If this HHH thing gets to out of hand...

[Guest HartFan86]

Note: I'm pretty pissed off...so if this needs to go to NHB, so be it.*

 

I was talking to a friend about how 1,300 people have complained to WWE offices concerning the angle last Monday Night and how basically it was probably the most fucking retarded angle ever. Now, thinking the public image just goes to shit on this one and all they get is negative media...could we see Raw next week with an apologize from Vince or Linda about the angle? I can see it happening just on the fact that they want to save their company because quite frankly, shit like this will put people out of business. Scary thing? WCW didn't even do anything *this* stupid.

 

BTW...Gotta love Mick Foley. Leaves the business because WWE sucks, promoted to make a Byte This apperance and cancels out at the last minute. If you go on the seperate thread about it, we basically all agree that Foley probably watched Raw last night to check up on the wrestling world. It's kinda too bad he didn't go on Byte This and just rip everyone in the WWE a new asshole.

 

I'm sure he was disgusted by it. What an insult, huh? Oh, and since I'm really pissed off tonight about this whole situation, I'm gunna use a quote from the beginning of the Wrestlemania 14 opening video package and just take a second and think about it before reading on:

 

"...and somewhere beyond the spot light, the father of the World Wrestling Federation, will reveal in it too."

 

I'm sure he was Monday Night.

 

Then again, Vince could have his body exhumed, raped by HHH, then wins the Heavyweight Title.

 

Oh, and Kevin Dunn. Die you fucking dick. You don't know shit when it comes to improving a wrestling company. You think "soap opera ideas" will fix it? Ha! I dunno....how about you try thing thing that, you know, got you famous in the first place...WRESTLING ITSELF? HOLY SHIT THAT MIGHT JUST WORK.

 

You know, I was watching some old WWF TV eariler this afternoon and I watched the Superstars the morning of Survivor Series 1996 and it was basically all hype for the show. I can't do anything but be depressed watching the amazing promo videos building up to Bret/Austin and how that feud was ALWAYS focused around the wrestling. Those 2 guys feuded for over 6 months and it simply started WWF Atittude. I honestly just sit in my chair and think to myself "Why is the WWE booking staff thinking by diong something like they did on Raw....yet they can't just seem to go back to the basics which basically 95% of the wrestling audience loves...and that's wrestling."

 

You HAVE to love the WWE.com poll. At 1:00 PM this afternoon, 80% of the people thought the hHh thing on Raw was fucking gay....yet it now reads it's almost 50/50. I wonder if HHH tore his bicep for clicking a mouse so much on the computer this afternoon.

 

At least we still have Smackdown with Heyman's bookings which DONT involve this bullshit (Count the Tracy Experiment if you want...but that's totally nothing like Raw is Shit.)

 

And another thing....the only thing that's keeping me in a good mood tonight is Vince got what he deserved that the media doesn't give a fuck about his company's stupid angles. He'll probably blame it on the Sniper Guy and how he'd holding down the WWE and that's why business is so down.

 

Ugh, I better go outside and get some cool air before I start wishing the sniper guy goes to Stamford.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Define "out of hand."

 

It's long been out of hand, but there's nothing you said that other people haven't, or thought about.

 

WWE is starting to resemble a combination of the WCW 2000 reign of terror with the shitty angles, and the height of the Nash-Hall-Hogan politicking of 98 and 98.

 

We all know what happened to WCW...

 

WWE is expected to lose how much money again?

[Guest HartFan86]

Define "out of hand."

Tell you the truth....I really don't know, but don't put it past WWE to do something even worse than what we saw 48 hours ago. Like HHH bringing Katie Vick to the ring and chopping her up with an ax.

 

WWE is expected to lose how much money again?

 

I dunno, but it's all the economy's fault. Vince told me.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Just for comparison, WCW was losing $80 million their last year, and was expected to lose even more the next, so that's why it was cut loose.

[Guest DJ Jeff]

If Vince and company see the poll at wwe.com, then hopefully we won't see crap like we saw on RAW. Then again, Vince only does what he deems good for the company, and as long as the media doesn't rip the WWE apart, he'll stick with the angle. So, we'll probably see some more shit about this Katie Vick chick. Just think, after the Survivor Series, it will all be over with. I'd like to say it will be done before, but it doesn't look that way. *sigh* Why can't Kane be in a better storyline?

[Guest AndrewTS]

If Vince and company see the poll at wwe.com, then hopefully we won't see crap like we saw on RAW. Then again, Vince only does what he deems good for the company, and as long as the media doesn't rip the WWE apart, he'll stick with the angle. So, we'll probably see some more shit about this Katie Vick chick. Just think, after the Survivor Series, it will all be over with. I'd like to say it will be done before, but it doesn't look that way. *sigh* Why can't Kane be in a better storyline?

The poll is fixed, or heavily screwed up.

 

The feedback is more important.

 

And remember next week's Raw ratings...which isn't even right after a PPV.

 

*flush*

 

I can't figure on too many people coming back to watch after that Raw.

[Guest Ram]

The difference between WWE and WCW is the ownership heirarchy. Turner OWNED WCW. The owner of TNN doesn't own WWE, Vince does.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Lost in all this ranting over the retarded angle is something overlooked:

 

This whole angle is going to lead to a Kane/HHH REMATCH! Who in their right mind wanted that match once, let alone on a 2nd PPV? Seriously, just blow this shitty feud off next week on Raw and then give RVD his rematch at Survivor Series. It might not draw a huge buyrate, but I don't think 1300 people will complain.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The difference between WWE and WCW is the ownership heirarchy. Turner OWNED WCW. The owner of TNN doesn't own WWE, Vince does.

...which means not much really in the long run. As low as the ratings drop, as long as it is above the ratings for the usual TNN programs it stays. WCW stayed on easily since it was a pet project of Turner's. Still, the ratings have to sink pretty low before TNN would cut Raw loose.

 

Of course, both of them had some major problems in the higher ups. WCW had guys running it with no clue how to run a wrestling company. Vince had it at one time, but he's clearly getting senile and Steph is a dumbass with less of a clue than him.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

WCW went under because Turner lost power. Had the buck stopped with Ted, he would have kept it no matter how much money it lost.

 

AOL killed WCW.

[Guest mickberna]

AOL killed WCW.

Thank you! AOL killed WCW and is in the process of killing off the rest of it's media outlets. Good for them.

[Guest Trivia247]

I was thinking the Only thing the whole Fucking angle had the slightest positive thing to it is that we finally get the 2 year old debut of scott Vick because they changed the name from Fick to Vick thanks to HHH not being able to pronounce the name the first time.. won't get into the graphic explaination his mouth wasn't functioning well then. But they change the name from Fick to Vick, its almost logical that Scott Vick makes a run in and Beat on Kane for the "Honor" of his Sister, which would lead to a side feud of Kane and Sickboy. while HHH wanders on with another feud he can win with a Sleeperhold...

 

But wait this is the WWE you could at least expect SOME logic from the WWF..

 

Kevin Dunn should get flooded by mail, and all the envelopes should be filled with Human shit!

because thats what his bright ideas amount too

(This comes from the fans of Sam Kinision who sent NBC letters filled with shit in protest of them Censoring Kinision's skits on SNL)

 

and Vince needs to remember this is Fucking Wrestling... Not a Cable soap oprea show on Showtime? a cross between Queer as folks and the Jerry Springer show mixed in with 6 feet under with a Dash of OZ@

 

This is suppose to be WRESTLING VINCE>....HELLO!

[Guest AndrewTS]

WCW went under because Turner lost power.  Had the buck stopped with Ted, he would have kept it no matter how much money it lost.

 

AOL killed WCW.

Thanks for the refresher--and considering how long it was going until finally being turned around (keep in mind that they were going fine until Hogan came in and screwed up the company in the first place), I guess you're right about that.

 

Hell, if Vince had his wealth (and his own TV station) XFL would still be running.

[Guest The Amazing Rando]

I think most of *us* will watch RAW next week just to see how they play it off...IF they play it off and what will happen next...

 

it might have got our attention in all the wrong ways....but it still did and it will get us to watch...

 

so the rating will be a .1 or so...

 

 

Good Job RAW~!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm more upset that Kane's push is continuing than HHH making an ass of himself in that video.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I think most of *us* will watch RAW next week just to see how they play it off...IF they play it off and what will happen next...

Speak for yourself buddy. I haven't watched in weeks except for the TLC match.

 

And you know what happened after THAT!

[Guest Just call me Dan]

If Kane is going to be pushed, so be it. He can outwrestle any other hoss on the roster besides Lesnar and if you are going to have one in the top of the card, it might as well be him. The problem lies in who he works with. If a hoss is going to be pushed he better be on Smackdown. You can't have a slow big guy on a show with a bunch of midcarders and worthless wrestlers. All you have left would be RVD, Booker and Jericho to feud with. Won't draw, won't work. Kane should have been traded to Smackdown and feuded with the better wrestlers instead of Show. He should be in the doghouse until he cuts about a hundred pounds.

[Guest buffybeast]

I was thinking the Only thing the whole Fucking angle had the slightest positive thing to it is that we finally get the 2 year old debut of scott Vick because they changed the name from Fick to Vick thanks to HHH not being able to pronounce the name the first time.. won't get into the graphic explaination his mouth wasn't functioning well then. But they change the name from Fick to Vick, its almost logical that Scott Vick makes a run in and Beat on Kane for the "Honor" of his Sister, which would lead to a side feud of Kane and Sickboy. while HHH wanders on with another feud he can win with a Sleeperhold...

 

!

90% of the audience has no idea who Vick or Sickboy are. It would be absurd to place unknowns in a main even storyline.

 

Although I'd love to see it.

[Guest Smark Hammill]

I'm more upset that Kane's push is continuing than HHH making an ass of himself in that video.

Exactly.

[Guest mach7]

You think that.. at some point.. the constant bitterness about HHH, Kane & this angle would wear off. But I guess it never does. I mean, shit, it happened. It's done. Get over it. I mean, I personally am not a WWE fan these days, but I don't sit here and piss and moan like it's MY company and they have to please ME and my OPINIONS all of the time.

 

The sad truth of the matter is, is that Vince has no competition. If you consider TNA to be competition, then you're sorely mistaken. Jarrett could never have enough cash to compete with McMahon. So, Vince has no competition. He'll do what he wants. It's the only national FREE North American Wrestling product on television today and he knows people'll watch no matter what he does.

 

This isn't a slight at anyone. I'm just surprised that people are taking this angle so offensively considering the stuff Vince has done in the past. I don't know about you, but Triple H pretending to screw a dummy is a lot less offensive than [or at least on the same level as] Mark Henry getting a blowjob from a Transvestite. And it's a lot less insulting to my intelligence than Mae Young giving birth to a FUCKING RUBBER HAND!

 

 

[And on a side-note, why is everyone so obsessed with having Scott Vick/Sick Boy enter this feud? I mean, did he EVER do anything special in WCW, besides SUCK? Seriously. WWE has had this go-nowhere on a developmental deal for how many years? And they still haven't debuted him. I mean, he can't be making that much progress if he's still on a DEVELOPMENTAL deal, you know? Meh, whatever...]

[Guest edotherocket]

I really wonder what they'll do with Kane after this. Generally people have short memories in WWE (both fans and the writers) but I think this stigma is going to stick with Kane for quite some time. He is now the root of such confounding storylines and contradictions (his 'brother' Taker from Death Valley is now Mark from Houston) that any feud he is from now will have to have such an insane/offensive/complicated storyline to make it seem a big deal to a demonic cheer-leader raping drunk driving gay burn victim.

 

In short, how the hell do you maintain a Kane push? What will they come up with next?

[Guest Percivel Pringle the III]

Going back to the Mae Young/Birth to a Hand debacle, I remember shaking my head and wondering why I watched this shit anymore. Same with the BBM/Big Show casket ride of DOOM!!!!(Anyone remember that steaming pile of Russo?) The Katie Vick storyline is bad, I'll give you that, I hated it and it was tasteless, but I think the feelings of everyone about this one angle are heightened because the whole show is shit, and has been shit for a real long time. I just hope that Kane can recoup from this garbage because I think, have always thought actually, that he has a great future for him in this business. After Monday though you have to wonder if this business is gonna be around for him to recover in.

[Guest edotherocket]

Is there a rough agreed upon time-frame for the WWE to turn things around? Vince losing 3 million from his billion dollar empire and WWE being the only free-to-air show on tv means that they can play this game for years before going broke. I'm guessing what would be on Vince's mind more is when RAW's contract is up for renewal (2 years away?).

[Guest the 1inch punch]

. Same with the BBM/Big Show casket ride of DOOM!!!!(Anyone remember that steaming pile of Russo?)

That wasnt Russo, he was gone by then, it was Terry Taylor

[Guest HartFan86]

. Same with the BBM/Big Show casket ride of DOOM!!!!(Anyone remember that steaming pile of Russo?)

That wasnt Russo, he was gone by then, it was Terry Taylor

Actually, if you watched Confidential last weekend they interview the guy who actually did that angle. It wasn't Terry Taylor...some other guy.

[Guest Percivel Pringle the III]

Oh guys I know it wasn't Russo, just Russo-like. Sorry for the confusion.

[Guest netslob]

And another thing....the only thing that's keeping me in a good mood tonight is Vince got what he deserved that the media doesn't give a fuck about his company's stupid angles. He'll probably blame it on the Sniper Guy and how he'd holding down the WWE and that's why business is so down

 

 

see, why couldn't the Sniper do something worthwhile and go to Stamford and shoot Vince? ...and Steph...and HHH...and Lawler...

[Guest The Hamburglar]

The Big Show - Bossman feud was one of the greatest things ever. It was pure art. If you didn't find Big Show holding onto his father's coffin as a cackling Bossman drove away with it you have no sense of humour. That entire angle was so hilariously warped I shed a tear just thinking of it.