Guest gansobomber Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 I'm tired of wrestlers looking gassed during rest holds. The only guy who actually acts like a rest hold is a discomfort is Benoit and he has to do that for a CRAPPY CHINLOCK! And please, stop using camel clutches, stfs etc, as restholds. They are supposed to HURT... As in cause PAIN...
Guest Sakura Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Restholds should be banned from non-ppv matches.
Guest MillenniumMan831 Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Which sounds like you're supposed to pay $34.95 for 90% more slouching, resting, and slumping. jk, I see your point.
Guest Nevermortal Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Watch an American Dragon match. He makes submissions believable. Even in a so called 'rest hold' he's always planning his escape or actually trying to escape.
Guest Sakura Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Which sounds like you're supposed to pay $34.95 for 90% more slouching, resting, and slumping. Considering Nash and Big Sloth are headlining....isn't that basically what you are paying for now already?
Guest Redhawk Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Sometimes it makes sense for them not to look like they're in pain. I'm sure you've been in a sleeper before, probably when you were play-fighting as a kid. They don't really hurt.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Just blame it on the lack of creativity and the fact that they work in a 30 sec rest spot in a 3 minute match... ...Morons.
Guest pappajacks Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Restholds should be banned from non-ppv matches. Christian would be forced to retire because rest holds is the only move in his repertoire.
Guest MARTYEWR Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 I'm tired of wrestlers looking gassed during rest holds. The only guy who actually acts like a rest hold is a discomfort is Benoit and he has to do that for a CRAPPY CHINLOCK! And please, stop using camel clutches, stfs etc, as restholds. They are supposed to HURT... As in cause PAIN... Funny, I just watched SummerSlam 2002 tonight (RVD-Benoit), so, yeah, I know EXACTLY what you're talking about...
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Sometimes it makes sense for them not to look like they're in pain. I'm sure you've been in a sleeper before, probably when you were play-fighting as a kid. They don't really hurt. Then why do the holds in the first place? The only guy who actually acts like a rest hold is a discomfort is Benoit and he has to do that for a CRAPPY CHINLOCK! Damn him for trying to convey realism in a match. We'll have none of that.
Guest Eric the Eagle Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 A sleeper doesen't hurt at all. But correctly applied, it knocks you out in five seconds and kills you in ten.
Guest gansobomber Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Sometimes it makes sense for them not to look like they're in pain. I'm sure you've been in a sleeper before, probably when you were play-fighting as a kid. They don't really hurt. Then why do the holds in the first place? The only guy who actually acts like a rest hold is a discomfort is Benoit and he has to do that for a CRAPPY CHINLOCK! Damn him for trying to convey realism in a match. We'll have none of that. Thare ARE other moves than a chinlock...
Guest Mulatto Heat Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Not sure what your point is, but there are a few wrestlers that should get that newsflash.
Guest gansobomber Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 My point is that a chinlock has gone down the line that the sleeper did and is associated with resting, so wouldn't it be best to stop using it?
Guest Austin3164life Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 Vince should show his guys a tape of Benoit/Austin from the Edmonton SD. During that whole match, not ONE resthold took place (chinlock, stupid submission). Every submission spot made sense in the context of the match (Crossface, Sharpshooter, Boston Crab). Sure, you can relax during those moves, but they both made it seem like those moves KILLED. Excellent example of not needing restholds during a great match.
Guest Vitamin X Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 The Rock and Chris Jericho do an awesome job of making restholds believable as well. Except that Rock sometimes screams in pain while APPLYING the hold sometimes, which is just weird.
Guest godthedog Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 he's not screaming in pain, he's just being all intense & shit. benoit does it too when he puts on the crossface--you think he NEEDS to look like he's passing a kidney stone to make it more effective? of course not, but it adds drama. Restholds should be banned from non-ppv matches. so we should go back to the shitty brawling & choking to kill time in a match? i don't really care how many rest holds i see in a match, as long as they MEAN something. the problem always was, is, and will be the shitty workers who don't know how to make a move MEAN something while they're getting their wind back; whether they be doing a chinlock, choking or whatever. since mcmahon has apparently told his roster to choke when they need to rest, they've completely killed choking as any way of getting heat. nobody gives a shit when they see choking now, cause everybody does it in every match. as long as there are shitty workers on television, we'll have this "resting" problem.
Guest HellSpawn Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 I'm tired of wrestlers looking gassed during rest holds. The only guy who actually acts like a rest hold is a discomfort is Benoit and he has to do that for a CRAPPY CHINLOCK! And please, stop using camel clutches, stfs etc, as restholds. They are supposed to HURT... As in cause PAIN... So... have you tried some of those restholds? I guess you guys up there didnt get those DONT TRY THIS AT HOME ads. Now talking about restholds and some of that moves you named. Like someone said, a Sleeper well applied it could kill. Go to the Hitman talks about Goldberg vs Jericho thread, Bret speaks about how a headlock could work against a BULL Size man like Goldberg. And about the Camel Clutch, performed as canadians do It hurts. And I dunno who is using an STF as resthold. Peace.
Guest Sakura Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 so we should go back to the shitty brawling & choking to kill time in a match? RAW matches are like 5 minutes long. You shouldn't need to kill time in a RAW match.
Guest godthedog Posted May 19, 2003 Report Posted May 19, 2003 (edited) and yet there it is in every raw match, choking and shitty brawling. i think it might actually help condition the fans to get used to things like armbars & chinlocks in a match to put them in the 5-minute raw matches, so that when they come in the ppv's the fans don't zone out completely. i don't mean like an actual rest spot, just a quick little chinlock after some chain wrestling that the other guy can wrestle out of after a few seconds. Edited May 19, 2003 by godthedog
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