Guest the 1inch punch Posted March 4, 2003 Report Posted March 4, 2003 I'm Reading Foley is Good at the moment, and he bitches about the ring, and its condition, about how its too springy, and dangerous Coud this be causing a few of the injuries?
Guest teke184 Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Not this kind of injury. Foley's main bitch was that the rings were too springy and turned his already bad knees into jello.
Guest mickberna Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 The problem is house shows. If they guys wrestled once a week, they'd be fine. That's why indy guys can murder themselves and be fine for the next show. They don't put extreme pressure on their necks 4 or 5 days a week. They go do regular jobs when they're not wrestling. WWE wrestlers, however, have grueling schedules, get barely any rest, and get beaten up the majority of their life. That's all they do. No house shows, no neck surgeries. That's the way I see it.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Bah. Nash's schedule has been rather light all his career compared to the average WWE wrestler today and he's had a dozen or so surgeries just on his knees alone. I think it's something that just can't be helped.
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 The problem is house shows. If they guys wrestled once a week, they'd be fine. That's why indy guys can murder themselves and be fine for the next show. They don't put extreme pressure on their necks 4 or 5 days a week. They go do regular jobs when they're not wrestling. WWE wrestlers, however, have grueling schedules, get barely any rest, and get beaten up the majority of their life. That's all they do. No house shows, no neck surgeries. That's the way I see it. Well, they get extra pay for house shows. So they do it for the money.
Guest The Metal Maniac Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 I think you can blame the quad tears on the ring. I mean, if it's bouncing around, it's a lot easier to mis-plant your foot...
Guest bravesfan Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Some of the knee/neck injuries are based on the limiting of movesets for the entire roster. Instead of working freely while protecting your opponent at the same time, the wrestlers are walking on eggshells for every match, afraid they'll get heat from the office if they use a dangerous move, like a piledriver or powerbomb. Now, most moves are forced and do not come natural to the workers, resulting in rushed/blown spots.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 With guys like Nash and Big Show, there's so much more pressure on their knees and what's normally a coma-inducing match is hard on them. They actually changed the ring as many complained it was too hard, and it does seem there's been a larger volume of injuries since.
Guest Midnight Express83 Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 The problem comes from this: 90% of the roster wrestles the same. Edge and Benoit don't act the same, so they shouldn't wrestle the same match. Piledrivers are not allowed for the most part, but they still allow Spinebusters and powerbombs. Both moves that put wear on the verterbre. Getting these spinebusters every match because thats how the hasbeen main eventers wrestle isn't good. Second problem with all these injuries is that matches have no real flow unless it is over 10 mins. They rush too much. 3 mins of wrestling only brings punches and high spots. They should build up the highspots of a match and the careers of the wrestlers would last longer. Third problem has been stated. Back in the 80s they worked somewhere around 140 days a year. Last year it was 261 shows for wrestler per brand. It is becoming too demanding. Which is a reason the business is down too, burning out. Fans get tired of seeing the same acts and wrestlers get tired of doing the same act. But Edge and Angle are both different. Edge has been injuried quite a few times lately, its bad luck. And Angle's problems stem from 1995 so the only person to blame is god for stepping in at a bad time for business.
Guest Corey291 Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Bah. Nash's schedule has been rather light all his career compared to the average WWE wrestler today and he's had a dozen or so surgeries just on his knees alone. I think it's something that just can't be helped. And in Nash's case, his knees were already bad (from basketball) when he started wrestling. His age hasn't helped any either. -Corey
Guest nikowwf Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 They may need to tone down the highspots. I see 3 minute TV matches where people fly over the top rope, land outside, and take 3 german suplexes. Maybe its the germans. They didn't do them so much till the last few years, and neck injuries are very prevalent now. niko
Guest Brian Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 It definately is accelerated by the use of the Germans. Delivering and takingv them puts a great deal of strain on the neck.
Guest humongous2002 Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 The reason people get injured is because wrestling nowadays is fast paced and very extreme, and the sad true is that non-hosses need to do that to get over.
Guest Brian Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Fuck, when you're throwing out an extra twenty-plus minute match on free TV every week that's not going to help things.
Guest subliminal_animal Posted March 5, 2003 Report Posted March 5, 2003 Bah. Nash's schedule has been rather light all his career compared to the average WWE wrestler today and he's had a dozen or so surgeries just on his knees alone. I think it's something that just can't be helped. Tall guys like that tend to have more knee problems. Some of the knee/neck injuries are based on the limiting of movesets for the entire roster. Instead of working freely while protecting your opponent at the same time, the wrestlers are walking on eggshells for every match, afraid they'll get heat from the office if they use a dangerous move, like a piledriver or powerbomb. Now, most moves are forced and do not come natural to the workers, resulting in rushed/blown spots. They do powerbombs all the time. Someone else said the thing about how the limiting moves is the cause, but the reasons you used to back it up seem a bit too speculative and even farfetched. The moves they're made to use are basic ones that should come natural to any competent wrestler.
Guest Brian Posted March 6, 2003 Report Posted March 6, 2003 German suplexes put alot of emphasis on the neck of both the thrower and receiver. Other than that, I don't really see other problems with the moves.
Guest Dangerous A Posted March 6, 2003 Report Posted March 6, 2003 It's a combo of the style and the touring system. They don't have nearly enough time to recover and a lot of them don't want to miss any time because they'll be off of tv less and that threatens a lot of wrestlers spots.
Guest saturnmark4life Posted March 7, 2003 Report Posted March 7, 2003 If you watch the way Angle and Benoit do germans in WWE, they try to combat the pressure on both guys' necks by hardly ever bridging, and by lifting the guy quite loosely to start with, so less of his weight lands on them, and he lands on his entire back instead of his neck, to absorb the impact. For example, Steve Austin has a very dodgy neck, and he took 10 consecutive germans from Benoit. Plus guys like Orton and Batista, who are both out for months, never have to take germans from the slugs on raw. Steroid intake has to be a factor.
Guest TheGame2705 Posted March 7, 2003 Report Posted March 7, 2003 And Angle's problems stem from 1995 so the only person to blame is god for stepping in at a bad time for business. Yeah blame God just because you can't see your favorite wrestler. I'm sure WWE matters to him infinitely.
Guest Brian Posted March 7, 2003 Report Posted March 7, 2003 Considering God is marrying the bosses daughter it should concern him.
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