Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I've been wondering this for a long time...why do you even bother to get your hopes up, at all, about the former WWF? You know damn well they're not gonna book things the way you think they're going to be booked, you know they're not gonna push the guys you think should be pushed, you know that Triple H yadda yadda yadda yadda...you get the picture. So why bother watching at all? It's pretty clear that it doesn't bring you anything but misery...
Guest Kingpk Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Is this directed towards anyone in particular?
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 It just seems kinda pointless to continue to follow a wrestling organization which does nothing but inspire so much hatred...you continue to hope for a Jericho push that never happens, a Benoit push that never happens, something OTHER than a Triple H push... I didn't order the PPV and have been trying to follow it in the Vengeance thread, but there's not a whole lot of information on the show between "this booking sucks!", "why'd that guy win?", "Triple H sucks!", etc. -Patrick
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I still enjoy watching, because as screwed up as the top is, the WWE still employs a great deal of my favorite wrestlers. And if they bring live shows over here (come back, guys!), I'd sure as hell go to them. I enjoyed heckling the life out of Nash and telling him how politicians (as well as The Clique) suck.
Guest alfdogg Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Haven't you been banned from here already? ::coughDIEWWFDIEcough::
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I can see your point...but at the same time, you guys seem to constantly get your hopes up about things. They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time...but maybe the same could be applied to watching a company that does the same thing over and over, expecting them to do things differently.
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Haven't you been banned from here already? ::coughDIEWWFDIEcough:: *shrug* If you don't mind, I'd like to try to contribute to things in an intelligent manner...
Guest Slapnuts00 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 As bad as it gets, it's awesome to be there for the good moments. When your favorite wrestler gets a big win, a markout moment occurs, someone makes a suprise appearence or a ***** match breaks out, that feeling you get THAT'S why we still watch. There's still no other entertainment like wrestling, anywhere. For those who enjoy it, they just can't explain it to those people who don't; no matter how hard you try, they just don't "get it". There's always negatives with positives, and with my expirience with the forums, there's always posts on things people are liking as well as things we disagree with (even though it seems otherwise since sometimes it's easier to dwell on the negatives). That's what makes it fun, we can log on to a community of people who enjoy the same unique interest we all have, and discuss and even complain. Wrestling is never perfect, but we comaplain BECAUSE we love it, we want it to be better. If we wanted to stop watching we wouldn't bother complaining. That's the best way I can explain why we still watch. As bas as it sometimes seems, there's still plenty there to look forward to.
Guest BobbyWhioux Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 You critique harshest those you love. We're so hard on the WWE and so angry at it -- at least I am -- because we care so much about the product and the business and want to see it be as great as we know it can be. Fans are stubborn and "never give up" like that, sometimes. There's always hope. Hell, after 90 years of never getting the big one, there's still a bunch of Chicago Cubs fans and Boston Red Sox fans, forever hoping that some day, one day, FINALLY, it'll happen. It doesn't matter how long the futility and the frustration and the failure to live up to potential lasts. The hope always remains. The harsh criticism and the mocking humor is all just how fans of "losers" cope with the team's lack of success and their undying fan-hope. [And if Cubs fans don't give up after 90 years, how can we give up after ONE year?] That's how the WWE works for me, anyway. I tried to take a moral stand after "Trish barks like a dog" (the one segment that truly offended me above all others, as did the lack of comparable revenge by Trish on Vince [sorry, one slap at WM17 is NOT enough].) But I was still watching again within two weeks. Besides, there is no alternative. (No, NWA does not count, cuz I ain't paying 10 bucks for a weekly wrestling show unless it gets me laid or something. However, if the weekly show were free, I'd most assuredly watch. Cuz I've always watched whatever wrestling I could find on. Yes, even WOW.) Basically, we bitch because we care.
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 BobbyWhioux has a good point. I've been a regular wrestling fan for almost eleven years now, and I've followed the WWF for all of that time. If there's wrestling on, I try to follow it, whether it's WCW, ECW, GCW or WLW(indy feds around the St. Louis area), NWATNA, or whatever. And I try to watch for the positive stuff in whatever product I'm viewing. When a fed that has consistently entertained you is in a slump, it's hard to watch...especially nowadays when the former WWF has the potential to do so much more. And that's probably the worst thing, the fact that they COULD be putting on a legitimately killer product with the roster of talent they have, but they're not.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 They say insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results each time...but maybe the same could be applied to watching a company that does the same thing over and over, expecting them to do things differently. I used to avoid this board quite often at first. I registered an account, but only read when I was bored out of my mind. I don't like the endless fandom for certain Canadians (I'm still curious what the Canada-to-US ratio here is) and slamming certain wrestlers beyond the boundaries of good taste, but at this point the shows are becoming so bad I find... Well, I guess you could call it a brotherhood if you consider an Internet forum the be such a thing. I guess you could say I come here so I can join in with the Group Agonizing.
Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 It's the booking. The damn boneheaded booking. I watch to see my favorites on TV, and I'm generally a wrestling fan. *shrugs* However, the morons can't use the very over *coughRVDcough* talent they have, even if it's being pointed out to 'em. It's frustrating as hell.
Guest M Nyland Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 it seems to me MAYBE...just MAYBE...the WWE knows that RVD is over and wants to get others over too...so they spend time taking the shit we don't like and forcing it down our throats in the hopes we like it... ya know....nobody liked "Hunter Hearst Helmsley" much when he came in...and by 2000 he was a SmarkGod....because the WWF said "let's push this guy" even if it was by "politics"...they at least tried it and it worked... that's probably the only time that it ever worked for them though
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 However, the morons can't use the very over *coughRVDcough* talent they have, even if it's being pointed out to 'em. It's frustrating as hell. Hello? It's called "the chase." It's what they need, a long-term buildup. RVD will get the title eventually, but they're getting people hot and worked up for it. Austin didn't immediately win the title by selling a kajillion shirts. People were buying the shirts and getting behind Austin because they wanted to see him win. Same thing with RVD, except instead of the Evil Owner, we have Paul's New Toy, who is making his way to the top by brutalizing guys and getting cheap victories. He'll get what's coming to him eventually.
Guest Army Eye Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 ya know....nobody liked "Hunter Hearst Helmsley" much when he came in...and by 2000 he was a SmarkGod....because the WWF said "let's push this guy" even if it was by "politics"...they at least tried it and it worked... How was it by politics? Tell me how HHH had any political influence at all when he got his first big push in '99
Guest M Nyland Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 HHH was friends with the Kliq (or at least Shawn Micheals) who could have had some pull with Vince... it's all RAMPANT NET SPECULATION anyways
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Shitty WWE is better than no WWE at all. We just know that the roster they're working with has unlimited potential, they just use it in all the wrong ways. The ratings show it.
Guest Brian Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 You know the booking is bad when they fail to build the king of politics return properly.
Guest Kinetic Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 And I really think it's only a matter of time until someone has the balls to tell Vince that the entire creative team needs to be re-evaluated or let go completely. With business like it is, it has to happen eventually. I hope.
Guest GenerationNever Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 THIS is what I like: constuctive critisism. As to the questions presented in your topic. I watch out of habit, fandom, and with an undying hope that things will get better. Eh, call me an optimist. I survived the mid 90s, although I wasn't that old either...
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 (looks outside) Looks like rain. Damn that Triple H. (watches in disbelief as the cloud settles over Chris Jericho's house and starts pouring down rain) Err...
Guest papacita Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Unlike (seemingly) a lot of Smarks, I generally don't watch the WWE studying workrate and all that stuff. I pretty much watch to be entertained...to mark out like I used to be able to do 2-3 years ago. But my main problem with the WWE right now is that it's almost set up to where you can't mark out anymore. Nothing on the show is believable to me anymore. And with the exception of HBK, all of my favorites are either gone or buried so deep in the midcard that I don't even care about them. I pretty much just watch the WWE out of habit, but it's getting harder and harder to watch.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I dunno....I know the first time I don't watch there's going to be a new show. I missed a show last summer and it was the ECW Return....
Guest Redhawk Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Personally, I'm not too bitter over the whole Triple H thing. I still like him as a performer, and as long as his backstage stuff doesn't make the shows look like complete shit, than it's no big deal. I mean, RAW has been shitty for a while, but that has nothing to do with HHH. Because bottom line is, IT'S A TV SHOW! Yeah, it sucks to see your favorite wrestler stuck in the midcard, but at least he's still on TV and at least he's still getting paid. I don't hear any ER fans complaining about how Noah Wyle's being held down from the main storylines.
Guest papacita Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 Because bottom line is, IT'S A TV SHOW! Yeah, it sucks to see your favorite wrestler stuck in the midcard, but at least he's still on TV and at least he's still getting paid. I don't hear any ER fans complaining about how Noah Wyle's being held down from the main storylines. Yeah, but ER isn't supposed to be based around competition. The WWE is supposed to be a competition, whether it's real or not, and when your guys are either losing or retired and you don't really care about the guys that are on TV, it gets a little hard to enjoy. And the poor writing doesn't help much.
Guest dreamer420 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I've been wondering this for a long time...why do you even bother to get your hopes up, at all, about the former WWF? You know damn well they're not gonna book things the way you think they're going to be booked, you know they're not gonna push the guys you think should be pushed, you know that Triple H yadda yadda yadda yadda...you get the picture. So why bother watching at all? It's pretty clear that it doesn't bring you anything but misery... I watch because I am a wrestling fan. Sounds like you aren't so maybe you should start changing the channel when it is.
Guest PB-13 Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 I watch because I am a wrestling fan. Sounds like you aren't so maybe you should start changing the channel when it is. Actually, I AM a wrestling fan, but I feel like all I read on here is negative comments about the WWF/E product, that's all...
Guest TheBlurricane Posted July 22, 2002 Report Posted July 22, 2002 You critique harshest those you love Exactly...that should be the motto of this board
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