Guest NoCalMike Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 HOSSES ARE ALL THE SAME......Most of the hosses in the WWE have no character AT ALL......the Taz/Cole/Ross/Lawler just marvel at their size and a powerslam or two, and expect them to be over just for that. It is almost funny, though, because I have felt this way for the longest time. Something just compelled me to post this outburst right now tonight. Has anyone noticed how less over Brock seems when he is not throwing around some small cruiserweight wrestler? It seems like the new movement in the WWE is going back towards the HOSS specimens and I am not sure where that will lead besides more horrible quality wrestling.
Guest creativename Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Has anyone noticed how less over Brock seems when he is not throwing around some small cruiserweight wrestler? Throwing around cruiserweights is the last thing Brock needs. Brock is over because he was pushed to the moon, has the look, and has a unique moveset. Turning him into Bill Demott would destroy his heat. I didn't see the match--there's no way I'm wasting 10 minutes of my life watching an Albert match--in fact, I stopped watching right after the Benoit-Benjamin match ended (I absolutely loved that match, as well as the NWA-style beatdown, BTW). So I don't know how much heat Brock was getting. But there's only so much heat someone can get in an Albert match, or when completely squashing Matt Hardy (last week). Brock's heat has faded recently because he hasn't really been going anywhere; hopefully, he'll get more over again when (if) he's being demolished by Team Angle and mounting the odd comeback/punking them out here and there.
Guest BoboBrazil Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Just wait until Nathan Jones shows up. Then we will have Big Show, Albert, Bill Demott, and him all getting the same monster push at once. It is really getting ridiculous. One guy getting the big monster push is fine, but not this many at once.
Guest notJames Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Apparently, Jones is playing a Hannibal Lechter-esque sadistic genius character, so hopefully he won't be just another one off the Hoss Cookie Cutter.
Guest Choken One Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Will he WRESTLE like Hannibal? no, He wrestles just like Albert, only worse.
Guest Goodear Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Uhm... Albert wrestles nothing like Brock who wrestles nothing like DeMott who wrestles nothing like Big Show who wrestles nothing like B2. This is like saying Benoit and Angle are cookie cutter duplicates since they both use German suplexes.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Brock is the only one who should be getting this 'kill everything' push. But Big Show isn't, cos he jobs almost every match, albert's only victory of importance was against rey and he still went nowhere, DeMott isn't progressing up the card, B2 is looking like more of a tag wrestler and batista hangs out with samoans in horrible openers. So technically they're not all getting the goldberg push, it's just that they're all on tv at once. Bad as that is, none of them are winning the title anytime soon.
Guest humongous2002 Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Nathan Jones is another hoss that will stink up the Smackdown rings, and this Brock express is making me sick.
Guest cabbageboy Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 It could be much much worse. I remember back 10 years ago when you had the WWF fascination with really fat fucks. Yokozuna, Earthquake, Bastion Booger...it was just revolting to watch these slobs. At least most of the current hosses are big dudes that are in shape. Aside from Albert of course.
Guest Fook_Hing_Ho Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 At least most of the current hosses are big dudes that are in shape. Aside from Albert of course. Since when is Big Show in any kind of shape?
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Uhm... Albert wrestles nothing like Brock who wrestles nothing like DeMott who wrestles nothing like Big Show who wrestles nothing like B2. This is like saying Benoit and Angle are cookie cutter duplicates since they both use German suplexes. Right...here's a breakdown, as well as proof that I have given these hosses a chance. Demott: Pick a body part, attack that body part in the most boring ways possible. Hit a finisher that doesn't affect that body part at all for the pin. Big Show: Basic moves from Show, headbutts, maybe a big boot, clothesline, or back elbow. Chokeslam, pin. B-2: Brawl a lot, throw in that neat jumping kick/clothesline when you get an opening. Booker-T-esque kicks used as transition moves--he used a scissor kick even in the RTC, I don't know about now. I don't see him win too often. See? Quite different. Edit: On rare occasions I've seen Big Show do a Vertical Suplex.
Guest Goodear Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Right, they aren't all good or nothing (most aren't)... but they don't wrestle the same.
Guest NoCalMike Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 My original point(hard to see since I posted it late at night during my insomnia time) was that a guy like Brock that offers nothing much in terms of a character has a lot of "awe" taken away from him when he is put in the ring with guys that are just as big or BIGGER than him. Albert was bigger than him, even though Brock is clearly a better wrestler, but the marks don't really care about that. They see Albert throw Brock around a bit and that is what they remember. The problem with all these hosses, is that none of them are good enough at almost ANY ASPECT of the wrestling/entertainment, besides maybe ummm...power moves, but if they can all do those, then what sets them apart?
Guest Adrian 3:16 Posted January 10, 2003 Report Posted January 10, 2003 Apparently, Jones is playing a Hannibal Lechter-esque sadistic genius character, so hopefully he won't be just another one off the Hoss Cookie Cutter. Exactly. By all accounts he can't wrestle either, but at least he'll have a personality, which is more than you can say for Albert, Demott, etc.
Guest Mystery Eskimo Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 You're all forgetting the other hoss who no one gives a crap about, Batista. But then so is the WWE given that DeMott stole his finisher. It's pretty pathetic though. All these wrestlers have the exact same character - they're big and angry. Wow, deep stuff. At least Jones sounds like he may have a slightly different role. He'll still suck of course.
Guest AndrewTS Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 You're all forgetting the other hoss who no one gives a crap about, Batista. But then so is the WWE given that DeMott stole his finisher. It's pretty pathetic though. All these wrestlers have the exact same character - they're big and angry. Wow, deep stuff. At least Jones sounds like he may have a slightly different role. He'll still suck of course. Sorry, I don't give a shit about Blahtista either, the top up-and-coming hoss on Raw who would get zero reaction without Flair. *Blahtista's theme plays, he comes out with Ric* Crowd: WHOOOOO!!! Jackie gets more of a reaction than him by himself. He has NO character whatsoever. From what I've seen, he brawls and does a few token power moves, then a spinebuster. I expect him to injure some people soon with his sloppiness.
Guest The Old Me Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 I happen to like Brock and think he hasn't even begun to break out of his shell yet. I'm not sure about Nathan Jones, as I haven't heard he's so great in the ring. I hope they don't job Lesnar to Jones, unless he is really getting way over Brock.
Guest Brian Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Jones sounds like a Heyman idea but he belongs on RAW. It's not just the hoss thing but if his push fails, it's easier to scale back there. You just have him squash some jobbers. Have him cut pseudo-intellectual promos. But all of a sudden, he starts losing. All he shows is force in the ring, no strategy and his opponents take advantage of that. Then, finally Raven interferes to save him, and later it's revealed that he's part of Raven's plan, as Raven's enforcer. Raven could easily take over someone of lesser intelligence, brainwash him or what-not, and feed him lines to make him look like something he's not. I don't want to see a flock, but that could be sorta cool.
Guest The Old Me Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Jones sounds like a Heyman idea but he belongs on RAW. It's not just the hoss thing but if his push fails, it's easier to scale back there. You just have him squash some jobbers. Have him cut pseudo-intellectual promos. But all of a sudden, he starts losing. All he shows is force in the ring, no strategy and his opponents take advantage of that. Then, finally Raven interferes to save him, and later it's revealed that he's part of Raven's plan, as Raven's enforcer. Raven could easily take over someone of lesser intelligence, brainwash him or what-not, and feed him lines to make him look like something he's not. I don't want to see a flock, but that could be sorta cool. Doesn't sound bad in theory, but a) I don't think WWE will push Raven outside of Heat and b) I think they are brining Jones in a "super intelligent" psycho, so Raven wouldn't be able to brainwash him.
Guest Brian Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 But the whole point is that Jones was never super intelligent, it was all just Raven in the background pulling the strings and feeding him the lines.
Guest Human Fly Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Jones has been stinking up WWA rings for a while. I don't care how good this gimmick is he should still be going to OVW.
Guest Quik Posted January 11, 2003 Report Posted January 11, 2003 Oh please Brian, creative booking like that has no fucking place on WWE TV.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 I hate batista the most because he has never said or done anything. At least albert looks, uh, different. And I met DeMott and he was a nice guy. so I don't hate him really. I like brock and show fine. I'll give batista this, though, he has the best lariat in WWE.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 It would probably be better to have Raven try to brainwash and 'corrupt' Jones but have Jones reveal himself to be mentally superior to Raven.
Guest Quik Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 I think Nathan Jones should come in with a gimmick of being a wanna-be "Nathan's Hot Dog-Eating Contest" champion. Before every match, he challenges his opponent to a hot dog eating contest, only to kick them in the balls mid-bite. Instant motherfucking heel-heat, BIATCH~!
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Quik...I'm going to use that schtick if I work the indies as a heel...
Guest The Hamburglar Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Nathan Jones should be an evil cricket player. A demon fast bowler.
Guest The Old Me Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Paint Jones black, bring back Saba Simba and they can be a tag team, "The Aborigine's". The kids will love it!
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted January 12, 2003 Report Posted January 12, 2003 Im just guessing here, but Im thinking that DeMott will lose his push after TE is over.. Nathan Jones' character could make him stand out from the rest of the hosses.. The thing with Batista is that he was on Smackdown following Reverend D-Von around and doing a bunch of nothing in a go no where angle. Had he not done that before doing this monster gimmick, it might have taken off a bit faster.. I think Nathan Jones should come in with a gimmick of being a wanna-be "Nathan's Hot Dog-Eating Contest" champion. Before every match, he challenges his opponent to a hot dog eating contest, only to kick them in the balls mid-bite. Instant motherfucking heel-heat, BIATCH~! The first person he should challenge is Funaki then..
Guest Plushy Al Logan Posted January 14, 2003 Report Posted January 14, 2003 It could be much much worse. I remember back 10 years ago when you had the WWF fascination with really fat fucks. Yokozuna, Earthquake, Bastion Booger...it was just revolting to watch these slobs. At least most of the current hosses are big dudes that are in shape. Aside from Albert of course. What the Hell is wrong with Tenta?
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