Heat and Velocity Titles...

[Guest papacita]

I'm sitting here watching Heat...this is probably the first time I've watched the show in the last 2 or 3 months and this idea just popped into my head: Should titles be created to be defended strictly on Heat and Velocity? Like a TV Title or something like that, just to give the Heat/Velocity wrestlers something somewhat meaningful to fight for. I didn't much thought into the idea, but I'm interested in hearing what you all think.

[Guest MrRant]

Only problem with that is that it could be considered a jobber title.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

Nope. Maybe if they lightened up on the highlights from the major shows.

[Guest BifEverchad]

They recently got rid of the Intercontinental Title, the European Title and the Hardcore Title, why the HELL would they want to create a "Heat/Velocity Title"??

[Guest dreamer420]

There are enough titles as it is I think. Jobbers don't need there own title.

[Guest RedJed]

Speaking of Heat, Lita is fucking so annoying in the color role. I said fuck it 10 minutes in and put it on mute and turned on some Audioslave.

 

BTW, no way in hell should they have titles for the jobber shows. Now if they would have used the Euro title on Heat and the HC title on Velocity mroe often than on the big shows, that would have been ok. But to make a title exclusive to these throwaway shows would be a bad idea.

[Guest Ram]

Did you hear her during the D'Lo match?

 

UGH.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Hey...HHH could use another hour wrestling guys like D Lo and Justin Credible..

 

There already is a Velocity Title - The Cruiser Title.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

if they make a Heat title, it needs to go to Raven. Plain an simple. But I don't think there should be a Heat title.

[Guest art_vandelay]

What kind of a push would this title give the supposed champion if he is relegated to a b-show because of it? I think it's a good idea to give the Heat stars something to fight for, but not a title.

 

They should make Heat a comedy show, filled with comedy matches and stoned commentators. It wouldn't hurt their reputations, because no one is watching anyway.

[Guest papacita]

My reason behind wanting to create a title for the secondary shows is to give the Heat/Velocity guys something meaningful to do and to give fans a little more incentive to watch the show. I don't usually watch Heat or Velocity regularly, but when I do, for the most part they just seem to stick guys into matches for no other reason than to have them wrestle, and while I like good wrestling, without the drama that comes with Raw and Smackdown, the shows become kinda bland. I think that it could make the shows a little more interesting if they added a title and made it the focus of the show with all other wrestlers competing to get the belt. Since a lot of Heat/Velocity wrestlers don't appear on Raw and Smackdown, they could increase the belt's importance by creating a rule where the champion gets an automatic spot on one of the main shows, which would be a good way to get guys like D-Lo and Raven back on Raw. For instance, Raven could win the belt, go to Raw for a while and get involved in a program with somebody like the Bubba or Dreamer while still defending the title every week on Heat. As soon as Raven's established as a significant player on Raw, he can drop the belt to his #1 challenger, who then goes onto Raw as well so in addition to making Heat more interesting, you get an easy way to transition fresh faces onto Raw. In order for that to work though, it would require the champion to be put over somewhat on Raw...so I dunno how that would work, but if handled right I think it could really help out both shows.

 

Just an idea.

[Guest buffybeast]

They should give these guys more meaningful feuds. That would attract attention. Creating titles won't work, IMO.

 

I like what they have been doing with Raven in terms of giving him feuds. Ditto with Dlo on HEAT and Albert/Funaki on Velocity.

[Guest dreamer420]

but if velocity had a title then Albert might actually get some kind of title reign.

[Guest art_vandelay]

But don't you guys agree that a show completely devoted to comedy matches would be a good idea? It also doubles as a crowd exciter before Raw, where the real shit goes down. And I do mean SHIT.

[Guest papacita]

It livens the crowd up, but it also makes it harder for the fans to take these guys seriously down the line. A comedy show would be counterproductive IMO.

[Guest art_vandelay]

But can't that be said about all comedy gimmicks? Will people take Matt Hardy, John Cena, or Randy Orton seriously in the future? Are people taking Edge seriously now? I think so. Wrestling fans have short term memories, they can forget the goofiness of a character if he's pushed seriously later on.

[Guest papacita]

I really don't consider Hardy, Cena and Orton to be purely comedy characters, and Edge is taken seriously because he wins. My problem with an all-comedy heat is A: you've gotta consider the mic skills and acting abilities of the Heat guys, and B: having an all comedy show takes away the uniqueness of comedy wrestlers in general. Also, a comedy show would mean that wrestlers would get pushes based more on their acting abilities more than their athletic ability, which just holds down good talent even more.

[Guest papacita]

Double

[Guest papacita]

Triple

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Yikes. That's getting a point across! It's a good idea, but I think that meaningful storylines will do more for a character than a title. The moving to and fro RAW is another good idea, but then what would become of the RAW guys? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't look like HHH would be willing to give up any of his 30 minutes for anyone else to get over any time soon.

[Guest AndrewTS]

They'd already made a title for HHH and created new tag team titles.

 

Making two more would not only make them look crappy, but it would be considered too lowly. Another title should not be made unless it's a midcard one like the IC.

 

Which won't happen since that would be admitting it was a stupid idea to get rid of it.

[Guest art_vandelay]

I really don't consider Hardy, Cena and Orton to be purely comedy characters,

 

Well those we're the types of characters I had in mind when I proposed the idea.

 

and Edge is taken seriously because he wins.

 

Which is proof that comedy gimmicks will be forgotten if the proper push is given after they are dropped.

 

 

My problem with an all-comedy heat is A: you've gotta consider the mic skills and acting abilities of the Heat guys,

 

Are comedy gimmicks that hard to pull off? Test has been pretty successful. Even Al Wilson as Fonzie 2 weeks ago was great. I don't think a Johnny Stamboli would have trouble.

 

and B: having an all comedy show takes away the uniqueness of comedy wrestlers in general.

 

I don't really know what uniqueness there is to begin with when talking about something like this. It's certainly sounds better than watching vanilla wonder A vs. vanilla wonder B.

 

Also, a comedy show would mean that wrestlers would get pushes based more on their acting abilities more than their athletic ability, which just holds down good talent even more.

 

And how many wrestlers on Heat are actually getting pushed because of their athletic ability right now? It's always either their look or something else, with the exception of a few (D'Lo is the only one that comes to mind).

[Guest Trivia247]

There are enough titles as it is I think. Jobbers don't need there own title.

Yea each show Has a World title a Tag team title and Smackdown got a Cruiserweight belt no one defenses and Raw got the Women titles...

 

yea the REST of the Roster shouldn't have titles to fight for to help them build up their images and popuarity. Screw everyone else and only have the Main Eventers with the belts.. woo hoo thats entertainment.

[Guest papacita]

Which is proof that comedy gimmicks will be forgotten if the proper push is given after they are dropped.

 

Not really. Even when he was a comedic wrestler, Edge was booked strongly and tended to win. Factor that in with his look, mic skills and charisma and you've got a success. How do you think fans would react if Edge's push was given to...say...Planet Stasiak.

 

Are comedy gimmicks that hard to pull off? Test has been pretty successful. Even Al Wilson as Fonzie 2 weeks ago was great. I don't think a Johnny Stamboli would have trouble.

That's more of an opinion thing than anything else. I personally didn't find Al Wilson funny, and I think part of Test's "success" can be credited to Stacy. I personally don't see the good in putting guys with poor mic skills in comedy skits unless you're trying to draw attention to just how poor those skills are, which definitely won't help that wrestler out in the long run.

 

And how many wrestlers on Heat are actually getting pushed because of their athletic ability right now? It's always either their look or something else, with the exception of a few (D'Lo is the only one that comes to mind).

But wrestlers SHOULD be pushed more for their athletic ability than for their looks/acting ability. Unless you'd want more Big Shows and Bradshaws running around on Raw, I can't see how holding down pure talent can be a good thing in the long run.

[Guest deadbeater]

Now that the titles are condensed, then the stories for the other wrestlers will have to be so compelling that we forget that there are no titles at stake. But since that is not happening soon, the wrestlers will drift.

[Guest papacita]

The moving to and fro RAW is another good idea, but then what would become of the RAW guys? I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't look like HHH would be willing to give up any of his 30 minutes for anyone else to get over any time soon.

Well if the writers implemented this title, hopefully they'd be smart enough to decrease some of HHH's TV time in order to make room for incoming Heat guys (stop laughing!). As for the Raw guys...I'd just make them work to maintain their spot on the show. If they're not holding up their end, then send them back down to Heat to re-establish themselves or something. I dunno. It really all depends on how serious the writers are about getting the Heat guys over.

[Guest BA_Baracus]

Nope.

 

Why create a belt and basically say "this belt is worthless and no matter what will always be worthless"?

 

I think each show brand should have 1 "word title", 1 mid-card title (the IC for Raw, and maybe revive the US or possibly ECW title for Smackdown), a pair of tag titles and then Smackdown can have the Cruiser belt and Raw can have the women's belt.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Maybe a TV title for Heat, but nothing for Velocity. For some reason, a D-Lo vs. Steven Richards feud over a belt just doesn't interest me though

[Guest Cavi]

I'm personally waiting for a King of Syndication Match - Albert vs. Raven. Before the match starts, Saturn could come out and cut a promo about how he used to be the King of Jakked. That would set up one hell of a triple threat bout.