How are the WWE buyrates lately

[Guest PhillyDogg]

Does anybody know how the Survior Series did?

[Guest HartFan86]

From what I heard, WWE isn't releasing their buyrates anymore...which makes you wonder how bad they really are.

[Guest IB2BLACK]

It just happened a couple of weeks ago, even boxing matches buyrates aren't known that quick.

[Guest teke184]

The last preliminary buyrates I got from Dave Meltzer were for Unforgiven and No Mercy, and both were at about a 0.53.

 

To compare, people were freaking out over a 0.8 LAST year when Rob Van Dam made his appearance in the main event at No Mercy, despite the fact that DirecTV wasn't carrying WWE PPVs at the time.

[Guest bob_barron]

.53??????????????????

 

Do you know other buyrates for this year teke?

[Guest teke184]

From Survivor Series 2001 to King of the Ring 2002:

 

Survivor Series 1.1

Vengeance 0.7

Rumble 1.6

No Way Out 1.1

Wrestlemania 1.6

Backlash 0.8

Judgement Day 0.7

King of the Ring 0.6

 

I'm pretty sure that the buyrate numbers in my Observers since then say that Vengeance, No Mercy, and Unforgiven were all in the 0.5-0.6 range, while Summerslam was closer to a 0.8-0.9.

[Guest bob_barron]

1.6 for the RR??? Wow- Well HHH was a draw his first month.

 

I'm suprised KOTR did that well but it could've been people wondering what The Rock was gonna do and maybe seeing if they could survive w/o Austin.

 

I'm shocked Summerslam didn't do better

[Guest teke184]

As for Summerslam, It's easier to make these numbers go down than up. If Vince hadn't injected poison into his product for six months beforehand, Summerslam would have had a buyrate to rival at LEAST the Rumble.

 

And the Rumble can be attributed to MANY things, so I wouldn't put HHH at the top of the list for reasons why. Even if he was the reason, it only popped one buyrate before Vince brought in the nWo to pop another, then it was all downhill from Wrestlemania.

 

BTW, that Wrestlemania had the lowest buyrate in several years. IIRC, Wrestlemanias 15-17 all had higher buyrates.

 

What this is signalling to me is that they're getting back to the core audience they had in 1998 before Austinmania was allowed to run wild.

 

Hopefully Vince realizes this soon and creates a new star... and NOT a ten-time loser like Albert or Test but, instead, someone with TALENT who either needs that final push to be seen as a top guy (Angle, Benoit, Jericho, RVD) or someone who needs their first taste of it (Eddy, Edge, etc.).

[Guest bob_barron]

Flair's return to the ring and Jericho v. Rock probably helped but most of the hype was on Triple H.

 

I think the popularity of the Rumble gimmick also played a role.

 

Even Austin at first had trouble doing great buyrates. Over the Edge only drew a .58

[Guest teke184]

Yes, Austin may have had trouble at first, but Vince didn't cut HIS legs out from under him. That's the main difference between Vince in 1998 and Vince in 2002/2003... He has no patience to build up a new guy or, if he does, something will go differently than he planned it and he'll panic as a result.

 

That's happening with Brock Lesnar right now. Things were going fine with him for a few months but they couldn't find anyone obvious for him to feud with at Survivor Series. Then we got massive backstage debates over who would get that slot (Edge, Angle, Benoit, Hogan, Show). After Hogan opted out because he refused to job again, we got Show. Once the Brock vs. Lennox Lewis fight got postponed indefinately, Vince started pissing and moaning about how his genius idea wasn't going to work and pulled the rug out from Brock in favor of Show.

 

Granted, things ARE working out now, but what really matters is how they build Angle-Lesnar for the next few months into Wrestlemania because if Angle has to start cleaning up dogshit because Paul E. is making him take care of Brock's dog that he dognapped, it isn't going to work.

[Guest bob_barron]

I think the Survivor Series buyrate will be interesting to see also. I know they made a lot of money at the gate but factoring in the cost of the chamber they probably have to do a good one.

 

I think the slow burn for Angle v. Lesnar will work- they have to make people WANT to see this match so badly.

[Guest teke184]

The slow burn isn't a problem for Brock-Angle... Vince deciding to blow his load early or to undercut them in favor of Crips vs. Nash vs. HBK is a problem.

[Guest Anglesault]

Granted, things ARE working out now, but what really matters is how they build Angle-Lesnar for the next few months into Wrestlemania because if Angle has to start cleaning up dogshit because Paul E. is making him take care of Brock's dog that he dognapped, it isn't going to work.

They are very, very close. Angle doesn't look credible at all, and he is a lackey to Big Show and Heyman. The sidebar champion to a Brock/Heyman feud. It shall be several weeks before Angle is fetching lubricant for Heyman and taking the Big Show for a walk.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I don't know for sure about buyrates...but attendance is pretty sad.

 

A recent show at Nassau Coliseum had 1,500 people. That's just like the business WCW was doing in its final year.

[Guest bob_barron]

They just recently set a gate record at MSG so it's not all bad

[Guest buffybeast]

I remember a time when any buyrate under a 1.0 was considered a failed ppv. My how times change.

[Guest teke184]

Bob, MSG is the only place selling out these days. When you have PAY PER VIEWS that are getting the black tarp treatment COUGHnomercyCOUGH, there are problem.s

[Guest HartFan86]

I'd like to see the buyrate for Vengeance, the biggest throw away PPV ever.

[Guest teke184]

Vengeance's buyrates were about 0.53 from what I remember... which is the same as Unforgiven and No Mercy which were ALSO throwaway PPVs for the most part.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

You know what's funny...

 

due to Rumble and MAnia being big shows, and the NWO hype going into No Way Out...

 

Jericho's title reign was far and away the most successful buyrate period in recent times.

[Guest teke184]

You know what's funny...

 

due to Rumble and MAnia being big shows, and the NWO hype going into No Way Out...

 

Jericho's title reign was far and away the most successful buyrate period in recent times.

[Vincelogic] But he couldn't put asses in seats at Vengeance with Austin-Rock being teased, him being jobbed out beforehand, and having the 101st Airborne help him win both matches at Vengeance.

 

*Patterson says Vengeance still drew better than Taker-HHH at KOTR*

 

But... but Hunter was injured...

 

[/Vincelogic]

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

Flair's return to the ring and Jericho v. Rock probably helped but most of the hype was on Triple H.

 

I think the popularity of the Rumble gimmick also played a role.

 

Even Austin at first had trouble doing great buyrates. Over the Edge only drew a .58

The main draw of the show was Triple H, though.

 

I know for a fact that i purchased the show just to see Trips, as before his injury, i was pretty much the biggest HHH-Mark you could find.

 

...how times change

 

Illusion