Guest LexLugerRules Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 This is not a knock on Lesnar. I think Lesnar can be a main event star, BUT NOT NOW. Lesnar so far is drawing the lowest ratings. He is not ready for the main event. Brock Lesnar should be fueding with midcards, like Rikishi, Decan Basita, Big Show, etc. NOT main eventing the 2nd biggest show of the year. Lesnar is capable of being a main event star, BUT NOT 2 MONTHS INTO HIS WWE CAREER! I say make Lesnar lose the SS main event to Angle, and let Angle and Rock fued, with Angle becoming the World Champ. Lesnar is not over enough to be a main eventer superstar. Lesnar cant even draw flies. Lesnar should be a midcarder. It's really ashame to see a guy 2 months into his WWE career, and isnt over enough to be a main eventer, and cant draw flies MAIN EVENTING, while people who are over, and can draw better, like RVD, Jericho, Angle, Booker. Cant get past the midcard.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 I agree with this completely. The only thing they are hurting more than business with this push is Brock's future use.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Seriously, what's next? Brock is no Kurt Angle. Kurt was pushed REALLY hard, but not anywhere near this hard. Kurt had things to do after his initial World Title run. What the hell could Brock do after all of this overpushing?
Guest Brian Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 I don't know...the first four months of Angle's push were really close, but that got scaled back.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Angle came into the Intercontinental race right away, but after debuting, he had a steady rise to the top. Lesnar beat up on Bubba Dudley and Jeff Hardy...then got shot out of a cannon to the main event.
Guest Just call me Dan Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Exactly. He will have to be buried sometime, everyone gets it. I think his ME career is over after that. Brock = Big Show.
Guest Brian Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Brock is Sid. He's homegrown, so he won't get totally buried. He'll just be forgotten but always around.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 The Lesnar title push is a joke. Let's examine it: He "earned" the shot by winning KOTR. Basically...he didn't need to beat ANY top guys to get there...he beat Bubba, Booker and Test to get to the finals...all of which mean nothing in the WWE's idea of importance. Then he beat a guy that the company won't pull the trigger on (RVD) to win the title shot. So what happens? RVD beats him twice after that because they were too dumb to take the IC belt off of him. Top guys? HE beat Flair...but Flair isn't a long term plan either. And he'll put over whoever they ask him too. That's his job. He beat Hogan. MAn...if only Hogan hadn't put over everyone else first maybe that would have meant something. But Hogan's roll is the same as Flairs now. Come out, big pop, make fans happy...lose the big matches. How you get a title shot without going over anyone worth a damn... yeah...I can see how that didn't work out for them.
Guest Storm Tracker Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 I think giving Brock a major push before he had a chance to develop a character in the mid-cards is going to hurt him in the long run. I watched my WM XII tape the other day. Stone Cold Austin held the Million Dollar belt at the time and battled Savio Vega in a mid-card bout. SCSA got very little reaction from the crowd. Hunter Hearst Helmsley, accompanied by Sable, jobbed for The Ultimate Warrior. He was starting to get some heel heat at this point though. Rocky Maivia was far from over in his early days. After a stint in the Nation of Domination and The People's Champion angle and The Rock really took off. Everybody thought Kurt Angle was a jerk when he first came to the WWF. My point is that although these guys had a rocky start in the WWF, they all had the talent to prove that they are ME performers. The one thing that these four all have in common, is that they all have good mic skills. So ease up on Brock's push and let him develop and maybe we will have another bonafide main eventer in a year or so.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Brock Lesnar should be fueding with midcards, like Rikishi, Decan Basita, Big Show, etc. I don't think fEUding ( thats capitalised for a reason ) with Big Show & Rikishi will get you anywhere, yet alone into the main event... Brock Lesnar is potentially the future of the WWE, no-one can argue that just yet as the guy hasn't even come close to nailing his peak yet. He has a very charismatic manager in Paul Heyman, and i can only see good things to come of that. I agree with you that Lesnar should not be main-eventing the main event of SummerSlam when CHRIS JERICHO was in the KOTR tournament, and would be a much more logical choice. Even if the guy is about 500% over-rated, the fans do actually care about him and dont go dead when he walks down the aisle. Lesnar may surprise us all and really put on a fantastic show with the Rock at SummerSlam....and who knows, Paul Heyman might get laid this week too In all seriousness, A Taker-Lesnar feud for SummerSlam would of been much better, say a hardcore match or something. Then follow this up with a Rock-Angle or Rock-Jericho main event and you have something credible... Vince, you can call me on 1500-TAKER-MARKS-RULE for negotiations on my contract regarding booking This has been the Taker Mark
Guest LesnarLunatic Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 lets just say this.. stopping Brock's push now will kill his momentum and probably kill his career for good.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 You can't kill Brocks push, he is too important. Don't blame the Ratings on any single person, or even persons. It's a downward spiral, Rocks return did dick all, NWO did dick all, the split, good shows, good matches, whatever, not doing anything. The fall cannot be stopped, however it can be slowed down; and perhaps in the future the Wwf can be saved. However, that time is not now, nor will it be any time soon. Here is where Brock is key. They want to get Brock over, but they know they can't make money off of Brock. HOWEVER, they CAN make money off the people who CHALLENGE Brock. It's all in the chase. And the wrestler who eventually beats Brock will be MADE, and THAT wrestler will be the one who will be the one the Wwf wants to make money off of. Yokozuna was created to make Lex Luger (of course, that failed - but the theory was sound. That was more of a talent issue)
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 lets just say this.. stopping Brock's push now will kill his momentum and probably kill his career for good. Agreed, despite what anyone is saying, I'd say it is almost certain that Brock will win the title at Summerslam... Which will be the 5th Title change this year..if it happens This has been the Taker Mark
Guest Flyboy Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 Which will be the 5th Title change this year..if it happens This has been the Taker Mark™ It's a shame really... HHH had it for a month. Hogan had it for a month. Then, the Rock would have held it for a month. The WWE Title has prestige, bah gawd!
Guest nWoScorpion Posted August 9, 2002 Report Posted August 9, 2002 If Brock win's I ain't watching Raw or Smackdown. Thats right, my 2 top shows will be Heat & Velocity. Brock as champion this early is a disgrace to wrestling entertainment. Atleast angle, the cloest resemblance of Brocks "abilities" took 11 months to get the world title, and acutally WON one of the lower titles to start. (european). The last time I balked on WWE was in 1997 when they were in the stupid Gang Warz angle. I watched maybe 2 RAWS from february to november of 1997 and 2 PPVs.
Guest Brian Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 "The last time I balked on WWE was in 1997 when they were in the stupid Gang Warz angle. I watched maybe 2 RAWS from february to november of 1997 and 2 PPVs." Man, there was some really good TV stuck in there. Really good.
Guest humongous2002 Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 Well eventually Brock is going to main even SS no matter what, but I have my doubts that he will win the belt, just because he is not over as a heel at all. If WWE do give him the belt then he will fall flat on his face like the Big Slow, who had the look of a monster heel but the charisma of a slug.Brock is main event material but not now maybe by next year, he's been booked horribly and even if Austin would've jobbed for him he still wouldn't be over. But lets see how far are they going to go with this monster push, I just bet there's a big nosed steroid bastard in the background laughing at Brock ready to step in when everything else fails like the ratings God he thinks he is.
Guest nWoScorpion Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 I'm still kicking myself over the 1997 thing. If watching austin/Bret was the only reason to watch WWF in 1997, I would pass still. The worst year for the big 5 PPV's is 1997 atleast 1995 saved temselves form that categorie with SSeries.
Guest Respect The 'Taker Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 The WWE Title has prestige, bah gawd! What's an even bigger shame? The WWE Title HAD prestige
Guest nWoScorpion Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 2001 was a good year for the title. Angle, Rock, austin were the champs. Then Came Jericho.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 Who was booked as a chump. It wasn't his fault.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 Jericho was a good champ until the Road to Wrestlemania
Guest The Electrifyer Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 Jericho would have been an awesome Champ if the WWE let him win all his matches cleanly. Y2J has the skills to be Champ, but he just wasn't booked right.
Guest Human Fly Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 Brock will get the title at Summerslam, but what happens when he becomes the worst champ since Diesel? They can't just pull the plug on his reign one month into it, that will kill it as well. Once they give it to him they've got to go with him, or destroy his credibility and then they'll have to build him up all over then. This is why it helps if someone is over when you give them the #1 spot in the company.
Guest AndrewTS Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 He'll win the title at SumSlam, sad to say. They'll keep trying.. If I changed my avatar to Brock, BTW, will I jump from OVW to midcarder to Main Event in my status?
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 I honestly don't give a damn what stopping the push at SS will do to his crowd heat. He wasn't over to begin with.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted August 10, 2002 Report Posted August 10, 2002 I think you should care. In an era when the Wwf keeps false starting and abruptly ending things just because they do not meet initial expectations, it is a nice sign to see if they continue on with the Brocks push.
Guest Brian Posted August 11, 2002 Report Posted August 11, 2002 At least until they fall flat on their faces.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted August 11, 2002 Report Posted August 11, 2002 I don't think that will happen. I think the win over the Rock should give Lesnar enough momentum to be successful (well, depending on how the next 2 weeks go - but from what they are doing so far, I am pretty sure it should go well), it is who they pair him up against in the next couple of months that should really matter.
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