Guest teke184 Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 " Vince McMahon News: Nathan Jones, A Train, Losing Faith Of Wrestlers Posted By Widro on 03.13.03 Some question his desire to constantly push the big men It appears as if WWE wrestler’s confidence in Vince McMahon’s genius might be wavering. Some wrestlers have reportedly felt the pushes of A-Train, Nathan Jones and Scott Steiner as muscle-head monsters has shown that McMahon is out of touch with what the fans want. Wrestlers feel that McMahon only values size in who he decides to push. credit: Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter" Stolen from 411
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 What surprises me is when people are shocked that Vince pushes these 'hosses'. He's done it for YEARS, and made lots of money doing it. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd rather see Benoit, the Guererros, and the like at the top of the card having great matches, but Vince has shown for years that he really doesn't want to do that.
Guest nikowwf Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Other Potential Hot News Stories for the Torch... -HHH SAID TO NOT PUT OTHER WRESTLERS OVER. -MANY FEMALE WRESTLERS ONLY USED DUE TO THEIR LOOKS AND BREAST SIZE. -SCOTT STEINER LAUGHED AT FOR HIS HORRIBLE MATCHES IN WWE LOCKER ROOM. -REY MYSTERIO SAID TO BE SHORT -HULK HOGAN NOT THE WORKER HE THINKS HE IS. niko
Guest IB2BLACK Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Vince has made millions doing this, as well as pushing others. What's the point. Is it news, when you already know it?
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 In other news: France thinks this whole "war" thing may not work out.
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 -MANY FEMALE WRESTLERS ONLY USED DUE TO THEIR LOOKS AND BREAST SIZE. I had no idea.
Guest Sakura Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Wait, when was the last time Vince made millions pushing hosses? Andre???
Guest El Satanico Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 No the last successful "hoss" would be Undertaker.
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Well, one of the biggest shows in WWF history was WrestleMania III, which was headlined by Hogan/Andre, and Hogan (who I think is considered a 'hoss', but correct me if I'm wrong), ran on top for years making him tons of cash, so I think that's why Vince is reluctant to let that go.
Guest Sakura Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Yeah but WM III was like a decade ago. Vince has also made tons of money at WM 2000 and WMX7, NOT headlined by hosses.
Guest treble charged Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 Oh, I know, it's just that Vince has made money with big guys before, so he probably just thinks he can go back to the well and try it again.
Guest IB2BLACK Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 But Vince has probably made the most $$$$ with Stone Cold, who is gonna headline Wrestlemania with The Rock, who also make Vince alot of $$$$. They are not hosses.
Guest The Tino Standard Posted March 13, 2003 Report Posted March 13, 2003 It all goes back to the old-time wrestling promoter mindset that people want to see "larger than life heroes," wrestlers that have that look of being physically-superior to the common man. They think normal-sized wrestlers cheapen the sport because they look like Joe Schmoe off the street. Of course, this is an absolutely asinine way to think. Yes, those hosses are bigger than any of us, but a lot of them also have about as much agility and athleticism as Joe Schmoe. The smaller, "normal-sized guys" who supposedly don't draw can actually DO THINGS that we, the common folk, could never dream of pulling off. To wit, I don't see myself doing any shooting-star presses or corkscrew moonsaults any time soon. I cannot understand for the life of me why promoters in general (and definitely Vince McMahon) can't seem to come to grips with the fact that people want to see ATHLETES, not big slugs who are just... well, big.
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 What surprises me is when people are shocked that Vince pushes these 'hosses'. He's done it for YEARS, and made lots of money doing it. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd rather see Benoit, the Guererros, and the like at the top of the card having great matches, but Vince has shown for years that he really doesn't want to do that. Hosses haven't drawn in years. The Rocks and Austins of today, who put on exciting matches and also have great charisma, THOSE are the draws. A businessman that was once hailed as a "genius" should figure this out. All good businessmen change things about their business when the public demands it. If he runs his company based on his his own whims, the company will fall behind and lose lots of money. Eventually, it may go out of business. Vince isn't a good businessman, at least not anymore.
Guest IB2BLACK Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 It's not like Albert and the rest of the "hosses" are main eventing Wrestlemania. Rock & Austin are still at the top of the card, where they will always be. Do you'll consider Brock a hoss?
Guest AndrewTS Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 It's not like Albert and the rest of the "hosses" are main eventing Wrestlemania. Rock & Austin are still at the top of the card, where they will always be. Do you'll consider Brock a hoss? No. He's something like 6'5" and 280 lbs. At least those are his WWE likely-inflated stats True hosses are 300+ and are 6'7" or more.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 'Taker is not a true hoss because of two things: 1. He's over. 2. He's been in at least two **** matches.
Guest TheZsaszHorsemen Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Brock IS a hoss(bah gawd). Brock breaks the Number One Commandment of Hossism: "Thou Shalt Not Be Over. " - So Sayeth JR.
Guest jester Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 True hosses are 300+ and are 6'7" or more. Or from Texas. Being from Texas is reason enough to get pushed.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 True hosses are 300+ and are 6'7" or more. Or from Texas. Being from Texas is reason enough to get pushed. Unless you're black.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 (edited) Problem is that Vince is from a period when all wrestlers were great big hosses. The guy's liked tremendous dudes since he was young, according to a few sources. Guys like Jerry Jarrett and the rest are no different. You're going to have to wait 15-20 years for smaller men to be taken seriously. The exception would be if a worker from a more recent era started their own TNA-sized fed. I'm thinking someone like Bret Hart. Though he's just an example here. Edited March 14, 2003 by Jobber of the Week
Guest teke184 Posted March 14, 2003 Report Posted March 14, 2003 Somewhat related question- How big was Dr. Jerry Graham, kayfabe brother of promoter Eddie Graham? From what I've seen, he was a Ric Flair lookalike with similar length and style bleach-blonde hair. Vince used to idolize Graham and would hang out with him in New York before Vince Sr. laid down the law on talent vs. management. That would mean he wasn't a complete hoss-mark at one point before he bought the territory.
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