How long should it take?

[Guest MrRant]

Let us assume with the introduction of the cruisers and the rookies (Cena, Batista, etc) and getting rid of the nWo that the WWE is trying to evolve the product. I have noticed that there seems to be little by little more wrestling creeping into the shows.

 

Now... assuming this continues how long are should it take the WWE to completely evolve?

 

The way I look at it is that it took awhile to (I hate to use this word) train the audience to the program structure and the style of wrestling that is being used currently (What I consider brawling with a couple wrestling moves incorporated).

 

I would tend to think that you can't just change the structure and style over a month because you would risk losing fans that may have enjoyed that particular style. I would think that you may want to take 4-6 months and slowly add some more actual wrestling here and then some more there without a sudden dramatic change where everyone is mat wrestling.

 

Those are my thoughts. What is yours as far as a how much time should be given to the WWE to transision?

 

(And lets keep that whole changing directions every month or so bitching to a minimum ok? I want to have a serious discussion and over the past 2 months or so they have stayed the course.)

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The direction of the company CAN NOT...and I stress this...CAN NOT change while the top guys remain the same.

 

It really is that simple.

 

If your undercard is great and the top guys are always the same shitty wrestlers...you pretty much are WCW.

 

And we all know where they are.

 

Taker and HHH have to go.

 

Rock needs to not hold titles in between movies.

 

Angle needs to be the top guy for a variety of reasons.

 

and Lesnar needsto be brought along slower for his own sake.

 

Those are the only ways I personally think a change in direction can occur.

[Guest MrRant]

The direction of the company CAN NOT...and I stress this...CAN NOT change while the top guys remain the same.

 

It really is that simple.

 

If your undercard is great and the top guys are always the same shitty wrestlers...you pretty much are WCW.

 

And we all know where they are.

 

Taker and HHH have to go.

 

Rock needs to not hold titles in between movies.

 

Angle needs to be the top guy for a variety of reasons.

 

and Lesnar needsto be brought along slower for his own sake.

 

Those are the only ways I personally think a change in direction can occur.

Missed the point. I didn't ask for what direction.. but how LONG should it take and it is more about changing the WWE style.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

hmm...

 

I think my post still stands.

 

When the top guys suck...a flashy style only shows them up *coughRVDcough*

 

If Angles at the top no style is going to make him look bad.

 

So I amend it like this:

 

Drop the deadweight at the top...I beleive they are the reason the style sucks.

[Guest EricMM]

Knoble/Funaki on Velocity.

 

Despite it being one of the early matches of the night, the crowd was silent. Despite many good manuevers and psychology, the crowd was silent. I think that the WWE crowd has not been trained to mark for good mauevers and sound psychology, instead for explosive changes of pace, hulk ups, kip ups, whatever. Sure you may have been trapped in an figure four around the post for 10 minutes while the ref was out, but if you start firing rights by god you're not even gonna limp.

 

The match was so bad Knoble literally yelled "WAKE UP!!" to the crowd. Not a heel phrase, a desperate one.

 

I don't think RVD's moves got him over so much anymore. I think it was the R-V-D. The Rob-Van-Dam *pointpointpoint* because while they have not been trained to appreciate five star frog splashes, they appreciate catch phrases.

 

I guess that's what the core audience likes. It may not be what the newer fans would like. So maybe you have to change what the core audience likes, to have them approve of a product that would bring in new viewers.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The R-V-D thing may have gotten him over...

 

But at least he was able to have it stick.

 

Now it's more than just that that is over IMO.

 

The crowd pops for everything the guy does.

 

The fact that everything he does is different than the WWE style...should tell Vince...I don't know...something.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The R-V-D thing may have gotten him over...

 

But at least he was able to have it stick.

 

Now it's more than just that that is over IMO.

 

The crowd pops for everything the guy does.

 

The fact that everything he does is different than the WWE style...should tell Vince...I don't know...something.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

I personally think thats the biggest difference between the kind of over RVD is and the kind of over HHH is (now face it people, he is over, but hear me out) RVD draws a pop for hitting a damn kick to the face and everything in between. HHH draws a pop for the pedigree and sometimes the facebuster. Thats it.

 

But yes, i'm back from my tangent, and I believe you'd obviously have to retrain the audience completley. Wrestling, actual honest to goodness wrestling just isn't gonna get much of a reaction at the moment. The "trademark moves" and finishers will but thats it. You have to make them realize every body slam and arm wringer means something. This mainly falls on the shoulders of the commentators. When Knoble was working Kidman's arm like a mother tonight Tazz and Cole sort of noted it but not really. Thats not acceptable. You have to let the audience know that it just doesn't hurt Kidman when Knoble's working it, it hurts him when he tries to even move it or mount an offense. They didn't even mention it when Knoble got the tiger driver for the win. It hasn othing to do with the arm on the surface but Kidman couldn't free himself from the hold because the arm was hurting him. There fore, Knoble got a big move off, Kidman tried to protect his arm but forgot to protect his head and got pinned.

 

God, I think i sort of made sense in all of that, but if I didn't, I apologize.

[Guest MrRant]

I personally think thats the biggest difference between the kind of over RVD is and the kind of over HHH is (now face it people, he is over, but hear me out) RVD draws a pop for hitting a damn kick to the face and everything in between. HHH draws a pop for the pedigree and sometimes the facebuster. Thats it.

 

But yes, i'm back from my tangent, and I believe you'd obviously have to retrain the audience completley. Wrestling, actual honest to goodness wrestling just isn't gonna get much of a reaction at the moment. The "trademark moves" and finishers will but thats it. You have to make them realize every body slam and arm wringer means something. This mainly falls on the shoulders of the commentators. When Knoble was working Kidman's arm like a mother tonight Tazz and Cole sort of noted it but not really. Thats not acceptable. You have to let the audience know that it just doesn't hurt Kidman when Knoble's working it, it hurts him when he tries to even move it or mount an offense. They didn't even mention it when Knoble got the tiger driver for the win. It hasn othing to do with the arm on the surface but Kidman couldn't free himself from the hold because the arm was hurting him. There fore, Knoble got a big move off, Kidman tried to protect his arm but forgot to protect his head and got pinned.

 

God, I think i sort of made sense in all of that, but if I didn't, I apologize.

You made sense and you got my point. There needs to be a slow training of the audience to a new style of wrestling... can't just go here... mat wrestling ... now cheer DAMN YOU! It will take at least 4 months of slowly working stuff in to change it.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Yeah, I think they do want to put out a more wrestling based program, Vince has just gotten a bit to used to being able to tell the fans what they'll like and them liking it. So he just sticks 7 to 15 minute matches out there and a lot of them die. Thats sad, because it's gonna end with Vince just saying "Oh fuck this wrasslin shit it ain't workin! Al Snow! Eat your dog!" Oy. be afraid.