Guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 from observer Raw saw a ratings rebound last night, doing a 4.1 rating for the night, ending three straight weeks of many years lows.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 Normal logic: The push of Benoit, Guererro, and Flair as heels is actually garnering interest. WWE logic: Shawn Michaels, vomit, and the Undertaker are carrying the company, and should be given huge pushes accordingly. Makes you wonder what they would have done with Droz had he been around right now.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 Now... With this be interpreted as 'last weeks raw was so good that fans tuned in this week', thus provoking the WWF into giving us more EDDIE vs. RVD-type matches. OR.. With this be interpreted as 'this weeks raw was so good that fans tuned in and stayed', thus bringing us more pee jokes and Mcmahon/Austin-esque storylines.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 ok RIKI, seems like you answered my question before I asked it... Here's a cookie.
Guest Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 Normal logic: The push of Benoit, Guererro, and Flair as heels is actually garnering interest. WWE logic: Shawn Michaels, vomit, and the Undertaker are carrying the company, and should be given huge pushes accordingly. Makes you wonder what they would have done with Droz had he been around right now. Well with all due respect Shawn Michaels is a ratings draw and everything I've read about about the ratings, list Shawn as a contributing factor to people tuning in. Whether you like the guy or not, 80% of wrestlings fans are not smarks or even anywhere near the "insider" label, and they have no knowledge or care about Shawn's backstage antics, attitude etc.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted June 4, 2002 Report Posted June 4, 2002 But how would they know Shawn? He left in 98. A good amount of fans came in 99/2000. HBK wasn't even a ratings man when he was on top of the WWF. His appearance was short and unannounced, and the fact that the WWF has blown so many 'surprise announcements' in the past, I doubt that fans would actually want to stay tuned to have their intelligence insulted again.
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 I'd like to think that the awesome war that Eddy and RVD had last week had people calling their friends saying they should watch.
Guest Flyboy Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 I'd like to think that the awesome war that Eddy and RVD had last week had people calling their friends saying they should watch. That was what I was thinking...
Guest RetroRob215 Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 What happened last night probably had nothing to do with the rating the show got. It was all about last weeks Raw. Now if they actually hyped the HBK return I would give him some credit, but since they didn't the fans had to of tuned in because of the Ladder Match. Or maybe they read that Dreamer was fighting the Undertaker on WWE.com and felt the need to watch the show.
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 What happened last night probably had nothing to do with the rating the show got. It was all about last weeks Raw. Now if they actually hyped the HBK return I would give him some credit, but since they didn't the fans had to of tuned in because of the Ladder Match. Or maybe they read that Dreamer was fighting the Undertaker on WWE.com and felt the need to watch the show. Hmm. That would actually be a good reason to not watch. I think they should avoid putting match announcements up like that. If they are going to have Dreamer Taker in a Vomit that looks like Split Pea Soup match, they should do it without announcing it prior. Just say Takers gonna be there to wrestle.
Guest Kahran Ramsus Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 Shawn Michaels is not a draw. He was one of the worst drawing champions in history (Only Sid is worse), and RAW didn't actually beat Nitro in the ratings until after he lost. He was a great wrestler, but a lousy draw. Besides, Michaels was on for like two seconds, with no warning. He wouldn't have had any impact on the ratings for this RAW. Now if he pops a good rating next week, come tell me.
Guest Dangerous A Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 I have to say this ratings mini-spike is not in direct correlation with Mr. Hickenbottom's return. I also think that now with Austin "off the bench" and able to wrestle, next weeks ratings will either keep or get better. Lets just hope RVD or Eddy figure their way into the main. I am calling RVD and Austin vs Eddy and either Lesnar or Flair. That might be the shiznit.
Guest El Satanico Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 There's no way that WWe or any web site can link HBK with the ratings increasing at this point. No one knew he was coming so there's no way that more people watched because of his return. If the ratings increases a good amount next week then WWe and web sites can say that HBK may be responsible, but at this point there is no link. The RVD/Eddy/Beniot pushes have to be given at least part of the credit for the increase. Vince and WWe can't be blind enough to totally ignore that. But if they are then WWe's in bigger trouble then imagined. But i think another thing responsible for the increase is that both shows are improved overall. Neither show is amazingly good at this point but both overall shows have improved. They still have a long way to go to truly be good but at least they are showing fans that they are improving which will help to convince them to give it more of a chance.
Guest razazteca Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 Normal logic: Ratings went up with the success of Booker T & Goldust comedy WWE logic: Bradshaw, XPac, Hardy Boys, Trish vs Terri soft porn made the ratings spike
Guest Invader3k Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 >Shawn Michaels is not a draw. He was one of the worst >drawing champions in history (Only Sid is worse)... Actually, I always thought that Diesel was the worst, as far as drawing goes...plus I never liked him personally when he was champion. I didn't buy any of that "I'm so cool, I'm the man" attitude that he always tried to push on TV.
Guest Shadow Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 >Shawn Michaels is not a draw. He was one of the worst >drawing champions in history (Only Sid is worse)... Actually, I always thought that Diesel was the worst, as far as drawing goes...plus I never liked him personally when he was champion. I didn't buy any of that "I'm so cool, I'm the man" attitude that he always tried to push on TV. You're right. Worst-drawing champions in WWF history go Diesel worst, then Sid, then Shawn. Of course, these are the same fans who for two years kept the WCW on top with Hogan as World Champion battling Piper in GERIATRIC CHALLENGES~!, so I think we all know the fans are idiots.
Guest papacita Posted June 5, 2002 Report Posted June 5, 2002 I'm not gonna argue with the fact that HBK had nothing to do with the Raw ratings this week, but saying Shawn's not a draw is bullshit. As much as smarks like to hate on the man for his backstage antics, in 95-96 Shawn Michaels was one of, if not the most popular man in wrestling (he even won that award from PWI, if I recall...not that that means anything though). A lot of people look at the WWF's lack of success during this period and blame it on Shawn's title reign, when IMO the WWF's problems were largely due to WCW's red hot nWo angle and WWF's outdated booking than anything Shawn did. And the thing about Raw not beating Nitro until after he lost the title, I seriously doubt that thousands of people deliberately waited until the belt was off of HBK to start tuning into Raw again (even though I'll admit it'd be pretty damn funny if they did).
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