, but ever since the APA split he's gotten LA-A-ZY." He's shit. Always has been probably always will be.
Guest RetroRob215 Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 I like the Taker's reign mostly because it has lasted more than one month. He has been busting his ass for the first time in years and is putting over young talent, so we can't really complain.
Guest cabbageboy Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 I personally witnessed a UT/Bradshaw match at a recent house show. Words can't describe the agony. Worst match I've ever seen in person.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 It's not a good pairing. Taker needs a smaller opponent that he can bounce around the ring. The big man style is unlike the worker or cruiserweight style. When you get two workers or cruiserweights together, it's gonna be gold. When you get two big men together, it's gonna be a trainwreck unless the match length is kept short.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I just wanted to say that I am a fan of this Taker reign. If only it could end the way it should (With RVD finally beating Taker) But a good run nonetheless.
Guest RetroRob215 Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 There have been some good big man vs. big man matches, most of which include Vader.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Yeah, but Vader is one of the best big men of all time. Bradshaw isn't. So, let me re-phrase this: when it's two exceptional big men like...hmm, Test and Vader, it can be a good match. But when it's two limited big men like Albert and Bradshaw, it's gonna suck.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Hmm..in Vader's prime, I'm thinking Vader/Test could've been decent, maybe **1/2. Of course, it would be * if Test were to go over....just because.
Guest thebigjig Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I have been surprisingly impressed with Taker since he won the title. Along with alot of you, I didn't look forward to a Taker reign when he won the title from Hogan, although yeah, I didnt want to see Hogan with the belt any longer. But, little by little, week after week, I started noticing that he was really trying hard, putting out some really good matches with the right worker, which couldn't be said with Hogan. Undertaker's match with Angle at the last Smackdown was a really great match, which is something you can't really say about Angle vs. Hogan, although that match was better than expected. So yeah, I can live with him holding the belt a little while longer as long as it ends the right way, hopefully with RVD, or an over Brock Lesnar... which is a long shot, but you never know
Guest Austin3164life Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I'm glad that The Undertaker has held onto the WWE Championship for more than a month and is not your typical "transitional' champion. He's underrated for his mic-work (I can listen to a Taker promo sometimes), and he appears to be putting forth solid effort to try and be the top man in the industry. For a guy who's been around for more than a decade in the same promotion, he's still over with the fans and he realizes that it's time to put over younger stars. For a man of his physical condition and age, he's putting on entertaining matches (vs. Hardy on Raw). Sure, everyone on this board and their mothers would love Kurt Angle or Chris Jericho to hold Undisputed Gold, but I even have to admit that I am fine with The Undertaker being the World Champion. Keep in mind I never would've said that line in 1999.....
Guest Choken One Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Undertaker has always been an transition champion and for once he has had a lenghty title run and has defeated credible challengers (Hogan,HHH, RVD) and put on a pair of good matches. It's by far the best WWE title run this year. The perfect way for this to go is Angle and Rock to kill themselfs and Undertaker to take advantage...RVD lose the title to Brock but RVD gets the title shot...face Ut at SS. Brock Lesnar can turn heel after Heyman tries to convince him to Join NWO and face HHH at SS. Hogan Vs Lance Storm (Canada Vs America)...Rock/Angle...Beniot/Eddy Vs Booker/Goldust and Jericho can job to Hardcore Holly.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 "and Jericho can job to Hardcore Holly" This is the one part of the booking I could see happening.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Undertaker has really impressed me since he turned heel, and this is the best title reign since Austin's first (of 2) in 2001.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 RVD beats Brock at Invasion. Brock goes on a Rampage destroying RVD (hospitalizing, for months) and the rest of the Wwf roster afterwards (so he doesn't loose heat...rather gaining it because this is Brock when he is 'pissed off'). They set up a legend vs. Rookie match. Tradition vs. Anarchy. Old Guard vs. New Guard match w/ Taker vs. Lesnar. They est. Taker as the staple of the Wwf, the man who never left, the man whom the fans have known forever. Heyman could really build Taker IMO just through his mic work (just to tear him down, of course). Taker has faced monsters before, he has faced legends before, but he has never faced the next big thing before...shit like that. Lesnar beats Taker (convincingly, but not a squash) and Heyman gloats that no one can beat Brock Lesnar. I wouldn't mind seeing Brock take out Vince, just to get the point across that he is unstoppable. Naturually RVD's music hits and he comes out, doesn't have to say much cause we all know RVD was the one put a dent in Brocks shining armor. Heyman could keep running his mouth and shit making this HIS personal battle, RVD could get backed by Vince and the rest of the WWF as the man who will take down the monster for good. It could really be worked out into a good feud, and be really the first Headlining 'new talent' match that everyone has been waiting for since HHH/Rock, really. Since it is Fall and that's when the Wwf (and all networks) want to make a impact, what better way would they do that than with Rvd vs. Brock? (this is assuming Brock gets mega heat for his feud with Taker) Sigh, I promised myself long ago not to fantasy book, because I almost always get disappointed... Dammit.
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