Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 1. Watering down the nWo and never giving the hottest stable in the history of the business a chance to get over. 2. The roster split, which has ruined the product. The ONLY positive that came out of this was saving workers like Benoit, Angle, Mysterio, etc. from HHH's politics. 3. Making Stephanie f'n McMahon and Brian Gerwitz the head writers. 4. Driving Steve Austin away. 5. RAW X...enough said. 6. Failing to repair the relationship with Bret "Hitman" Hart. 7. The Dawn Marie/Al Wilson/Torrie FARCE, which has lead to some of the worst television that I have ever seen in my entire life (I muted my TV just to escape Dawn's annoying "seductive" voice and bad acting). 8. Letting HHH's ego run wild on RAW. 9. Dropping the Intercontinental title. 10. Failing to deliver on the big RVD push (also see: #8). 11. Necrophilia angles...need I say more? 12. Taking the tag team titles away from Booker & Goldust after it took them 8 months of chasing heatless tag teams to get the damn belts. 13. Attempting to push Test to the moon with a comedy mid-card wrestler's gimmick. 14. Trying to squash Jericho like a bug. By the way...you failed miserably here, WWE, because Jericho is the most entertaining man on RAW and you will never succeed in killing him off as hard as you try. 15. Pissing off Hulk Hogan. 16. The Undertaker gimmick swerve...you fucking bastards. 17. Placing Matt Hardy, the most entertaining man on Smackdown!, in the doghouse because he speaks the truth. But I guess WWE doesn't like the truth...how'd you like those chants from the crowd at RAW X, Vince? 18. Opening every single RAW with a women's division match. 19. Taking away time from matches on RAW when the segments BLOW. 20. HLA...when is Vince going to get it through his toupee that B-grade T&A and shock TV is not going to save the company? 21. Michael Cole is still employed. 22. The Linda McMahon conference call, which showed total disrespect for WWE fans and stock holders. A total insult to our intelligence. 23. HHH running in on the HBK vs. RVD match, possibly the most infuriating, frustrating moment of the year. This was the nail in the coffin as far as the fans actually believing that something good could happen on the RAW brand. 24. Breaking up the "undisputed championship" so that HHH can be a happy camper. 25. Replacing the old RAW set with the current garbage. I could go on and on, but there's 25 major mistakes right there. By the way, I predict that the one guy who is going to break out of all of this SHIT is Edge. He's been involved in countless MOTY contenders, the fans love him and can relate to him, and he's got great charisma. Kinda like RVD on RAW, Edge is a "grassroots" sensation. I think he is going to be the man.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 1. Watering down the nWo and never giving the hottest stable in the history of the business a chance to get over. To be fair, Three balding forty/fifty year old men aren't the most intimidating thing on earth, and when one of them hurts himself doing NOTHING, well, you know.
Guest art_vandelay Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Yeah, fuck the WWE. Fuck 'em up the ass. GRRRRR
Guest deadbeater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Best feud in NA women's wrestling history, perhaps all of wrestling history anywhere, Molly vs Trish, derailed by the 'fat ass' angle.
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 It's funny how Vince said the nWo angle would kill all fan interest and he was right on the money.
Guest Eagan469 Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 "I'm gonna KILL IT! I'm gonna kill MY CREATION!" Well Vince, stand up and take a bow.
Guest Banky Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 The nWo angle could have worked again. No doubt. They've dropped the ball 24,954,817 times.
Guest Anglesault Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Well, part of the problem is the utter stupidity of them working with Vince but him doing NOTHING
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 World Wrestling Federation: What The World Is Watching! WWF Attitude: Get It? WWE: We Love Screwing Our Fans Right Up The BUTT.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 Are we counting the number of dropped balls since Vince bought the company? Oh man that's a lot.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 1. Watering down the nWo and never giving the hottest stable in the history of the business a chance to get over. A horrible idea to begin with. Nash, Hall & Hogan are among the three worst wrestlers of the past 10 years. 2. The roster split, which has ruined the product. The ONLY positive that came out of this was saving workers like Benoit, Angle, Mysterio, etc. from HHH's politics. A good thing. At least I don't get to see the same guys twice a week. The product before was oversaturated. I can guarantee you without the split, the WWF would keep the Al Wilson storyline from Smackdown, and make everything else like RAW. 3. Making Stephanie f'n McMahon and Brian Gerwitz the head writers. Like the NWO, it wasn't so much dropping the ball, as opposed to being a horrible idea to begin with. 4. Driving Steve Austin away. Not so much dropping the ball on its own, but they could have handled the situation a lot better. Like the Bret Hart screwjob, Austin leaving could have led to something had they been more careful about. 5. RAW X...enough said. Can't argue here. 6. Failing to repair the relationship with Bret "Hitman" Hart. Sure it would be nice to have Bret Hart back. But it won't be the same Bret Hart anyways. Blame Goldberg, not the WWF. 7. The Dawn Marie/Al Wilson/Torrie FARCE, which has lead to some of the worst television that I have ever seen in my entire life (I muted my TV just to escape Dawn's annoying "seductive" voice and bad acting). Paul Heyman's downside. I will suffer through it as long as the rest of the show is entertaining. 8. Letting HHH's ego run wild on RAW. Yes, but better on RAW than on both shows. 9. Dropping the Intercontinental title. Good idea. The belt was meaningless since 1999. The last champion that truly felt like the IC Champ was Ken Shamrock. 10. Failing to deliver on the big RVD push (also see: #8). Yep. I don't like the guy, but they missed the boat on him as a contender on RAW. He can't carry the show, but he is far better than someone like HBK. 11. Necrophilia angles...need I say more? This falls into that bad idea from the start category. They couldn't drop the ball because they never had it in the first place. 12. Taking the tag team titles away from Booker & Goldust after it took them 8 months of chasing heatless tag teams to get the damn belts. This was a travesty, unless they plan on having Booker challenge HHH at Wrestlemania (which is what I would book, with Booker winning the title). Even then, they should have had them longer. 13. Attempting to push Test to the moon with a comedy mid-card wrestler's gimmick. Screw the gimmick. Pushing Test period is a bad idea. 14. Trying to squash Jericho like a bug. By the way...you failed miserably here, WWE, because Jericho is the most entertaining man on RAW and you will never succeed in killing him off as hard as you try. Wait til HHH gets him again. 15. Pissing off Hulk Hogan. Good riddance. He never should have been hired in the first place. 16. The Undertaker gimmick swerve...you fucking bastards. Bad move. Even if they were building up to a Taker heel turn, the heat will go on the WWF and not Taker. 17. Placing Matt Hardy, the most entertaining man on Smackdown!, in the doghouse because he speaks the truth. But I guess WWE doesn't like the truth...how'd you like those chants from the crowd at RAW X, Vince? Matt should not be above the upper midcard at this point in time, and I am happy with what he is currently doing. He shouldn't be jobbing so much though. 18. Opening every single RAW with a women's division match. Now come on. This isn't true. Sometimes it's an RVD tag match against Three Minute Warning. 19. Taking away time from matches on RAW when the segments BLOW. They've been doing this since 1996. 20. HLA...when is Vince going to get it through his toupee that B-grade T&A and shock TV is not going to save the company? Never? 21. Michael Cole is still employed. Cole is actually pretty good nowadays (at least with Tazz). If anything JR & Lawler are the ones who need to be fired. 22. The Linda McMahon conference call, which showed total disrespect for WWE fans and stock holders. A total insult to our intelligence. I agree. 23. HHH running in on the HBK vs. RVD match, possibly the most infuriating, frustrating moment of the year. This was the nail in the coffin as far as the fans actually believing that something good could happen on the RAW brand. I would consider the booking for the Elimination Chamber worse, but this was bad. HBK never should have come back period. At least Hogan used to be somebody. 24. Breaking up the "undisputed championship" so that HHH can be a happy camper. Fine by me. Otherwise he would be the only champion. You just know he would have got Steph to book him clean over Lesnar. 25. Replacing the old RAW set with the current garbage. The old set needed to go. It was time for a change.
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I don't agree that HBK should have *never* come back, he tore the house down at SummerSlam and it was a great moment. Unfortunately, he's overstayed his welcome. Kahran, I can see where you are coming from on the nWo and Taker, but not everything successful revolves around a wrestler(s) with a workrate like Benoit's. Sorry, but the nWo and Taker can be highly entertaining when they are handled correctly. It's all about vanilla and chocolate, man. Which is better? No one can really say.
Guest bob_barron Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 2. The roster split, which has ruined the product. The ONLY positive that came out of this was saving workers like Benoit, Angle, Mysterio, etc. from HHH's politics. How has the roster split ruined the product?? Smackdown has become a terrific show and has made the product better. 4. Driving Steve Austin away. Austin is the man who walked out on his own free will- I don't call that dropping the ball on their part. 5. RAW X...enough said. Yea that sucked but in the long it's not a big deal. 6. Failing to repair the relationship with Bret "Hitman" Hart. They have repaired their relationship with Bret. He just doesn't want to come back. 13. Attempting to push Test to the moon with a comedy mid-card wrestler's gimmick. He's not getting pushed to the moon- he's in the midcad facing midcarders. 15. Pissing off Hulk Hogan. Who cares? Hogan did his mega job so he's not really needed on TV anymore. Again- they got all they could out of Hogan- that's not dropping the ball. 16. The Undertaker gimmick swerve...you fucking bastards. They haven't even brought him back- wait until the RR to accuse them of 'dropping the ball'. 21. Michael Cole is still employed. Michael Cole has improved greatly and deserves to be employed. 24. Breaking up the "undisputed championship" so that HHH can be a happy camper. I don't know if that's why they did it- i think they wanted to differentiate the brands. 25. Replacing the old RAW set with the current garbage. Who cares?
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I know that Regal is currently a tag champ, barron, but the company still has major problems.
Guest The Amazing Rando Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 the newest name change: WWW: with the third W standing for "We Don't Know What The F**k We Are Doing"
Guest bob_barron Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 What point are you trying to make?? I disagreed with some of your opinions of dropping the ball-dom. Oh and I was against the Commonwealth Connection winning the tag titles as you can tell by the fact that I didn't include it.
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I am so watching WrestleMania III tonight. Ahh, the good ol' days.
Guest HHHater Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 The business needs to go back to territories. We need larger-than-life Gods among men like "Nature Boy" Ric Flair and the Von Erichs, who could just take any car that they wanted off of the car dealereship lots in Dallas. We need riots and blood and solid workers with a believable in-ring style. We need domes and stadiums and a "shut up and wrestle" approach. We need Bret Hart and Roddy Piper and other ex-legends running the shows instead of Brian Gerwitz and Fat Steph. Yeah.
Guest art_vandelay Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 If you want to have a good time don't watch Wrestlemania III, go to your nearest Chinese mall, and get this movie called Shaolin Soccer.
Guest bob_barron Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 That's not gonna happen so stop living in the past. I mean I know you have a longing for old schoolness but to be upset that the wrestling business has evolved is just silly
Guest wwF1587 Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 I agree with most everything you said. I have to say the number one disappointed to me was having HHH ruining RVD-HBK on RAW was soo frickin disappointing and fustrating....I hate that moment soo much and it just shows WWE stupidity and HHH's ego. the rest of them are just really annoying.. and i wont say anything about the undertakers latest return this sunday until it happens.. if he comes back as biker boy and JR has an orgasm over it.. ill be pissed. UT should be the dead man for what could be his last run in WWE...
Guest Downhome Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 This thread reminds me a lot of another thread, but I just can't place it.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted January 17, 2003 Report Posted January 17, 2003 The only time HHH ruined a match made sense. And that was when he returned from his 2-week "death" and killed Austin on the spot. I mean that was a brutal beatdown. That was the only time that him returning and ruining a title match was really any good. I think they were trying to recreate it with that match....just didn't work. Maybe if RVD had "killed" HHH?
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