Guest humongous2002 Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Everytime I come into this forum all i hear is that Booker deserves to be RAW champion, that Booker should wrestle HHH @ Mania, that Booker is the #1 babyface on RAW and that Booker is way more over than RVD. I got nothing against Booker, i think he is a very talented wrestler but all those things that are being written about him are nothing but lies, i do admit that Book is way over for a guy w/o a real push but the fact of the matter is that Vince is not going to give the belt to a former aging black WCW champion unless he is going to be a transitional one, it's sad but true. Booker has been used as a jobber and a joke since coming into the WWF/E, he might've hold the tag titles (which besides the WCW title, is the only title he had in his 1 and a half year in WWE) but only to keep it warm for Storm and Regal. Now the biggest lie of them all is the one about him being more over than RVD, that is funny on so many levels, on every arena RVD goes to you hear people chanting his name, with Booker the crowd only pops for SUCKA and the spinaroony then for the rest of the match they sit on their hands, there might be a few Booker chants here and there but i could count them in one hand how many times i've heard those "big" Booker chants, RVD could have a bad match and the crowd still pops for him big time . And if WWE was really 100% on pushing Booker as a true contender and #1 babyface on RAW, then why wasn't he booked at last night's ppv????That's how you build up someone that's supposed to be the #1 babyface for Wrestlemania?? If Booker wrestles HHH(and that's a big if) he will be there just to get pin and that's it. Booker might be over but he is a distant #2 or #3 babyface next to RVD so you Booker fans, no offense, but don't get your hopes up of Book winning the world title.
Guest NoSelfWorth Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 This is what happens when every potential top babyface gets buried six feet under. When the time comes to properly push them, they are seen as a joke. And Vince wonders why no one draws.
Guest caboose Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 No offence but RVD's pops have been decreasing in size for the last few months, or at least that how it appears on TV. And truth be told RVD is not as good as Booker is on the mic on iin the ring. So while Booker may not be good enough for a title reign, I wouldn't go about using RVD as a reason against Booker, cos quite frankly RVD is not upto task, even less so than Booker.
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Booker is a hell of a lot closer to wrestling for the World title at Mania than RVD is.
Guest EricMM Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 And Nash is more likely to get that title shot than Booker is...
Guest humongous2002 Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 RVD was 3 time IC champ, he got over with the fans while he was Hardcore champ(the lowest title ever created), he unified the IC belt with the European and Hardcore title, he was runner-up for KOR and mic skills, he doesn't need them, just look at Brock,Taker and Benoit, they are all way over with the fans w/o them. Now i agree RVD's pops are not as loud compare to 2001 but they are still louder and more consistent than Booker's pops.
Guest caboose Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 RVD better get some mic skills else in a Wrestlemania feud with Triple H, Hunter will try and bury him. The second Booker calls Triple H a 'sucka' to his face, Booker's gonna get an almighty pop. Booker hasn't been buried either by Triple H to the level of RVD and Kane, so Booker has some heat. The Goldust back story is there to make Booker want to nail Triple H. RVD's offence and Triple H's current ring work is asking for a DUD, and at Wrestlemania thats just not acceptable. At least Booker has more workable offence in the realms of a good match. Booker has more experience of carrying a company's top belt, albeit it was WCW's in it;s dying days. And Booker pops are getting bigger every week, again thats how it appears on TV to me, so Booker is the man on the move not RVD.
Guest JMA Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 As far as I'm concerned they BOTH deserve title reigns. That is all. Carry on.
Guest Angle-plex Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Booker sucks on the mic (in WWE at least). RVD sucks on the mic (in WWE at least). RVD's ring work isn't the greatest, but it makes the crowd pop. Booker's offense is kind of boring. The crowd usually sits on thier asses during Booker matches. That means that #1 babyface on RAW is........STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN~!
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 LOL, that's true Austin is the #1 babyface for both brands, but him getting the world title this soon would bring the morality down in the RAW locker room, Austin walked out on the company almost a year ago and he doesn't deserve or need the title.
Guest notJames Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 ...him getting the world title this soon would bring the morality down in the RAW locker room... I think you meant morale... ... although, with Austin's constant swearing, drinking and wife-beating, that might also apply...
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 I echo NoSelfWorth's sentiments. RVD's pops have been decreasing because he hasn't had anything remotely resembling a real program with anyone since September with... tada! Trips! The fans are mostly pretty stupid (see: "What?"), but they know when it's worth their while to give a shit about someone. Right now, they see a guy come out who they know they like, but really don't want to get behind because they haven't really been given any reason other than his in-ring work, which isn't the best, although pretty visually pleasing. Add in that he was put in a tag team with Kane, meaning that he's not even the guy in the ring half of the time, and the fans are quickly losing patience. Booker however, HAS had actual programs the last few months, first with JeriChristian and then a small mini-feud with Storm/Regal, and now he's got issues with the Evolution group. At the same time, he's had a series of tremendous backstage segments with Goldust that actually had things like, you know, character development and stuff in them. The fans got a small taste of Booker/Trips with the Elimination Chamber, and when Booker got up in Trips's grill before Survivor Series, and they LIKED IT. Right now, he's poised to enter what has the potential to be a super-hot program with HHH after what happened with Goldust. In fact, the breakup of Booker and Goldust makes sense now, even if they do taint it with the rumored Teurette's gimmick for Goldust, with Booker having a partner he didn't like at first, warmed up to, actually ended up caring a great deal about, and then getting revenge for the partner's neutralization. The fans WANT to see this happen. It's got money written all over it, I think, and some intrigue that Raw desperately needs. While it's a pity what's happened to RVD, Booker is much more suited for the job right now.
Guest Your Olympic Hero Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 And Nash is more likely to get that title shot than Booker is... judging by nash's "rehab" we saw pictures of months ago, which consisted of him sitting in a hotel room drinking beer, he won't be back this fast..
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 ...him getting the world title this soon would bring the morality down in the RAW locker room... I think you meant morale... ... although, with Austin's constant swearing, drinking and wife-beating, that might also apply... Thanks, Mister encyclopedia NotJames
Guest notJames Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Actually, I'm more of a dictionary in this instance, but... ... I'll shut up now.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 I echo NoSelfWorth's sentiments. RVD's pops have been decreasing because he hasn't had anything remotely resembling a real program with anyone since September with... tada! Trips! The fans are mostly pretty stupid (see: "What?"), but they know when it's worth their while to give a shit about someone. Right now, they see a guy come out who they know they like, but really don't want to get behind because they haven't really been given any reason other than his in-ring work, which isn't the best, although pretty visually pleasing. Add in that he was put in a tag team with Kane, meaning that he's not even the guy in the ring half of the time, and the fans are quickly losing patience. Booker however, HAS had actual programs the last few months, first with JeriChristian and then a small mini-feud with Storm/Regal, and now he's got issues with the Evolution group. At the same time, he's had a series of tremendous backstage segments with Goldust that actually had things like, you know, character development and stuff in them. The fans got a small taste of Booker/Trips with the Elimination Chamber, and when Booker got up in Trips's grill before Survivor Series, and they LIKED IT. Right now, he's poised to enter what has the potential to be a super-hot program with HHH after what happened with Goldust. In fact, the breakup of Booker and Goldust makes sense now, even if they do taint it with the rumored Teurette's gimmick for Goldust, with Booker having a partner he didn't like at first, warmed up to, actually ended up caring a great deal about, and then getting revenge for the partner's neutralization. The fans WANT to see this happen. It's got money written all over it, I think, and some intrigue that Raw desperately needs. While it's a pity what's happened to RVD, Booker is much more suited for the job right now. If he is ,like you say, best suited for the job, how come Booker was nowhere to be found at No Way Out?? For someone that's going to wrestle HGH for the world title at the biggest ppv of them all but the writers couldn't book his ass in a match at the ppv, mark my words is going to be Bookdust v. Batista/Orton @ Mania.
Guest notJames Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 I echo NoSelfWorth's sentiments. RVD's pops have been decreasing because he hasn't had anything remotely resembling a real program with anyone since September with... tada! Trips! The fans are mostly pretty stupid (see: "What?"), but they know when it's worth their while to give a shit about someone. Right now, they see a guy come out who they know they like, but really don't want to get behind because they haven't really been given any reason other than his in-ring work, which isn't the best, although pretty visually pleasing. Add in that he was put in a tag team with Kane, meaning that he's not even the guy in the ring half of the time, and the fans are quickly losing patience. Booker however, HAS had actual programs the last few months, first with JeriChristian and then a small mini-feud with Storm/Regal, and now he's got issues with the Evolution group. At the same time, he's had a series of tremendous backstage segments with Goldust that actually had things like, you know, character development and stuff in them. The fans got a small taste of Booker/Trips with the Elimination Chamber, and when Booker got up in Trips's grill before Survivor Series, and they LIKED IT. Right now, he's poised to enter what has the potential to be a super-hot program with HHH after what happened with Goldust. In fact, the breakup of Booker and Goldust makes sense now, even if they do taint it with the rumored Teurette's gimmick for Goldust, with Booker having a partner he didn't like at first, warmed up to, actually ended up caring a great deal about, and then getting revenge for the partner's neutralization. The fans WANT to see this happen. It's got money written all over it, I think, and some intrigue that Raw desperately needs. While it's a pity what's happened to RVD, Booker is much more suited for the job right now. If he is ,like you say. best suited for the job, how come Booker was nowhere to be found at No Way Out?? For someone that's going to wrestle HGH for the world title at the biggest ppv of them all but the writers couldn't book his ass in a match at the ppv, mark my words is going to be Bookdust v. Batista/Orton @ Mania. I think that's the point. All logic points to Booker seeking revenge against HHHeMan at WM, yet these oh-so-talented bookers, they of the short attention span and love of all thing shite, can't even do something as simple as get the story moving by putting him somewhere on the PPV. Even a token run-in at the end of that HHH/Steiner debacle would have made a world of difference. Bottom line: the writers are shit and they need an overhaul, STAT!
Guest Kotzenjunge Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Yeah, the writers are so damn bad with consistency and such that they probably didn't really notice that they were crafting a great long-term story for Booker ever since the first pairing with Goldust. Then again, they hired and fired that guy they brought in to make sure stuff made sense week-to-week back in October.
Guest Austin3164life Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 Booker T deserves a big run at World Champion more than RVD does. Austin does not deserve a reign until he can prove his worth come spring/summer time. Austin should be chasing the title for a good 4-5 months (which he is most liked for), and should then get it. Booker T is an over enough face and a good enough talent to warrant a World Belt run.
Guest Samurai_Goat Posted February 24, 2003 Report Posted February 24, 2003 "Actually, I'm more of a dictionary in this instance ....Gold. Pure Gold.
Guest Shaneomac Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 If it came down to having to put either RVD or Booker T in the Main Event of Wrestlemania against Triple H, I would have to go with Booker T. Because RVD's already gotten his PPV title shot against HHH, at Unforgiven last year.
Guest Brian Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Not just that, Booker is ready right now and they blew their chance with RVD. Man needs a total overhaul where they can put him into that position.
Guest Celtic Jobber Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 RVD's pops are decreasing because he's been buried more than a penis in Jeff Hardy's buttocks. I used to be a fan of RVD, but now even I think he's a jobber for life and his upcoming heel turn will no doubt lead to him jobbing to Kane.
Guest SP-1 Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Booker makes more sense to me. Plus, he's never allowed the fans to forget that he was once a "World" Champion. FIVE TIMES, FIVE TIMES, FIVE TIMES, FIVE TIMES, FIVE TIMES, in fact. The information that he is capable of doing it is there, he has motivation, and he tossed THE F'ING ROCK out of the ring to win the Battle Royal. Book's ready for Mania. He's ready to go over. He's got momentum, motive, and he got put over big the second Rock went over the top rope. The question is whether an average RAW with a good ending can give birth to good angles for a great WrestleMania, with the right people going over. That remains to be seen. But tonight, I believed in Booker T. and alot of other people did too. Thus, I'm happy.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Well lets see: Steiner - the fans are indifferent at best towards him. Can't wrestle more than 3 or 4 minutes and only has a couple of moves. BTW, I just loved how it was Booker who wrestled 9.9/10 of the tag match (Steiner was never even tagged in legally), and yet its Steiner whos acting all bad on the ramp because "He won".. RVD - I think fans have wised up that Vince has no plans for RVD to ever be more than a mid carder that can be used in the main event to job just to make it look like hes main event callibre for the next time a main event job is needed. I almost think he'd be doing much better on Smackdown, especially with Edge out for a year. (Maybe RVD is compensation for Rock going to RAW???) Kane - he's a viable main eventer, but only because of what he did 2 or 3 years ago, not for anything he's done as of the last couple of months. And he's big. I almost smell a Kane heel turn, but that would make ZERO sense to me. HBK - Ok, he wrestles less frequently than HHH (it seems), but he's involved in one of the fueds thats been given a lot of buildup (HBK vs Jericho which can seemingly be traced all the way back to Survivor Series, if not further back) I can't wait for this match, but that doesn't mean that he's the top face. TEST - Oh..wait.. Who the hell is left? Oh yeah, Stone Cold... Well honestly its just ashame that they will probably end up falling back on Austin to be the #1 face. After almost a year of him being gone, I was actually hoping he'd stay gone..I have a feeling that after Mania, there will probably be a HHH vs Austin fued, instead of say, letting Booker T win the title and fued with Jericho or something that would be very different from the normal... Personally, I think that Booker T eliminating the Rock gave him some credibility, and they can build him up as a threat to HHH and the title, but unless he beats HHH, I think its pretty pointless (See RVD).
Guest saturnmark4life Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Booker hasn't had his shot, and getting it at mania makes it even better. I do love booker and accept he's never been a great worker, but he deserves a main event push when useless pieces of shit like scott steiner had one before him. Although I should point out to everyone waiting for the booker title reign, he did get to pin HHH clean on TV, and we know what THAT does for his chances at the ppv.
Guest notJames Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 ...The question is whether an average RAW with a good ending can give birth to good angles for a great WrestleMania, with the right people going over. That remains to be seen. But tonight, I believed in Booker T. and alot of other people did too. Thus, I'm happy. And so am I. For now...
Guest NoSelfWorth Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 RVD's pops are decreasing because he's been buried more than a penis in Jeff Hardy's buttocks.
Guest THE MIGHTY THOR Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 Well what i noticed last night ,and this is the sad truth, is that nobody in the RAW roster is really that over to be a champion, sometimes Book gets big pops sometimes he doesn't, RVD gets big pops and sometimes he doesn't, none of them is getting pops like an Austin or a Rock, RVD was getting those type of pops back in 2001 and early 2002 but b/c of politics he has been buried so many times that the fans are loosing interest in him.
Guest NoSelfWorth Posted February 25, 2003 Report Posted February 25, 2003 And if HGH does beat Booker, it won't mean a damn thing. If you bury every potential threat to your spot six feet under, when you beat them, it doesn't mean anything.
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