Guest Goodear Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 You know, when someone works your back for about 3 minutes, locks on their secondary finisher, and hits it with a chair, you really shouldn't just pop the hell up and Angleslam them off the middle rope like nothing had happened. And then engage in a three minute debate with another guy without even whincing from the match. Kurt needs to take a look at Benoit's match against Chavo and how he sold the ribs even while hitting moves, because Angle is way too quick to forget injuries when he transitions from defense.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Damn That Angle! Fire Him! No Really, I don't care about the little "No-Sells" like that. Everyone pretty much does it. It only bugs me when the Hosses No Sell everything and when someone like RVD or HBK get their backs or Legs worked ALL match then do 18 back flips or HBK's "Famous" Kick up.
Guest Brian Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 I've brought this up a lot, and gotten used to the fact he does it like most WWE'ers, so it's not a big deal for me anymore. It's just one of those things, that unfortunately, probably won't change with him where he is.
Guest Goodear Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 It only bugs me when the Hosses No Sell everything and when someone like RVD or HBK get their backs or Legs worked ALL match then do 18 back flips or HBK's "Famous" Kick up. I think Angle is starting to get into that territory with me, which is why I thought I would draw some attention to it. Although with Angle, its less of a kipup as a "I counter your submission hold into the anklelock WHOO" sort of deal. I pretty much have gotten to the point where once Angle does that, I know that his selling quota is done for the day. I guess I'm just resentful of all the 'top three wrestler on earth' kind of hype.
Guest Brian Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Oh yeah. Angle's not as close. He's like a step off Benoit and guerrero. Mysterio can be, and I think Knoble too.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Like I said, little things like that don't bug me. Even guys like Bret Hart & Ric Flair would do it. Bret would get his back or legs worked on, lets say by Owen, and then go off and do the Elbow off the Second Turnbuckle, or the Side Russian Leg Sweep even though his own back was worked on. Ric Flair was just crazy in the ring. That guy would get his legs worked on for 15 minutes then start running around and hitting the ropes full speed, doing the Flair Flop in the corner, etc. Even Flair was weird with his work. He would work a guys arm, then go to the guy neck with headlocks, then to the legs, then the back, like he couldn't ever make up his own mind how he wanted to work the match.
Guest Choken One Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Which is why flair wasn't always a perfered guy to work with...Didn't Shane Douglas DISPISE flair purely on the fact Flair didn't plan the matches out?
Guest Brian Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 That's not bad, because Ric Flair was all about working the guy down as the whole and getting him to a point of total exhaustion on the ground so he could apply the figure four and they couldn't fight out of it. It's be the same as if Angle went and attacked people's mid-section, arms, and leg to take away their base of power to escape the anklelock.
Guest Slapnuts00 Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Send that Angle down to OVW for some seasoning, so he can work on his fundamentals with Danny Davis. This aint ballet, ya know.
Guest nikowwf Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Me thinks we are complaining a wee bit too much when we are making KURT ANGLE complaint topics... niko
Guest Nevermortal Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 The best selling that I've ever seen live is the Briscoe v. Briscoe match at the 8/24 RoH show. Jay Briscoe works on Mark Briscoe's leg the whole match, Mark attempts a springboard, but slips off the top and clutches at his leg, then gets the springboard (finally), and sells it in midair, allowing Jay Briscoe to move out of the way. Tremendous. One of my top ten matches this year.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Umm, I think they're just making a point about bashing Edge or whomever for no-selling (esp. when he's up against Angle), when Angle himself isn't entirely innocent of that.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Damn that Triple K! He can't do anything right!
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Umm, I think they're just making a point about bashing Edge or whomever for no-selling (esp. when he's up against Angle), when Angle himself isn't entirely innocent of that. Well, the first reply pretty much admitted that (he thinks) it's okay for Angle to do it, but *heaven forbid* RVD do it. That's pretty favoritistic and it makes his opinion null and void in my opinion.
Guest creativename Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 I really don't think it's appropriate for people to say that we are "complaining too much" about Angle's no-selling. Angle's no-selling is perhaps the most blatant no-selling I've seen (short of comic book characters and monster hosses of course). He doesn't make any sort of attempt to sell a damn thing. Whether it be a high impact move or a submission finisher (e.g. Crossface, Lasso), Angle always get right back up, countering away, hitting all his moves and not acting fazed at all. It's like, "Whoa, this guys is kicking my ass...well, an Anke-Lock/Angle-Slam should take care of that!!" Don't get me wrong, I still love the guy, he's uber-talented and usually very entertaining. However I grew tired of his no-selling a while ago. I just try to ignore it, like other people. I also think that Edge's selling puts Angle's to absolute shame. However I have many problems with Edge's character beyond just the infamous "selling issue".
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Umm, I think they're just making a point about bashing Edge or whomever for no-selling (esp. when he's up against Angle), when Angle himself isn't entirely innocent of that. Well, the first reply pretty much admitted that (he thinks) it's okay for Angle to do it, but *heaven forbid* RVD do it. That's pretty favoritistic and it makes his opinion null and void in my opinion. I was primarily talking about Goodear, the creator of this thread, and not FearHavoc, who wrote the first reply (what you're talking about).
Guest Anglesault Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Which is why flair wasn't always a perfered guy to work with...Didn't Shane Douglas DISPISE flair purely on the fact Flair didn't plan the matches out? Doesn't Douglas pretty much despise anyone who became successsful in the business for one reason or another?
Guest RickyChosyu Posted November 22, 2002 Report Posted November 22, 2002 Angle sacrifices selling for flashy bumps just as much as anyone in the WWE, if not more. This isn't new territory for him.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted November 23, 2002 Report Posted November 23, 2002 Umm, I think they're just making a point about bashing Edge or whomever for no-selling (esp. when he's up against Angle), when Angle himself isn't entirely innocent of that. Well, the first reply pretty much admitted that (he thinks) it's okay for Angle to do it, but *heaven forbid* RVD do it. That's pretty favoritistic and it makes his opinion null and void in my opinion. I was primarily talking about Goodear, the creator of this thread, and not FearHavoc, who wrote the first reply (what you're talking about). Yeah, I know. I kept it vague because a few people echoed his statements and I wanted all of them to know how I felt.
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