Somthing that pisses me off.

[Guest Anglesault]

We were all under the impression that Hogan could only do simple two inch back bumps. That's why everyone is treating him with kid gloves, and why the Angle match kind of sucked. (Okay, it really sucked) Anyway, I turn on SD! last night to see Hogan taking the F5. What the Hell? Has his back gotten better or did they force him to take it to try and get the Heatless Wonder over?

[Guest redbaron51]

your second saying...

 

heatless wonder over.

[Guest Ripper]

It definately shocked the living horse crap out of me.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

That was months ago when Hogan "hurt" his ribs. They have to be better by now.

[Guest TheDames7]

That was months ago when Hogan "hurt" his ribs. They have to be better by now.

Sorry, this is off the subject, but that reminds me when DDP had "hurt" ribs for like 2 years. He wore tape all the damn time.

 

Dames

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

Maybe the Browser Refresh is easier to take from a higher elevation than the Anglympic Slam because the victim goes down face first and thus can "brace themselves" with their forarms and shins?

 

I don't know.

 

Or maybe it's that Hogan can take one (i.e. a Lesnar run in) of that degree in a night but not a bunch in a compressed time frame (i.e. a match with Angle).

 

Or maybe it's that Lesnar is supposed to be cast as the Monster Heel (t.m. Vader 1993) and Angle is supposed to be more of a shifty cheater who has skill but for some reason would rather cut corners (t.m. Ted Dibiase 1988)

 

They definitely want to get Lesnar over/more over, and hey, it was kinda cool to see him hit the Browser Refresh on Hogan (it's more fun to say than F5, shut up).

 

I still think Lesnar would be better served by just plain mauling Hogan rather than hitting him with one move, even a finisher. But there's still time for that yet.

 

Also, while he ought to be learning and getting the chance to speak for himself, I think his words should be more limited until he fully develops "it" and let Heyman still do plenty of his talking. All Undertaker said for years was "rest...in...peace" and it worked for him. [Okay, getting to undersell and maul the biggest and baddest helped a lot, too.]

 

I just think we smarkies are being a little premature with our Anti-Lesnar backlash. Then again, maybe the initial novelty of a guy who can hoist Rikishi and Mark Henry on his shoulders with apparent ease and throw them around like basketballs is beginning to wear off. He's supposed to be an evil unstoppable monster, but the problem is he's not doing anything that comes off as particularly monsterous or evil anymore. I mean, big deal, a couple of run ins. EVERYBODY does a run-in now. EVERYBODY talks trash about their opponent and insults them now. T'ain't special or shocking or deplorable anymore. Neither is bullying a limo driver or interviewer.

 

Maybe, however, if Lesnar has a unique reason/explanation for why, he could be scary.

 

Coach: "Why? What was that for? Why did you attack Hogan with that chair."

 

[Lesnar looks at Coachman blankly.]

 

[And shrugs his shoulders.]

 

Lesnar: "Just felt like it." {{not said with anger or malice, but an eerie serenity and emotionless calm}}

 

or

 

Lesnar: "He didn't shake my hand at the start of the match."

 

Madness is freakier when you can't figure out the method to it. Or when the method is so bizarre or trivial. Hitchcock never explained WHY the birds started going berserk, after all. And that's what makes "the Birds" so damn cool.

 

No, normally, a lack of explanation is a frustrating logic gap on the part of wrestling writers...but the right kind of non-explanation is a great writing device.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

because hes the Next Big Thing....or something to that effect

[Guest notJames]

Well said, Bobby. I like your "inexplicable madness" angle, as it's unlike anyone in the WW_ and can add depth to Lesnar's character. And it doesn't have to be so over-the-top like Raven... subtlety's the key, I think...

 

I've been a big supporter of Lesnar since his inception, but I have to admit that when he speaks, he gives off more of a loveable big goof aura than someone like Batista, who just oozes "psychotic killer". It's pretty evident when he smiles during his promos, then switches to a half-hearted scowl... needs a little work.

[Guest CHEAT TO WIN~!]

They would probably let Lesnar literally murder Hogan on national TV right now if it could get him over before Summerslam...

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Absolutely they would. Nice post Bobby. It kind of struck me as odd as well because Hogan even being DOUBLE back body dropped would not be elevated over 2 feet high. I think your explanation of the face landing works the best. If you watch closely, Hogan just puts his hands down and takes a really weak bump, but Brock's hoisting him around makes it look cool. It was a pussy bump and I think it just is kind of an exception to the rule in that the bump is really null to the fact that the move is going to look pretty cool regardless.

[Guest Trivia247]

I guess if Ric Flair can take a f-5 then Hogan can.

 

they seem to take them better than HBK did for a Pedigree lol

[Guest Shaved Bear]

well HHH was too INTENSE~! to pedigree HBK right

[Guest Army Eye]

well HHH was too INTENSE~! to pedigree HBK right

That sure was stupid.

[Guest Anglesault]

Almost as stupid as you following HHHaters around and complaining

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

I think part of it has to do with the fact that this was a taped show.

 

I personally thought the F5 looked really good on Hogan, surprisingly enough, but it's very easy to notice why: Lesnar takes Hogan up, brings him down, and the angle cuts just as he hits--it's perfectly edited so that it looks juuuuust right, and we can't really see much bracing or much aftermath on the bump.

 

Angle doing belly-to-bellys and such on Hogan on live PPV wouldn't work as well, because with a tape, Hogan can brace himself as much as he wants, because the Smackdown crew has a handful of cameras and a nice little FinalCut Pro slider to let them trim shots to their liking.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Maybe the Browser Refresh is easier to take from a higher elevation than the Anglympic Slam because the victim goes down face first and thus can "brace themselves" with their forarms and shins?

I'll go with that. We've seen a number of guys of different body types and sizes take it without a flinch - I doubt it would be any different for Hogan, considering how feeble the bump really is.

 

Hopefully, the WWE is starting to get the idea with Lesnar, plowing through guys like Hogan with little or no remorse. The best moment in Brock Lesnar's on-air career wasn't a post-match beatdown or him lifting that huge aluminum set piece...

 

...it was Brock just walking by the Rock as if he wasn't there.

 

Once Brock starts treating other MEs like that (such as Hogan), he'll be well on his way. I say F5 the old buzzard again and scrape him off the mat.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Amen to that Man in Blak. Last night was one of the first times I bought Lesnar as a credible threat and challenge. He just non chalantly F-5'd some fools. And then acted as if he could really give two fucks about it. That's the shit I'm talking about.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

Brock either has to COMPLETELY IGNORE that their are Main Eventers (people above him) or he has to hit them head on and destroy them...

 

 

if he ignores them...he gets heat because they can be like "Brock...get out here" and he will never show up...making him look almost cowardly to the Main Eventers while he destroys every one else...and then it comes to the point where a MEer can't take it anymore and rushes the ring to stop him...and Brock just OBLITERATES THEM...

 

and then the role is reversed to nobody really wanting to get near him while he wants some...

[Guest Goodear]

Sorry, this is off the subject, but that reminds me when DDP had "hurt" ribs for like 2 years. He wore tape all the damn time.

 

Dames

Yeah, but back then they worked over his injury in just about every match, so it didn't seem quite so odd that the ribs never completely heeled.

 

DDP + rib tape + jeans = Gold Jerry Gold!

[Guest undisputedjericho]

Didn't when he first come in and he did the crazy power moves like the 360 powerbomb that the crowd would oooh and ahhh? Why not start putting those back into his matches, now that he squashes main eventers instead of mid-card tag teams and cruiserweights? Jericho, Angle, Benoit, and Eddie are decent sized enough that he could probably pull it off on them. Hell, he did the F5 to Henry and Rikishi, so why not?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Because it would show up someone with three identical initials.

[Guest Anglesault]

How about NOT havin Brock squash Angle Jericho Benoit and Eddie like that!

[Guest the pinjockey]

How about NOT havin Brock squash Angle Jericho Benoit and Eddie like that!

Yeah, I am going to have to second that one.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

ya know...I thought my idea was pretty cool

[Guest evenflowDDT]

In regards to Hogan taking the F5, maybe I wasn't paying full attention, but Hogan took it pretty poorly. He rather obviously had his knees down first, so that those would take most of the blow, instead of the upper body.

 

And not to restate the obvious evil smarky opinion, but shouldn't workers who can't do their job NOT be working in the first place? If Hogan can't take all kinds of bumps, have him in a damn off-air role like HBK, so he can still draw the pops without wasting our time.

[Guest nWoAngel]

Brock being on Smackdown could only be because of The Rock. They want them to feud.

 

The Rock. Heh.

[Guest El Satanico]

Um Rock is the champ so he's on both shows.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

i like bobby's idea of brock being a scary nazi bastard as well. If he's not going to be talking a whole lot he should just be saying stuff like that.

Problem is, in the WWE they have absolutely NO grasp of subtlety, so he'd probably say something to the effect of 'i don't like his tights' then they'd have a huge storyline spanning months about his determination to have the best tights. Or hair.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Hogan took the F-5 just like every one else took it. Geez, if I said that Hogan would take an F5 last week you would all laugh and call me crazy. Now it's "Oh, well, uh, um, he didn't take it properly..and uh..HOGAN IS OLD!"

 

No matter how many times he jobs, no matter how low he is on the card, no matter how many times he taps or sells or bumps, he will NEVER get any credit for it. Hell, even all those saying 'just put him as a non-wrestling character' would say 'bah! get him off tv' if they did it anyways.