Hollywood wrestle better than hulk?

[Guest Just call me Dan]

He's not even really decent in the ring no matter what he does, but in my book, Hogan donning the Red and Yellow makes him even more pathetic in the ring.

 

Hollywood (nWo) is just a much cooler character and I am a lot more entertained by him.  Hulk return to Hulkamania in WCW that last time put me to sleep. Hulkamania is just ridiculous to me.  Now Hollywwod bases his offesne more around cheap little shots and another pseudo wrestling move or two.  Hulk is just punch boot leg drop.

 

At least Hollywood gets beat up more than he dishes out and is a lot more appealing to the younger crowd.  Hulk sucks. Vince is a moron if he thinks this is going to last.

 

If you have Hogan contracted for another year and a half (I'm pretty sure it is a 2 year deal) you definetly don't want the Hulkster.

[Guest Special K]

Let's compare movesets

Hogan:

Punch

Body Slam

Big Boot

Leg Drop

 

Hollywood: all that plus

Back scratches

Nut shots

Belt shots

Eye Gouges

Chicken Wing punches (gets them in a chinlock, vigorously flaps his right arm like a chicken, while his fist barely moves, somewhat simulating a punching action, hilarious move)

 

    These moves may not be technical masterwork, but it's a lot more believable when Hogan kicks someone in the balls then when he throws an aweful, slow, miss-by-a-mile punch and his opponent sells like he's been shot in the head.

 

    Plus his banter in the ring, back in the day as Hollywood, was priceless. I particularly some awful matches w/ Luger that were made watchable by his taunts and pleas.

 

    On the offense: 'Come on you piece of crap! Flexy Lexy! Flexy Lexy! You piece of crap!'

 

   Luger turns the tide: 'Oh God please Brother, Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, No more brother.'

 

My friends and I would laugh our asses off at that shit, even though a pitiful match was occuring.

 

He could have turned face without losing all of his 'edge' and immediately kissing the fans' collective ass.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Exactly.  For classic Hogan liners refer to Sting/Hogan Starrcade 1997 where Hogan and Sting have a test of strength and Hogan exclaims :" Uh Tuh Tuh Tuh Uh Luh Luh Luh Luh Luh"

 

Seriously.

 

Much more watchable than the babyface pussy

[Guest Special K]

Damn, I read that, and even though i don't remember it, I burst out laughing picturing it in my head.

 

    In a Biography show, he went on and on about how he hated being a heel, and watching the little Hulkamaniacs turn on him. Coulda fooled me, I thought he had the time of his life playing heel. He was undoubtably one of the sneakiest, dirtiest, most arrogant heels of all time for a while.

 

   I'll always remember when he'd get knocked down, him crawling into a corner with a camera in it, looking like he was about to seriously cry, and scream "Oh brother.. make it stop!"

 

   To this day, my friend has a poster that i am envious of. It's a big poster of Hollywood, looking old as fuck, with the B&W boas and the kick-ass celtic/skull Hollywood shirt making the kliq sign with a big-ass goofy grin on his face. It's awesome.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Yes, he and Ric Flair had a lot of the same mannerisms when they went back and forht through their heel and face personas.  

 

My personal favorite is when Hogan would backdrop or Vertical suplex someone and stand up flexing or just making that "OH I'm Good" face only to have his opponent no sell it and come back with a flurry.

 

You can see that hilarious sounding Hogan quote by watching the Best of nWo tape and I think a number of others from that WCW Superstars series around 1999.

[Guest Human Fly]

For sure. I kind of think the same way about Austin too. I know some people didn't like it but heel Austin from last year was great in terms of interviews, the random hugging, the singing, the comedic escapades with Kurt Angle. I couldn't get enough. With Hogan it was so great because he had been a face for what seemed like forever. He would go out there as a heel and do all this cowardly stuff that seemed so unHulk-like. The bes was after he beat someone with the help of like 20 guys and then the next night he would say something like "I beat Lex Luger in the center of the ring bymyself 1-2-3!" At this point one of the announcers would start in with something to the nature of "Oh please blah, blah, blah" By this point the crowd would be booing the crap out of Hogan and he would look around the crown nodding his head yes as to say "I don't know why you people are booing, you know I'm right".

[Guest dreamer420]

I used to think that way.  That old Hulk Hogan is lame and that Hollywood was a cooler guy.  Up until Wrestlemania I thought that way and then something magical happened.  Hulkamania was reborn in one of the greatest moments I have seen watching wrestling.  Hulk is back and being driven by a force that even the most cynical of smarks can't stop.

 

You don't have to love but I suggest to go with it and try to have some fun watching wrestling

[Guest Human Fly]

I was thinking the other day that if built up properly at the end of Hogan's retirment match, the crowd pops will be some of the loudest of all time. It could be awesome. Can you imagine if after Hogan's hardfought last match (which has been advertised for a month or two) Real American starts blaring (not the Kid Rock version, who wants that crap?) Hogan could start posing and after a while all of the wrestlers could come out and give him props as well, then carry him out on there shoulders. But then they stop by the entrance way and Hogan gets a few more poses in before leaving. I can picture it going like 20 minutes and having 50,000 on their feet the whole time.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Absolutely, hell Austin was fantastic as well.

 

Hogan as a heel ion WCW was really made to look weak, kind of like Austin heel version 1.0  Can get really unbelieveable bcause the once unstoppable force is now a little bitch, an also how Hogan (53) can beat all the built younger, faster and stronger athletes of the WWF now.

 

He can be the strong heel like HHH was, or even like he was around No Way Out.

 

And remember Hollywood's sweet custom made leather jacket = RATINGS!

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I'm all for the bhig popping Hulkamania riding off into the sunset story.  It would make me mark out and be very happy.  But if he has a 2 year deal, hee needs to do that a lot closer to the end.  The WWF blew their load again dammit and Hogan's last shot that should have been great til the end may fade before his bvery eyes.  I don't want to see that happen.

[Guest dreamer420]

I was thinking the other day that if built up properly at the end of Hogan's retirment match, the crowd pops will be some of the loudest of all time. It could be awesome. Can you imagine if after Hogan's hardfought last match (which has been advertised for a month or two) Real American starts blaring (not the Kid Rock version, who wants that crap?) Hogan could start posing and after a while all of the wrestlers could come out and give him props as well, then carry him out on there shoulders. But then they stop by the entrance way and Hogan gets a few more poses in before leaving. I can picture it going like 20 minutes and having 50,000 on their feet the whole time.

I like that idea a lot.  It would be nice for Hogan to retire like that and he deserves something nice like too.

[Guest Special K]

i definitely agree. If Hogan can gracefully retire, he'll get the sendoff he deserves. He is massively over, even if I don't care for him having the belt. The big question is whether he'll allow himself to go out. He could go out on the top if he retires within a year. If he tries to hang on to the limelight, the magic will be gone though. Something tells me now, though, in his deteriorated physical condition, that this is his last run, and if that is the case, I'm for it.

    I'm just saying by and large, the Hulkamania character is cheesy and past it's prime, while a lot of the Hollywood character was absolute comedic gold, and he did it effortlessly.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Yes, I agree with all of that too.  I didn't mean this as an I hate Hulk post, because I don't.  I just simply feel they went WAY too quickly on the switch from Hollywood to the Hulkster.

I feel it may turn out to be bad business soon.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Well his yellow weightlifting belt still says HOLLYWOOD on it.

[Guest Special K]

Heh, yeah it does. And he is officially HHH now, but like Dan said, I always thought the red n' yellow should have been saved for the last 2 months. I could very well be proved wrong, but when he went r&y in WCW, people got tired quickly. It's really up in the air now. If Vince gave Hogan the belt as his retirement run, then it's a fitting tribute that will have everyone feeling good, and have someone go over in the end.

 

    If not, I'm not a Hogan hater, but he makes the people that face him look aweful (too beaten up to take their offence) and his popularity will wane. I am really hoping that this is his last run. It will be better for business and Hogan (pop a buyrate, elevate someone, everyone leaves with a single fond memory of Hogan) or be awful for both him and the business (stay on top forever for dwindling crowd reactions, elevate no one, go out with no one caring.)

 

    Of course, there is little record of people leaving when it is time. (I still want a Malenko goodbye of somekind. Man can't go like he used to, but he is still more than able. Now it seems we've seen his last match, and I can't even remember what it was.)

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I was thinking the other day that if built up properly at the end of Hogan's retirment match, the crowd pops will be some of the loudest of all time. It could be awesome. Can you imagine if after Hogan's hardfought last match (which has been advertised for a month or two) Real American starts blaring (not the Kid Rock version, who wants that crap?) Hogan could start posing and after a while all of the wrestlers could come out and give him props as well, then carry him out on there shoulders. But then they stop by the entrance way and Hogan gets a few more poses in before leaving. I can picture it going like 20 minutes and having 50,000 on their feet the whole time.

REALITY BREAK:

 

 

Hogan Retire Gracefully? HOGAN Retire GRACEFULLY?

 

Think about that please!

 

 

/REALITY BREAK

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I was saying the same thing about Hogan getting the belt too ealy before. What ever happened to the trhill of the chase?

[Guest]

Come on admit it. No matter how bad a wrestler Hogan is, Hollywood Hogan made you mark out. Made you laugh. Make you want to put your hands through the screen and choke him to death for being such a lying, manuliplative, backstabbing, crooked, bastard! It sure made me. Every Monday Nitro or every WCW pay-per-view I saw in 1997, I really hoped that this time Hogan would lose the title. That's what got me hook. He never lost it. And I waited for the next week. And the next, and the next making WCW tons of money! Then when he came back as a babyface in 1999, it just wasn't the same.

 

Anyway, that is how I feel and I bet you did too.

[Guest]

obviously, there isn't too much in common between Hogan and Austin. However, thier heel versions are freaking hilarious!

 

With Hogan, you had the parody-of-self posing, the ridiculous boas and air guitar, the Flair beg off, and of course "Oh God, God brother, Oh God" selling.

 

With Austin, you got songs, drunking rambling, blatant ass kissing, pouting, paranoia, and Dependency Issues, capatalized because it may be the greatest gimmick in the history of wrestling.

 

Don't get me wrong, Hogan's gimmicks and comic genius (both intentional and unintentional) have never covered up his total lack of character and pitiful wrestling. But at least he was funny.

 

Hulkamania, in the meantime, is just retarded. There will always be people like Hogan Made Wrestling, who for some reason were happier when they were eight, and are mystified by the awesome power of the weight belt and the back rake, brother. But after a couple months, even the most jaded people will get tired of reliving thier childhood, and that's when Hogan's popularity will start to drop. However, Hogan will hold the belt untill at least SummerSlam.

 

As for the Hogan retirement scenario, that would be a great and very popular idea, if we didn't know that Hogan would be back on TV's in a few months.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Come on admit it. No matter how bad a wrestler Hogan is, Hollywood Hogan made you mark out. Made you laugh. Make you want to put your hands through the screen and choke him to death for being such a lying, manuliplative, backstabbing, crooked, bastard! It sure made me. Every Monday Nitro or every WCW pay-per-view I saw in 1997, I really hoped that this time Hogan would lose the title. That's what got me hook. He never lost it. And I waited for the next week. And the next, and the next making WCW tons of money! Then when he came back as a babyface in 1999, it just wasn't the same.

 

Anyway, that is how I feel and I bet you did too.

well he didn't make me mark out. but i did hope he lost the belt. in fact i must of sent hundreds of hate mail to wcw on that very subject.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I hope Hogan doesn't destroy the credibility of the belt now since his crappy offense has no fucking credibility at all. A big boot and leg drop? They are the equivalent to the People's Elbow these days, actually the Rock gets to use those as a finisher so nevermind. HOw the fuck do you kick out of a top rope leg drop, but Hogan's standing leg drop knocks you out? I have trouble believing that Hogan can win without cheating because his offense jsut has no fucking credibility.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

um since when did the belt have credibilty. remember that the first champ ever was a fucking DOG WALKING LOTIAN FETCHING HELD DOWN....sorry I get a little carried away

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

" Uh Tuh Tuh Tuh Uh Luh Luh Luh Luh Luh"

I hate to say this, but I don't get it.

 

I'm guessing it's because I haven't seen WCW, but still..

 

EDIT: Oh, by the way, I know I've mentioned this once before, but a pre-WrestleMania interview with Hogan on WWF.com quoted him as imagining the Red & Yellow returning somewhere down the line, with Hollywood Hogan recognizing the error of his ways or some such idea. You know this man's brain is almost timelocked in the 80's. But anyway, everyone knows Hogan is a bad booker, but even he planned more of a chase than Vince gave him. Talk about the WWF running through storylines too damn fast.