Geez, 3 and a half months is what it took?

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

I think that might be the record for the quickest that the BIGGEST STORYLINE EVER has been flushed down the toilet.

 

Lets see, Hogan is turfed and turned face because of thousands of Hulkamaniacs in Toronto, Nash is on the shelf for a few months and now Hall is fired from the WWE?

 

Some dose of lethal posion huh?

 

So now we have apparantly Ric Flair as defacto leader, X-Suc (You know they never DID have that Flair-Syxx blowoff in WCW) the Big Slow as the big man untill Nash returns into the ring only to drop the Show on his head again, and Nash on the IR (with Flair apparantly nWo does this mean Nash's suspension is lifted?)

 

They screw up the WCW Invasion, and now they even screw up the whole nWo angle.

 

I don't think a hiring of Scott Steiner or Goldberg, ect and plugging them into the nWo will help revive this angle that was supposed to revitalize the storylines.  Do you associate Steiner with the nWo?  Not exactly, he never really do much AS a member of the nWo incarnations that he was a part of.

 

Its like the Horsemen, the fans want to see the following with the Horsemen:  Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard and Barry Windham.  Short of that, unless they either worked with AA and Flair often like Brian Pillman or displayed Horsmen ablilites like Benoit, the fans won't buy it (see Roma, Paul)  So the nWo members that are defined by the words nWo are:

Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Eric Bischoff.

 

Bischoff ain't coming, (Vince won't let him have the control he would want, plus Vince would bury the Bischoff on air character so badly just out of pure spite) Hogan ain't turning back so all you have left is Kevin Nash.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is that its now almost 7 years to the day of the nWo's birth and now you can officially say RIP nWo 1996-2002

 

Unbelieveable, in the timespan of a YEAR the WWF has killed the promotion that at one time was kicking its ass (WCW), and killed the reason WHY it was kicking its ass (nWo)

 

Steve

[Guest]

Its like the Horsemen, the fans want to see the following with the Horsemen:  Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard and Barry Windham.  

 

90% of casual fans don't even know that Blanchard and Windham were in the horsemen. A lot don't even know Anderson was.

[Guest Luke Michael]

I was just thinking the same thing. This is probally the final draw for some fans. For the last 2 years every big storyline has been ruined.

 

 

I really hope they don't go with this Austin vs Flair/Show angle for much longer. It sucks so bad. They are going to have to sign Goldberg or something to save RAW. Or they could go on with the stars they have now and actually build them up. I think a great longterm feud could be made with Austin vs Brock. Of course they would rush it and ruin it like all feuds they do.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

>90% of casual fans don't even know that Blanchard and >Windham were in the horsemen. A lot don't even know >Anderson was.

 

I'm not talking right now, I was referring to back in 92 when they were going to "get the band back together" and everyone thought Windham and Blanchard were coming back and instead (yeah I know the contract talks with Tully fell through but still  ANYONE but the choice they made) instead we get PAUL FRICKING ROMA!

 

Like I said though it was easier to buy Pillman and Benoit as Horsemen because Brian had worked with Flair and AA and Benoit was Horseman material so Paul Roma was SO out of the blue it was riddiculous.  Okay so Steiner won't be that bad, but you get my point.

 

And yeah, I agree they are not doing any more Horsemen Reuions, just like they pretty much killed any more nWo or D-X reuions (D-X's demise is another story ALL together) due to it being now some time since the Horsemen meant something and therefore the classic members are forgotten but my point was that if you are doing a reuion the way the WWF has tried to do (not to mention both X-Pac and Big Show WERE  members of the nWo during their formitive days so TECHNICALLY they can be considered classic nWo members)

 

Steve

[Guest Luke Michael]

A Horsemen reunion might be cool. Maybe Ric Flair, Chris Benoit and then maybe Edge??, Dean Malenko??, Christian??, Randy Orton??.

 

 

Of course like usual....The booking team will fuck it up!

[Guest Ravenbomb]

I'd kinda like to see Jericho (as the leader), Benoit, Kanyon (I dunno either), and Brock Lesner in a 4 Horsemen thing...

[Guest Some Guy]

Geez, 3 and a half months is what it took?

 

Acually it took about 2 weeks.  When Hall was squashed by Rock on SD! that was the beginning of the end.  They made Austin's WM opponent look like just another wrestler that the Rock could easily beat and Austin carting Hall around taped to a chair wasn't exactly good for the angle, neigther was th booking of the Hall/Austin WM match.  Not letting the nWo be themselves on TV killed the angle as well, no surveys, no 2 sweet, no 4-life, very few Hey Yo's.  Fans were expeting to see that shit not the nWo have one good night and then be jobbed out like the WCW guys.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

I remember when they had a Canadian Horsemen thing going on for a bit with Jericho being the leader.  A Jericho/Storm/Christian/Test combo could've been pretty kickass.  They could've called it Canadian Stampede or something (why does that name ring a bell?)

 

Anyway, the point is that the WW(E)F screws everything up.  Right now, a win by WCW at the invasion seems like it could've been a good idea.  However, hind-sight is always 100%.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I remember when they had a Canadian Horsemen thing going on for a bit with Jericho being the leader,

 

Not to be a dick, but that statement tickled me because you made it seem as if you were mentioning an obscure peice of wrestling trivia that was exclusive to you instead of you mentioning an angle that was happening all of 3 months ago.

[Guest mathbrat]

It shouldn't have been three months, it never should have happened to begin with. To borrow a line, this is the WWE's worst self-inflicted wound.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Heh, yeah, I was just not trying to seem like a know-it-all I suppose, that's why I said that, I guess....

 

yeah...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

three and a half?

 

I got news for you.

 

If you count Raw as the point where it killed the angle...that would only be 2 and a half months.

 

They debuted at No Way Out.  NWO to Mania is 1 month.  Mania to Backlash is 2.  Backlash to now is 1/2.

 

But I think the NWO angle dies when they had to turn Hogan because he was too over as a face.  

 

1 month IMO.

 

of course a case could be made that they blew it when Austin tied Hall up and had the Nwo running scared.  

 

That would be...what?  2 weeks?  Less?

[Guest]

In my opinion, the nWo angle fell flat the night they debuted. They came out and were like "Hey, we don't want to make trouble, we just want to put on a good show". Uh...yeah. So much for "poison", unless you intend to BORE us to death. (...funny coincidence, that.) I mean, I never really watched WCW, so I didn't know much about the nWo. And I think a lot of fans were like that too...it was really important to get across why we should be so impressed with the nWo. And there wasn't any effort to do that.

 

I think the whole problem was that there was this "Sports Entertainment" mold that everything had to be fit into. The nWo couldn't seem like they were ACTUALLY messing with the show...all they could really do was run in and interfere in matches, and do contrived "injury" stuff. Ho hum. New and different? What's that?

[Guest Austin3164life]

Like I have said a countless amount of times (yet no one seems to listen), Hogan, Hall, and Nash should have never been hired in the first place.  Didn't Vince realize what really caused the downfall of WCW?  Now that the WWF has changed its name to WWE (it'll be harder for the mainstream audience to connect), the ratings will continue to slip.  Bringing back older figures of wrestling and sticking them in the nWo for no reason wont pop ratings at all.  Plus, I'm so sick of hearing about this "Hulkamania" nostalgia parade.  It's obvious most of the mans heat is starting to dim, but the WWE is just turning into a somewhat shattered reflection of WCW circa 1999-2000.  Here's a thought for Vince.  Try elevating some younger (and fresher) talent......

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm gonna miss Hall.

 

Dont ask me why.

 

At least he'll still be on the WMX8 game.

 

So we can relive his 2.5 months he lasted in the WW...E.

 

And this time the matches will be better too.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I think that might be the record for the quickest that the BIGGEST STORYLINE EVER has been flushed down the toilet.>>>

 

 

Biggest storyline ever?

 

The nWo?

 

The nWo was dead back in 1998. They should have never been signed in the first place.

 

 

<<<Lets see, Hogan is turfed and turned face because of thousands of Hulkamaniacs in Toronto, Nash is on the shelf for a few months and now Hall is fired from the WWE?

 

Some dose of lethal posion huh?

 

So now we have apparantly Ric Flair as defacto leader, X-Suc (You know they never DID have that Flair-Syxx blowoff in WCW) the Big Slow as the big man untill Nash returns into the ring only to drop the Show on his head again, and Nash on the IR (with Flair apparantly nWo does this mean Nash's suspension is lifted?)

 

They screw up the WCW Invasion, and now they even screw up the whole nWo angle.>>>

 

 

Can't blame them for the nWo debacle. They signed three guys who have nothing in the tank and terrible mic skills. The fans went nuts for Hogan (but didn't actually want to pay to see him---something the WWE has yet to fully realize) but they NEVER responded much to Hall or Nash.

 

 

<<<I don't think a hiring of Scott Steiner or Goldberg, ect and plugging them into the nWo will help revive this angle that was supposed to revitalize the storylines.  Do you associate Steiner with the nWo?  Not exactly, he never really do much AS a member of the nWo incarnations that he was a part of.>>>

 

 

They shouldn't sign Steiner or GB because neither guy can draw, either.

 

You'd think the non-impact on the ratings, attendance, buyrates, etc of signing Flair, Hogan, Hall, and Nash might finally show that in an attempt to improve ratings, signing guys who didn't deliver in WCW isn't the best move.

 

 

<<<Its like the Horsemen, the fans want to see the following with the Horsemen:  Arn Anderson, Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard and Barry Windham.>>>

 

 

I always thought the Luger group was the best of the bunch. They definitely got the most heat for the longest time.

 

 

<<<Short of that, unless they either worked with AA and Flair often like Brian Pillman or displayed Horsmen ablilites like Benoit, the fans won't buy it (see Roma, Paul)  So the nWo members that are defined by the words nWo are:

Hollywood Hogan, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Eric Bischoff.

 

Bischoff ain't coming, (Vince won't let him have the control he would want, plus Vince would bury the Bischoff on air character so badly just out of pure spite) >>>

 

 

Why in the heck would ANYBODY give EB ANY control? Didn't his disastrous run at WCW (successful for 1996-98; an unmitigated disaster for 1993-1995 and 1999) show that he is not a guy to give much control to?

 

And his mic skills stunk royally, so I'd bury him, too.

 

 

<<<Hogan ain't turning back so all you have left is Kevin Nash.

 

Basically what I'm trying to say is that its now almost 7 years to the day of the nWo's birth and now you can officially say RIP nWo 1996-2002>>>

 

 

nWo was dead in 1998. WCW tried to revive them a few times and it bombed every single time.

 

 

<<<Unbelieveable, in the timespan of a YEAR the WWF has killed the promotion that at one time was kicking its ass (WCW)>>>

 

 

WCW killed itself.

 

 

<<<, and killed the reason WHY it was kicking its ass (nWo)>>>

 

 

Again, nWo was dead long before the WWE attempted to touch it.

                   -=Mike