RVDs falling off the ladder had psychology!

[Guest ManKinnd]

I was watching the RVD/Eddy ladder classic from Raw again and I remembered being so disappointed that RVD couldn't hit the frog splash, but thinking about it more, it completed the story of the match.

RVD was known for being comfortable with a ladder going in. Eddy, however, was frightened of it, and he kept relying on his wrestling ability and matwork to wear down RVD. As the match goes on, though, Eddy starts using the ladder more and more in his offense. In fact, the fan running in has more insane psychology because just as Eddy became comfortable enough with the ladder to attempt a big move off it, a total non factor looked to kill his confidence. However, he went for it again and it hit. RVD takes control late in the match and looks to finish Eddy with his patented frog splash, this time off the top of a ladder, which to my knowledge has never been attempted before, and RVD, the guy who came in confident and cool with the ladder, fell off. The ladder failed him. Sweet irony. The irony continues because after this RVD knocks Eddy down for the last time with a wrestling move, the kind of thing that Eddy relied on early in the match.

So both men made total 180 switches. Eddy came in wanting to wrestle, fearing the ladder, and RVD was opposite. He looked to the ladder as a parter, an asset, not a liablility. As the match went on, though, Eddy became "buddies" with the ladder and it let him hit a huge move off of it. The ladder almost cost RVD the match when he went for his big ending move, and in the end RVD had to use wrestling to beat Guerro. The irony was sweet, and so next time you're discussing this match, remember, sure, maybe it WAS a blown spot, and maybe the fan running it wasn't planned, but both helped psychology and story in the match, and, in my book, made the match that much better.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

ya know what....two things...

 

1) that post was awesome

2) you have way too much time on your hands

 

 

still an awesome post though...so don't flame me

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

figures.

 

First time an RVD match has psychology and it was an accident.

 

figures.

[Guest CanadianChick]

You are a very observant person...

[Guest Shaved Bear]

the match was sick, you should teach english

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

Accidental psycology doesn't equal pshycology, although the unplanned incidents did make the match more interesting (not that it wasn't already).

[Guest red_file]

As you stated yourself it was ironic. No psychology evident.

 

If you really wanted to stretch for it having psychological merit, you might be able to argue that since Eddy feared RVD's ability with the ladder he (Eddy) did his best to damage the ladder. It doesn't really make sense in that a busted ladder doesn't help Eddy.

 

The only psychology that was evident in the match was Eddy working on RVD's leg so that he would have difficulty climbing. Good psychology, it was played up by the announcers, and sold decently.

 

It was a good match, but let's not try to make it better than it was.

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

figures.

 

First time an RVD match has psychology and it was an accident.

Not True RVD Eddie at Judgement Day had some good psychology although that is only my oppoion.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

figures.

 

First time an RVD match has psychology and it was an accident.

 

figures.

And for further comment, let's go to the psychology master himself. Mr RVD, Any Comment?

 

RVD: "Huh? Oh yeah, that was pretty cool and stuff. Whatever."

[Guest saturnmark4life]

this is completely off topic, but my god Drwrestlingphysics has managed to kick three different kinds of ass with three images.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I've seen quite a few RVD matches that had psychology to them actually. Watch his stuff against Jerry Lynn, as he and Jerry counter each other's stuff from match to match...stuff that worked previously doesn't work again, etc.

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

Thank you, SaturnMark, but Andrew WK doesn't really do anything for me!

[Guest Nevermortal]

Thank you, SaturnMark, but Andrew WK doesn't really do anything for me!

Me neither. [puke]

[Guest Brian]

"The only psychology that was evident in the match was Eddy working on RVD's leg so that he would have difficulty climbing. Good psychology, it was played up by the announcers, and sold decently."

 

That's totally wrong. They had portrayed a story from the start that Eddie was very passive when it came to the ladder, where he later built confidence, and RVD was the all-action guys, who was willing to risk despite the possible consequences, especially early on with how and when the ladder came into play.

[Guest red_file]

"The only psychology that was evident in the match was Eddy working on RVD's leg so that he would have difficulty climbing. Good psychology, it was played up by the announcers, and sold decently."

 

That's totally wrong. They had portrayed a story from the start that Eddie was very passive when it came to the ladder, where he later built confidence, and RVD was the all-action guys, who was willing to risk despite the possible consequences, especially early on with how and when the ladder came into play.

Granted, Eddy was portrayed as nervous going into the match, but it seemed likely that he was nervous of an Austin reprisal from the previous week. I don't recall there being much in the ring that would've contributed to a sense that Eddy was nervous of the ladder -- perhaps I missed that bit.

 

As I said before the only psychology that was evident to me (i.e. the thread that tied together the spots that made up the match) was Eddy working RVD's leg. Few, if any, of RVD's spots contributed anything to the story of the match (which is not to say they weren't spectacular or that I loved them any less) beyond him using the ladder as a weapon. Perhaps that in and of itself told a story of a storts. If it did, it was lost on me.

[Guest Brian]

I remember Eddie using the ladder when RVD brought the match to the outside in the early going than brining the action back in the ring before anything could come of it. I remember him knocking down the ladder at one point when he had a slight chance to try and climb it and go for the title. I remember him being really passive during the match at going for the title, and RVD being really out there with the offense with the ladder. You're right about the Austin thing; but Eddie was also unsure of wrestling in that environment with the ladder. And didn't the segment with the Benoit interview press the fact that Eddie had never been in a ladder match before?

[Guest Narcoleptic Jumper]

Gee, did Eddy and the Ladder go out drinkin' that night and get wasted together?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Brian is right...

 

the whole Benoit/Eddy confrontation started the idea of Eddy and the ladder.

 

Then his little conversation with Flair ended with Flair saying "Good luck champ" and Eddy being real nervous about the whole thing.

 

The when he got in the ring he was looking up nervously and out of his element.