Triple H's.... ringwork

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

I know everyone HHHates him behind the scenes (and in 30 minute promos) but what do you think about his ringwork?

 

At first I liked then the combination of the same thing over and over plus the added fact of him holding people down made me lost interest.

 

All that crap makes me dislike him and his ring work. It's like listening to Limp Bizkit when all you can do is picture Fred Durst being an asshole in your head.

 

However, he can put on a good main event with a guy like Angle (well, Angle can carry anyone....) or a possible **** match on a PPV.

 

Oh and please don't turn this into another HHHater thread, we've got enother of them already and the arguements against him are said. Lets just hope this can stay without taking a bad turn.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Good, intelligent post.

 

Personally, I've always liked Triple H and have always been a huge fan of his heel persona, a charector which is just so evil, that its cool.

 

Since returning, its obvious to all of us that the injury Trippers suffered has hindered his ringwork significantly. Take a look at his 2000-2001 run, some of the greatest matches EVER - Triple H vs Cactus Jack, Triple H vs Rock, Triple H vs Steve Austin - Some mind blowing matches, which raised the bar that much higher.

 

I think Triple H still has that instinct in him, i believe the Game still has that raw ability that he had running like crazy in 2000. Now that he is a heel, the Game is in his own world, he's back where he should be...and hopefully, Triple H will up his ringwork and return to the legacy by which he left in 2001.

 

This has been the Taker Mark

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

Somehow, I don't think HHH will ever be the same in the ring. I mean at first, people blamed his shoddy performances on ring rust. But how can you have ring rust for 7 months? I don't think he will ever get into the **** level again. He doesn't even have any motivation to improve, since he's a main eventer for life as long as he's banging Steph. He should really lay off the roids, too. He's been so sluggish recently, if he drops about 20 pounds, then he would at least have some chance for improvement. If not, he can only get worse since he's more injury prone than Ahmed Johnson.

[Guest Army Eye]

I truly hope he gets back to the workrate of '99-2000, but regardless, his matches will be much better to watch when he's a heel, because his style is SO much more suited to be a heel.

 

HHH doing a 'hot finish' doesn't work at all. He needs to kill his opponent methodically.

 

Setting up a pedigree with a simple kick to the gut is just stupid...

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Triple H's obvious drug problem has also concerned me...he REALLY needs to take control of that, because the guy won't live past 40 if he keeps it up.

 

Taker-Man - Saving Taker Marks everywhere from the accusing stares of Smarks.

[Guest y2jailbait]

Just reading some things over the years and to think that most called him "The second coming of Flair", i dunno about that one now. Its really sad to see a wrestler who had it down such as HHH did in 99-00 and almost made bumping an art, just implode into this throwback to eighties wrestling style. Sure, the moveset remains the same, but the impact and velocity isnt there, and the purpose and emergency of each and every bump isnt there. Theres alot of things Trips can lose, and alot he can gain, but what needs is an ego check and maybe a couple of looks at Backlash 2000 and Judgement Day 2000, maybe itll refresh his memory on this whole "Second Coming".

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

Setting up a pedigree with a simple kick to the gut is just stupid...

Setting up the Stunner with a kick is the same thing. You need to be able to pull finishers out of anywhere for a SWERVE~!

 

 

I'm not talking about just throwing the Pedigree around in matches like Austin with his Stunner (like 3-5 Stunners in one match and it wasn't even main event on RAW) but I can only stand hearing "Hunter is taking him apart piece by piece!" ONCE per match-up.

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

The Stunner is far more effective though since it's so fast, but with the pedigree, it takes an age to set up.

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

And I thought HHH always used the plastic sledgehammer for the SWERVES~!

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

Stunner: Kic...WHAM! (I didn't even finish typing 'Kick')

Pedigree: Kick, Hook Arms...Wham.

 

The 'Gree is still just one of two steps behind but once you've got the double underhook, it's pretty much all said an done...unless Face Guy #2 grabs the Sledge....

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

It's hard to explain, but one or two seconds really makes all the difference.

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

It's hard to explain, but one or two seconds really makes all the difference.

Who CARES? Did you feel that rush that went through your body when Trips Pedigreed HBK a couple of weeks ago? Thats what a finishing move is SUPPOSED to do, make you stand up and take fucking NOTICE

 

Taker-Mark

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

It's hard to explain, but one or two seconds really makes all the difference.

Who CARES? Did you feel that rush that went through your body when Trips Pedigreed HBK a couple of weeks ago? Thats what a finishing move is SUPPOSED to do, make you stand up and take fucking NOTICE

 

Taker-Mark™

You mean the botchigree? That pedigree looked awfull. I almost cringed watching that business exposing joke. It almost looked like it was fun!

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

It's ironic when you think about it, though. That the Kilq are now exposing the business, but not delibaretley.

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

HHH can't land on his that one knee anymore and HBK can't take a bump. That makes for a crappy 'Gree.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I'm not a HHHater,

 

I'm not a fan of his either though. Alot of people (probably a lot of the HHHaters) creamed themselves over HHH in 2000, but even then he was overated. He was a really clever wrestler. He had some amazing matches, but anyone who beleived he could wrestle to the same extent as Benoit or numerous Japanese guys were kidding themselves.

 

Unfortunately, since his big comback his matches have been average. Due to his injury and the stupid amount of muscle he has slowed down alot in the ring. I hope he can regain his best form, because he was a really, really good all-rounder in 99-01

[Guest mach7]

It's hard to explain, but one or two seconds really makes all the difference.

Who CARES? Did you feel that rush that went through your body when Trips Pedigreed HBK a couple of weeks ago? Thats what a finishing move is SUPPOSED to do, make you stand up and take fucking NOTICE

 

Taker-Mark™

Yeah I felt that rush. A rush that signified a small glimmer of hope in the back of my mind that both men would fuck up, break their necks, and I'd never have to waste time with them on my television ever again.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

HHH's ring-work has been atrocious since coming back from his injury. Now that he's a heel again it might improve because he can work his familiar heel style, but he still needs to drop the water weight and improve his speed. The "needs time to work off ring-rust" theory has been shown to be a total load of crap, as both Benoit and The Rock have returned from layoffs and haven't missed a step in the ring.

[Guest The Ruthless Aggressor]

He's a heel now? I thought he stayed as a face. He got the same crowd response, either way.

[Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics]

Although prefering HHH as a heel, I always suspected that he'd rather be a cool heel than an out and out heel.

What I mean is that he did bad things because he could and for the sake of being bad, rather than (as Foley says in his book) the more sick and twisted heel who always thought he was in the right in his own mind.

[Guest Nezbyte]

He's a heel now? I thought he stayed as a face. He got the same crowd response, either way.

He gets a face reation as a heel, and no creation as a face.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

HHH flat out sucks in the ring, from his quad injury until his elbow injury, heas not gone down in size, or shown any signs of improvement, if he can get back to 99-00 shape...fine, but now he sucks in the ring

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I think people would only admit HHH is good here if he exploded. But I digress.

 

I can't say I hate HHH. He's still better than Austin, imo. I just wish he'd get back to his 2000 shape.

[Guest bob_barron]

HHH just gained too much weight and is much slower.

 

He's had some good matches v. Jericho.

 

Austin had two great matches v. Angle and a good one with Flair but he's had to work with the nWo all year while HHH got to feud with Jericho and Angle.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Flyboy and I were BOTH major HHH marks back in 2000-2001. Okay...we heard rumblings about the glass ceiling and shit, but if the guy seemed to be earning his keep, who gave a damn besides Scott "bitch, bitch, and bitch some more" Keith? However...then he tore his quad. 9 months out, then comes back and has really shitty matches. Excusable, though. A couple months back...shitty matches STILL! That, plus the HIAC with Jericho, turned me HHHater.

 

Then the elbow injury, and when he actually starts wrestling again, I doubt he'll be back up to snuff yet.

 

However, back in 2000-2001, he was like a really tall, kinda bulked-up Flair, and the Iron Man Match with the Rock certainly shocked the shit out of a lot of people--especially considering how Rock's spit-punchy-kicking fests usually were going.

 

However, if he can't even put on a decent match anymore, he shouldn't be stinking up main events.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

its funny how our first main event without HHH is the best one in a while

[Guest godthedog]

i think that trips was a better-than-average worker who, when he got his chance to be the wwf's ric flair, stepped up his game specifically for that purpose and had great matches through sheer will and hard work. he was going at a thousand miles an hour in 2000, and even though he didn't really have the physical ability to take it, he did it anyway because it was his chance at immortality. after his body finally caught up with him & he came back from rehab, he seemed content that the 2000 run was the peak of his career (even on the dvd he speaks of it as if it were his true dream & high water mark), & is now happy wrestling in a way he's more physically accustomed to (which is better than average). except he's STILL always hurt.

 

he doesn't have as much raw talent as austin or benoit, or even jericho, but his mental toughness and motivation made him great for about a year & a half.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

i think that trips was a better-than-average worker who, when he got his chance to be the wwf's ric flair, stepped up his game specifically for that purpose and had great matches through sheer will and hard work. he was going at a thousand miles an hour in 2000, and even though he didn't really have the physical ability to take it, he did it anyway because it was his chance at immortality. after his body finally caught up with him & he came back from rehab, he seemed content that the 2000 run was the peak of his career (even on the dvd he speaks of it as if it were his true dream & high water mark), & is now happy wrestling in a way he's more physically accustomed to (which is better than average). except he's STILL always hurt.

 

he doesn't have as much raw talent as austin or benoit, or even jericho, but his mental toughness and motivation made him great for about a year & a half.

One of the most insightful posts I've read on this board period. That's a real good point about HHH. I liked him during his feud with the Rock, and he impressed be because, as much as it's become a joke now, he was intense. I don't know aout Ric Flair level, but he generated good matches somehow. Personally, despite his face turn, I never saw HHH as a face. He gave basically the same: You wrestled well but I'm just better promos, but he didn't do the heel tactics which made such speeches infuriating. In fact he was less of a face and more of a non-heel. He doesn't do anything heelish, but he doesn't do anything like a face. To me he's kind of a tweener, but not in the Undertaker sort of way. He, like WWE for the longest time, has no real direction. He just IS.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't care how bad he is.

 

There are worse people on the roster.

 

However...until he shows something in the ring...his presence at the top of the card is no longer acceptable.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Exactly.

 

There are worse wrestlers, but for a top liner his matches better improve.