Guest BoboBrazil Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 He just said he was going to start doing less high spots and start wrestling slower on Byte This. They just need to kill this division.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 And now everyone should click my link and sign the petition. Stiff kicks and high spots for everyone!
Guest JAxlMorrison Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Yeah I thought his match was Chavo was a little bit subdued to what they could have done. Actually, I was really disappointed. But oh well, who didn't see this coming? But what is the point of having Rey do less High spots? ALL HE IS IS HIGH SPOTS! THAT'S WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO DO! HE IS REY MISTERIO (JR.)!
Guest Ravenbomb Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 they hired Rey Mysterio, too? Oh great, ANOTHER old guy...
Guest oldschoolwrestling Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Here comes the Bronco Buster!!!!!!
Guest Just call me Dan Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Riiight. Rey and Chavo did very well to me, and though that was incredibly watered down form what they COULD have produced, it was a fresh alternative. If he isn't going slower than that and that match was a testament to what he will be doing in the future, I have no problems. Rey wrestling the WWE style would make him a lot more like RVD and it could really help him get over. It hurts the storytelling and flow of the actual matchup but it is the way they do things. If the WWE has big plans for him , as they should, him adapting to that style would work toward a higher postiton on the card. If he's stuck in the CW division, he should be able to do whatever he wants.
Guest cabbageboy Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 First off, Rey has a valid reason for wanting to tone it down a notch since he has been hurt a few times in the past. That said, they just need to let the cruisers go berserk at some point. If I hear an announcer say "so and so has taken the high flyer to the mat!" one more time I am going to vomit.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 It isn't the lack of high flying stuff that I see as a problem. It's that they barely ever get to do friggin Brainbusters and stuff of that ilk. I want my cool moves dammit
Guest Anglesault Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 That said, they just need to let the cruisers go berserk at some point. If I hear an announcer say "so and so has taken the high flyer to the mat!" one more time I am going to vomit. Or, they could do matches like last night instead of mindless spotfests...
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Last night was a great match, but it seemed like they were dragging during a few of the transitions. I'm ALL for submissions and holds for transitions instead of just missed clotheslines and punching, but it works a lot better if the guy in the hold is constantly trying to resist, and the guy applying the holds is shifting around, as opposed to Chavo just locking on an abdominal stretch, and Rey wincing for 15 seconds until he elbows out. Movement is important, and I feel like with the 5 or 6 minutes Rey and Chavo had, they definitely could have packed a little more action and a few more sequences in if they'd just picked up the pace a teense. Still, a real good little match there.
Guest Brian Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Heck, from what I heard Rey's been wrestling a much more toned down, more psychology, better selling influenced style for the last eight months or so as he's adapted to the limitations of his knee injury. I consider that last night evidence that e have a better version of Rey, who's nopt going to need to fly as much. I seriously doubt Rey goes around punching people, missing clotheslines for transitions, and pussying up his offense.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 I honestly don't care how the cruisers wrestle...until you see something like Noble/Helms at KOTR.
Guest Anglesault Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 better selling influenced style for the last eight months What did his old selling look like? until you see something like Noble/Helms at KOTR. ::shudder::
Guest Brian Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Well, he was much more consistent on the hard sell without really hitting any moves that would affect the abs last night, and Rey used to just sells for shits and giggles once and a while between vast amounts of spots (of course once and a while he was harnessed).
Guest Anglesault Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Okay, I can kind of see where you're coming from. But I think it should have slowed him down a little bit too (The injury, I mean.)
Guest Brian Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 I can understand where you're going...but the match was really neither long enough nor involved enough submisions or weardown tactics to really get that going. That said, I'd like to see this in a fifteen minute pay per view setting.
Guest TheDames7 Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Hey, I'm all for it. The cruiser match at Vengeance was the tightest cruiser match WWE had ever put on because it had the high spots, cool moves and psychology. Without the psych, the ending would have been shit though, but I ate it up. Dames
Guest Anglesault Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 Yeah, there really wasn't enough time to work a body part story. There wasn't enough time for that match, but there were what, FOUR Test segments? ::sigh::
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 This whole "The cruisers are being told to wrestle WWE style" shit is the worst Smark tinfoil hat conspiracy theory currently running. It's more outrageous than the "HHH holds guys down" one, since at least that rumor has evidence. Good God, you guys assume Vince is making the Cruisers take it off a few notches like Steamboat being told to "slow it down" for Hulk Hogan. Get over it. I'm a Cruiser mark and there's a mix of impressive guys and a few guys who seem a bit lazy, but they'll wake up sooner or later. Rey has already injured himself enough times in the past seven years that if he wants to do a few less high spots, sure. Whatever.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted July 26, 2002 Report Posted July 26, 2002 But...cruisers don't wrestle any different than anyone else... and the WWE's policy is that EVERYONE must addopt that style.
Guest TheBlurricane Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 damn Jobber I hate to break this to you but the WWE freely admits they make wrestlers change to the WWE style. All you have to do is watch NWA: TNA cruiserweights or old WCW or ECW cruiserweight matches, or even Junior matches in Japan of those same exact wrestlers.....and you can tell they've changed their styles. We've provided examples and evidence for both of our "conspiracy theories" yeah there's some jerks that can't back up their claims....but there's plenty that can.
Guest C.H.U.D. Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 What was the deal with Rey yelling "Dun Dun Daa!" before hitting the spinning kick between the ropes to set up the springboard rana? He he a big fan of the Cannonball Run movies?
Guest the pinjockey Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 just look at the original tough enough for the dreaded WWF style philosophy. Chris Harvard locked up with a person like he learned at his previous wrestling school and Tori came up and told him to get that out of his head he needs to learn the WWF style.
Guest TheBlurricane Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 They also asked Chris Harvard later if he had a problem with being retaught or reprogrammed I can't remember the exact wording, to the WWF style Harvard went to Killer Kowalski's school. Meaning he learned from the same person as HHH, yet he was told to drop everything he learned from Kowalski when he got to Tough Enough.
Guest Trivia247 Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 Hell what did you expect its the WWE Moveset Nazi Guidline, you didn't expect the same Calibur as a Mystero vs Psicosis debut in ECW did you? 80% of Rey's arsenal is Highspots even more so than RVD. Maybe thats why Rey apparently bulked up before joining the WWE because he knew he would do less flying and have too resort to more Mat wrestling. But Rey = Flying Like Tazz = Suplexes they already Trademark him into a rolly polly Announcer... I suppose they are trying to make mystero fans forget about his Arsenal by giving him Contact lenses OOOOoOo look at the pretty colors.
Guest ShooterJay Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 Not to repeat bps' message, but if you want to see REAL cruiserweight wrestling, watch NWA: TNA! Help keep it in business at least until we see the AJ Styles/Jerry Lynn blowoff! [cheap shill] See the wrestlers you've only heard about! Low Ki, AJ Styles, the Amazing Red, Christopher Daniels! [/cheap shill] [/REALLY cheap shill] While you're at it, catch Lobsterman's All-Star 'Rasslin if you live in the Boston area, this September on WNDS! We have Mexicans! We have fat guys! I'm the Play-By-Play Announcer! What more do you need? [/REALLY cheap shill]
Guest evenflowDDT Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 I don't really care how "watered down" it is, compared to the rest of the roster, even in "the WWE style", the cruiserweights are still unique enough that they stand out and are interesting to watch. The cruiserweights have been "adapted to the WWE style" for a while now, and if anything, they're slightly better than before. If I wanted a sloppy spot fest, I'd mark for Jeff Hardy or ::bites tongue:: Anyway, the Rey Mysterio Jr./Chavo Guerrero Jr. match last night was a damn good match, and I'm sure he made an impression on the audience for being different, like RVD did. So even if he has to "limit himself to WWE style", he'll be like RVD and still have his crowd-wowing moves, while still retaining a sense of his "unique" style, so that he stays over. Everybody wins.
Guest El Satanico Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 Well the biggest tip off to the so called "conspiracy" of WWeee telling the cruisers to wrestle WWeee style is that there are actually CHOKESLAMS in some of the cruiser matches. I mean come on give us a break. But i guess it is a "smarks conspiracy" and that Shane Helms would just rather do a lame finisher like a chokeslam instead of one of his many good finishers that he used in WCW.
Guest Brian Posted July 27, 2002 Report Posted July 27, 2002 "80% of Rey's arsenal is Highspots even more so than RVD. Maybe thats why Rey apparently bulked up before joining the WWE because he knew he would do less flying and have too resort to more Mat wrestling." Actually, Rey has made vast improvements to change that. H's actually done alot more mat based stuff to really emphasize alot of the roll-up reversals he uses at the start of his match, as well as toned down to save his knees and done a better job with selling and psychology.
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