The wwf is slowly turning into wcw

[Guest Tolwyn]

Okay..let's see...The Nwo with matches u hardly can call wrestling. A very good undercard and lower midcard. Upper midcard and main event sloppy at best. Senseless bookings in gereral (Let brockner really squash jeff, why didn't maven and snow get the titles?) and an overbooked Main Event with LOTS of run ins.

 

sound familiar?

[Guest]

Same people same problems.

It's not even like the poor sods have anywhere to jump to these days.

[Guest buffybeast]

I, too, was perplexed to read Al and Maven didn't win the tag titles.  But maybe WWF has something else in store for them down the line.

 

Oh yeah, WWF has been showing symptoms of WCW syndrome for more than a year now.

[Guest]

Don't read too much into Al Snow and Maven losing.  Al Snow *ALWAYS* loses.  Vince never pushes him, and Vince never gives up on pushing Billy Gunn.

 

That match, if anything, proves that there's still a lot of WWF in the WWF.  I'll agree that there's a lot of WCW-ification going on (well, not for Booker T ;-) ) but this change hasn't hit the tag title scene yet.

 

Did I want to see Al Snow win?  Hell yes.  I hate Billy Gunn, and I am a HUGE Al Snow fan.  But he never wins.  Vince hates him.  I'm used to this by now.

[Guest humongous2002]

The WWF has already turn into WCW , the dark age of wrestling is back.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

why didn't maven and snow get the titles?

1) Maven's still greener than RVD's stash

2) They're not a "real" team

3) This doesn't seem like it will be an ongoing feud, so there's no point putting the belts on Snow & Maven if there won't be any challengers

[Guest treble charged]

It's the exact template of 97-99 WCW.  A decent to good cruiserweight match to start things off, and a shitty Hogan main event to end the show.

[Guest]

This confuses me. I mean, Vince is a clever man. And he's a business man. And people don't just get as rich as him without talent and savvy.

 

So how can he not see how many bad, bad things are going on?

 

Surely he watched with glee when the people now skulking around his buildings ruined his competition, and surely he's noticed that things are starting to slide the same way.

 

I'm going to reserve judgement until Hogan loses the title. Because the WWF can't really afford to have him with it, but at the same time the can't have the title  jobbed again so soon without losing it's credability.

 

So whats he going to do? Hm.

[Guest humongous2002]

You got that right.History is doomed to repeat itself because Vince didn't learn his lesson from ATM Eric.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

The dangers of the monopoly are now coming through. There is no mainstream alternative, so Vince feels (probably rightly) he can do what the hell he likes and no one will be able to take away his ratings.

[Guest]

Actually, just to be confrontational, I'll say WWF 2002 compares more to WWF 1995 than WCW 1998-99.  Maybe it's six of one and half-dozen of the other, since both were BAD and horribly mismanaged.  But I lean towards Kliq era for one reason:  that quote, often replayed in the backlash promo, where Vince gives Hogan the title shot.

 

"I could care less about what the fans want, because quite frankly I know what the fans want better than they do."

 

Now, I know that was an in character comment, and Vince being a heel, but history shows us that this believe is more than just Vince's character talking.  The WWF almost went out of business because Vince "knew what the fans wanted better than they did" in 1995-96 when Mabel won the king of the Ring and an Evil Plumber named T.L. Hopper waged war with a virtuous Garbage man named Duke "The Dumpster" Drose.  Bret Hart was having matches with broomsticks while HBK was coming up with ways to NOT DEFEND the Intercontinental Championship and Diesel was being fed big slug after big slug after big slug in an attempt to make a new Hogan out of him.  It didn't work, and the WWF nearly died before Vince finally woke up and let the little guys (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, and some guy called Steve Austin) be the leaders.

 

Only now it's scarier, because he has the original Hogan to feed large men to as jobbers, there's no WCW to provide competition that scares Vince into a change of direction, and there's no ECW for him to rip off for that new direction.  His only avenue for new ideas is Jim Ross, Pat Patterson, his daughter, and her boytoy.  Prospects are, to put it diplomatically, a bit discouraging.

 

Wrestlers get boring and stale without heated rivals and feuds to keep them interesting.   Does the same thing happen to wrestling companies?

[Guest Jericholic82]

well duh Snow is a jobber with TV time (to promote Tough Enough and nothing else). The only reason Maven is on TV is so they can "prove" that TE will make you a star (yea right, then where is Nidia?)  

 

as for worries, I say don't worry too much.  They had to put the title on hogan now.  Besides, it's not like H was a very over champ or anything.  He'll be better off on Smackdown, where they need a Top face with the departure of Rock

[Guest Austin3164life]

Like I said in the No Holds Barred section of the WWF folder, the WWF is partying like it's 1999.....only the scary thing is, for the programming, it still is 1999 in terms of the style of wrestling that is in effect.  You have another slow Austin/Undertaker match, Hogan winning the title, the Tag Division in shambles, and the nWo/Cliquettes running the show.  I vowed that if Hogan were to ever win the title, I would stop watching wrestling.  I'm staying true to that vow, until Hogan loses, the only thing that I will do is come to this site to see what's happening.  I refuse to watch programming in which someone who looks old enough to be my grandfather is on top of the wrestling world....again.....NOSTALGIA SUCKS....

[Guest artDDP]

The cruiserweights are the opener, Eddie Guerrero is contending for the secondary championship, Hulk Hogan is in the main event, the NWO is a non-factor, and Chris Jericho is calling out a main-eventer that will only squash him in the aisleway on free TV.  Man, this is just like WCW, circa 1998.

[Guest RickyB]

Chris Jericho is calling out a main-eventer that will only squash him in the aisleway on free TV.

 

I'm still sticking to my thoughts that Hogan will face Jericho at the King Of The Ring.  I think there's no doubt about that, the WWF just needs to make Jericho seem like a threat to Hogan first because at the moment the fans don't see Jericho having a chance in hell of winning that match.

 

I think the plan (before Vince decided to have Hogan go over in the ME) was to have Hogan face Jericho at Judgement Day in a No 1 contenders match, have Hogan win and beat Tripple H at the King Of The Ring.

[Guest]

I wish it was slowly turing into ECW.

[Guest]

This is the most depressing thread I've read.

 

Unfortunately, it's depressing because I can see it all happening.

 

Sigh.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

I totally agree that WWF seems to be turning into WCW, and I am loving it.  There is something oddly entertaining about pointless heel turns, JR's cliched catchphrases, Booker and Goldust teaming, and all those other "What the hell were they thinking?" things that they are doing.  

 

It reminds me of WCW from 1998 to 2000 where they had shock title changes every week, Judy Bagwell: Tag team champion, David Arquette: World champion, GI Bro, the Misfits in Action, and every other stupid move they pulled back then.  It was like, "They wouldn't be THAT stupid, would they?"  It was almost like Russo, Ferrera, and whoever else was booking during that time was like, "I bet you do not have the guts to put the World title on David Arquette." then to prove that they do, they go off and do it.

 

Sure, the WWF has yet to do anything monumentally stupid.  They came close when they threatened to give Stephanie McMahon the World title, but so far they have backed off on doing that.  Sure, they are getting there with such bright ideas as Big Show joins the NWO, Bradshaw: main eventer, Lucy the dog invades Raw, and so on.  Personally, I am looking forward to the WWF now.  I REALLY want to see what stupid thing they are going to do next.  Which, in my opinion, is a step up from where the WWF was going before where they just stood in place, not doing much on not and just being "there." At least now I can find some entertainment in thinking, "Will GI Bro be returning?" "Will RVD be buried by jobbing to Bossman?" "What unexplainable gaps in logic will happen this week?" "Is there such a thing as too much McMahons?" "Who's Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho jobbing to this week?" and so on.  Sure, it might not be as good as an entertaining WWWF, but at least they are picking a direction, even if that direction is WCW circa 1998.

[Guest humongous2002]

Since the WWF has turned into WCW , I guess we'll be seeing a Carrot Top championship reign soon just like David Arquette's?????

[Guest]

.  Personally, I am looking forward to the WWF now.  I REALLY want to see what stupid thing they are going to do next.  Which, in my opinion, is a step up from where the WWF was going before where they just stood in place, not doing much on not and just being "there."

Sure! Doesn't everybody like to watch a good Train wreck?

 

It's "Cringe-Wrestling" (to borrow from O&A)

[Guest Nater]

No, I would say the show is good.. Vince knows what he is doing.

 

90% of the viewers are Marks and all of this makes complete sense to them.

 

10% of the viewers are Smarks and this is all bullshit and we still watch it. We still post about it. Good or Bad we gonna see how well the show goes (even if we tune out for an hour or year).

 

For every 5 pieces of absolutely dumb shizt ideas that get put on TV (Lucy, Hurricane, Craziak, Steph) there is a shining point... that being Jericho (or whoever your favorite may be) getting their way in a match and moching the guy that held him down on so many occasions. (this to Jericho doing Hogan)

 

 

When the Horsemen reform as "The 4 Horsemen" then WWF will have gone completely WCW.. but I'm still gonna watch.

[Guest]

But even a mark isn't going to buy a fifty year old champ for long. And you can't say that following the WCW template is good, because remember what happened to them?