Guest GameCop Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 While RVD and Benoit are delivering a ***** classic, the Long Island crowd will yawn. While Angle and Rey are delivering a ****1/2 match, the Long Island crowd will respond with apathy. Unfortunately, no matter how promising the 'workrate' looks for SummerSlam, the crowd will probably kill any emotion that the matches might evoke. As all of you know, crowd participation is critical, and can make or break a match/show. Furthermore, the wrestlers may feel less tempted to perform at a high level - thus, depriving the masses of classic contests. So, in essence, I'll refrain from ordering SummerSlam. Thoughts?!
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 I disagree. RVD is VERY popular in NY and PA, because of ECW. Also, I remember a few SD!'s they ran there back when Foley was GM that had super-hot crowds.
Guest Shaved Bear Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 LI does suck, but alot of people from NYC are going
Guest notJames Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 Yeah, putting the second biggest show of the year in a wind tunnel like Nassau is just asking for a rochambeau. I would stick with places like MSG or anywhere in Texas. The fans just go nuts for everything.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 I disagree. I could care less what the crowd thinks. I stopped listening to them a long time ago. A crowd can determine whether a middling show is thumbs up or thumbs down, but it won't make a good show bad or vice versa. I never understood why many people on this board are so concerned about crowd heat when rating matches.
Guest notJames Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 I disagree. I could care less what the crowd thinks. I stopped listening to them a long time ago. A crowd can determine whether a middling show is thumbs up or thumbs down, but it won't make a good show bad or vice versa. I never understood why many people on this board are so concerned about crowd heat when rating matches. I've never been one to get caught up in doling out snowflakes for matches, especially using crowd heat as a barometer. I think crowd heat is important to the wrestlers more than anything. It gives them incentive to do what they do. It makes them want to go that extra mile to make the fans happy, or at least make them come back. And though I too don't base my opinions on matches/wrestlers on how the crowds react, a loud, rowdy crowd makes for better TV than one that sits on their hands.
Guest Brian Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 "I disagree. RVD is VERY popular in NY and PA, because of ECW. Also, I remember a few SD!'s they ran there back when Foley was GM that had super-hot crowds." Mick Foley was from Long Island, and his pops were mediocre in Nasseu. That says it all. They are a shitty crowd to perform in front of it seems like.
Guest SlowChemical6 Posted August 20, 2002 Report Posted August 20, 2002 You're not going to order a pay-per-view because you think that the crowd might not be hot? No comment...just...no comment.
Guest deadbeater Posted August 22, 2002 Report Posted August 22, 2002 Generating crowd reaction is a very important part of a show. Witness Wrestlemania 18 as an example. Purists may not like the Rock-Hogan match that much, but even they cannot deny the fact that the crowd pulled it into an all-time classic. The European golfers were totally rattled by the pro-US crowd during the last Ryder's cup, when they had a commanding lead going into individual match play and lost. The Nassau Colisseum will get some people from the NYC side of Long Island, Brooklyn and Queens, to make up for the quietude that tends to be Nassau/Suffolk side of LI.
Guest What? Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 Shit, they should have just held it at San Jose Arena again, like last years. That crowd was hot... Hell, I was part of that hot crowd...I couldn't even hear Angle's music when he came out, the place was going so berserk!
Guest Frankie Williams Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 I totally agree about the Nassau crowd. I went to a Raw there back in Nov. and the crowd was so dead that Paul Heyman yelled at us during the commercials. Despite the crowd factor, I am going to see it live and I look foward to it.
Guest FakeRazor Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 Hmm, maybe they should have reversed things and had RAW at Nassau and Summerslam at MSG. Oh well, hopefully the crowd won't be TOO bad in Long Island.
Guest Austin3164life Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 I don't know I think that a hot crowd shouldn't make or break a match. WM 18 was a glorified IYH style ppv with an overrated heat magnet to cover the filler. I was there and Rock/Hogan is the only time where the fans felt like it was WM. Long Island is a rough crowd. With any luck, many NYC fans will go. Have you guys ever wondered if there are a lot of smarks in one arena? Which arena/city do you think is a smark haven?
Guest FakeRazor Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 I don't know I think that a hot crowd shouldn't make or break a match. WM 18 was a glorified IYH style ppv with an overrated heat magnet to cover the filler. I was there and Rock/Hogan is the only time where the fans felt like it was WM. Long Island is a rough crowd. With any luck, many NYC fans will go. Have you guys ever wondered if there are a lot of smarks in one arena? Which arena/city do you think is a smark haven? On my board, there seems to be an abundance of posters from Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania. I see lots of posters from around the Tri-State area on here too. Hell, I'm from Jersey myself!
Guest Austin3164life Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 I think generally, the smarks (or older and more loyal fans) are located in the Northeastern states (Mass, NY, NJ, Penn). That's where pro-wrestling symbolically started, so I guess the true and smart fans are up here.
Guest notJames Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 On my board, there seems to be an abundance of posters from Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania. I see lots of posters from around the Tri-State area on here too. Hell, I'm from Jersey myself! [...takes a quick jaunt over to FR's profile...] Cool, you're from Springfield. I'm from Bloomfield. It's a -field day! (Actually, I used to go to the Common Grounds cafe in Summit a lot before they closed it down. and my wife used to work at the Georgette Klinger spa in Short Hills. So I'm somewhat familiar with the area.) Jersey represent!!! Back to the topic: Yeah, the Northeast seems to have an abundance of smark-licious attitude. Most likely it was furthered by ECW's catering to said smark community. We rule!
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 Generating crowd reaction is a very important part of a show. Witness Wrestlemania 18 as an example. Purists may not like the Rock-Hogan match that much, but even they cannot deny the fact that the crowd pulled it into an all-time classic. Actually, one could argue that, because crowd heat is not a reflection of quality. A crowd doesn't make or break a match. Hence, watching Rock/Hogan and disregarding the crowd makes it obvious that's a bad, bad match.
Guest CanadianHorseman Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 Long Island may be comatose, but nothing can rival East Rutherford New Jersey. Brutal. I am referring, of course, to King of the Ring 2001.
Guest ISportsFan Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 East Rutherford was hot for SummerSlam 1997, but terrible for KOR 2001. Speaking of which, the cities with the best crowds all the time (in my opinion) are (no particular order): Dallas (Raw 2/7/00 was HOT, Fully Loaded 2000 they were into it too) Seattle (disregarding the WCW incidents, they were hot for Spring Stampede 1999 and the Raw/SDown combo 2 weeks ago) Chicago (SummerSlam 1994, WrestleMania XIII specifically Bret/Austin, Backlash 2001, Jericho's debut Raw, they're hot all the time) New York's MSG (WrestleMania X, Survivor Series 1996, SummerSlam 1998, the originals like WM I and SummerSlam 1988, Raw in Sept. 1997, so much more) Hopefully I'm not leaving any good ones out, but I can't think of any others that are on the TOP of the list like these 4. Jason
Guest notJames Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 Long Island may be comatose, but nothing can rival East Rutherford New Jersey. Brutal. I am referring, of course, to King of the Ring 2001. I don't recall how bad the crowd was for that show, but I'll bet they were pretty hot for the Shane/Angle street fight.
Guest deadbeater Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 They were stunned at first, then they went back to the usual apaty.
Guest dreamer420 Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 While RVD and Benoit are delivering a ***** classic, the Long Island crowd will yawn. While Angle and Rey are delivering a ****1/2 match, the Long Island crowd will respond with apathy. Unfortunately, no matter how promising the 'workrate' looks for SummerSlam, the crowd will probably kill any emotion that the matches might evoke. As all of you know, crowd participation is critical, and can make or break a match/show. Furthermore, the wrestlers may feel less tempted to perform at a high level - thus, depriving the masses of classic contests. So, in essence, I'll refrain from ordering SummerSlam. Thoughts?! looks to me like you are making excuses not to order the show, and doing a bad job too.
Guest cabbageboy Posted August 23, 2002 Report Posted August 23, 2002 I'd also say Louisville crowds are good, but only at certain times, if that makes any sense. For example, people here are crazy about Austin (lots of rednecks, heh), crazy about UT (redneck again, though UT has always been popular here). We're not big into ECW guys since ECW never came here. Even RVD gets kind of a lukewarm reaction here, but then again he has jobbed both times I've seen him live so that might have something to do with it. Long Island does suck in terms of being a crowd. I think Louisiana is also a mediocre area but that is due to not getting much WWF stuff over the years I suppose.
Guest LatinoHeat Posted August 24, 2002 Report Posted August 24, 2002 edmonton always has hot crowds and excellent main events like benoit/austin and rvd/eddy ladder match.
Guest DARRYLXWF Posted August 24, 2002 Report Posted August 24, 2002 Australia would have the hottest crowds, if only they showed live shows down here.
Guest Retro Rob Posted August 24, 2002 Report Posted August 24, 2002 I was at the last WWE Event in Long Island. It was a house show in May and the crowd was much more into it than they were for the Raw we got in November of 2001. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, be optimistic because there is still some hope.
Guest Austin3164life Posted August 24, 2002 Report Posted August 24, 2002 To be honest, I live in Rochester, NY (Northwest of NYC), and the crowd we have here is pretty damn good. We had the SD in November of 99 (Thanksgiving special SD) and the ending where everyone comes out and beats each other up with the TG food got the crowd popping well, especially when Rock and Vince came out. I remember after everyone came out, the fans here in Rochester began chanting for Austin to appear, but he was injured. Rochester seems like a smarkish type crowd, because when a SD came in November of 2000, the fans popped HUGE for Austin, and popped normally for Rocky. But I'd say MSG, Houston, Seattle, and Boston are pretty hot crowds.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted August 26, 2002 Report Posted August 26, 2002 I just wanted to :bump: this for the Hell of it.
Guest Retro Rob Posted August 26, 2002 Report Posted August 26, 2002 I really don't want to say that I...told you so.
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