Guest BigTim2002 Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 OK. WHO THE HELL SHARES my sentiments that the WWE is COMPLETELY destroying the Cruiserweight division? I mean, yes, Rey Mysterio, Jr. coming back (WITH HIS MASK~!) but seriously, unless you can change the Cruiserweights to adapt to HIS style, (and for that, Vince would have to die, because he doesn't want anyone to get hurt, plus he LOVES the heavyweight style here...much like the way I like my AJPW heavyweight style...which means I don't.) the cruiserweight division just becomes small guys wrestling like big guys, and that, I can't stand, since a LOT of these guys can fly like nobody's business. THOUGHTS~!???????
Guest Austin3164life Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 LoL, just kidding. I agree with you, man. It's not always the best thing to watch Main Eventers. Cruiserweights are there to get the fans into the show, and sometimes be the "show stealers". Vince is blind to that fact and is obsessed with the Main Event scene.......
Guest BigTim2002 Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 You know what, this is all...Hogan's fault. (Stay with me on this) At Wrestlemania III, Hulk was PISSED that Ricky/Savage was the better match that night, and he let Vince know about it. I think Vince has never forgotten it, and made sure that the bigger guys who can't wrestle, make sure that they are ALWAYS better than the little guys who can. Just a bunch of bull shit. Oh yeah, and AustinHHH4Life, I need to figure out to get a picture on here.
Guest Fook_Hing_Ho Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Negative: The division will never get over if they have to wrestle the same style as the heavyweights. Positive: It looks like the division will be centered around Rey when he debuts and he can undoubtedly get the fans interested in the division. It seems only time will tell if they will become successful or not.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 The problem here is that fans have been taught not to give a shit about Cruiserweights for so long that getting them over as a division is frustrating as hell. The most important part is giving them something completely different from what they get in the heavyweight division. That's why pushing Tajiri was a great idea; his Muta-light character along with his Ohtani-esque manerisms and ridiculously stiff kicks, was completely unlike anything the fans had seen before. For a while it looked like he and Kidman were the only ones that Vince had the balls to push, and that's not neccesarily a bad thing. However, once Billy decided he didn't want to be paired wth Torrie, they decided to burry the entire angle, putting Tajiri in a feud with Maven, of all people. Big mistake. The problem with the current division is that they're trying to get it over with the characters instead of the style. Before booking ANOTHER love triangle feud, they need to get the division over as something different. Hurricane and Noble, despite busting out a few really crazy spots, are not different enough from the norm to really make people take notice. Basically, Hurricane is still doing his comedy gimick and Noble wresltes like a mini-Benoit. Those two still deserve spots in the division, but not as it's cornerstones. They need to push Tajiri again, and put Rey over as an absolute God, because while he isn't near the level he was at with the mask in WCW, he's still something totally different and he'll get the entire division over because of it.
Guest BoboBrazil Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 If they aren't going to let the cruiserweights wrestle a high flying style, they might as well do away with the division and just let them wrestle the bigger guys.
Guest Anglesault Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Good idea. All cruiser hate aside, isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?
Guest Trivia247 Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 For a successful Cruiserweight Division you gonna have to have more Cruiser matches than one a week, work more guys than the usual 2. Let them fly and Let up on the WWE Stranglation Restrictive Moveset guidelines and Let them do their own thing. But... Nevah gonna happen. I wonder if Vince has all these wrestlers on his insurance plan and thats why he cut the moves, so he wouldn't have to pay for them when they get injured.
Guest BigTim2002 Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 If they DO push Rey like they are with the video montages and stuff? Then Vince might be on the right track...
Guest Prince Paul Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 As stated many times on this board, everything must be WWE style now, which to me tranlsates to :"suck style." Austin's matches should look like Austins matches and Tajiri's should look like...you get the point. All of this "everyone must wrestle alike so we're all on the same page" crap has to stop.
Guest BigTim2002 Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Why can't we have people who know about different wrestling styles booking, instead of these people who think that good STORIES are the key to wrestling? Man, the product must really suck...
Guest Human Fly Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 I've only seen the video for Rey on Heat and Raw. Mayeb he won't even be in the cruiserweight division. I know that would be strange, but has anyone seen th evideo on a Smackdown show?
Guest Brian Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 "isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?" You can either be the stars of your own division which since the split has almost guaranteed TV time, or you can be buried individually with no hope to progress up the card.
Guest GreenMist Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Velocity lineup this week: Tajiri vs. Albert(okay, okay, so Albert's not a CW, bear with me) Kidman vs. Funaki Hurricane vs. Christian Jamie Noble vs. Chavo AND on SD, they have a tag match of Hurricane/Kidman vs. Noble/Tajiri. It's a start, I suppose.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 If they want to push them, that's great! It was the one thing that left WCW watchable back in the day. However, if they force them to wrestle a heavyweight type style, then I see no point of them even being in WWF. Like, having Hurricane do the choke slam (how original is that). If the Cruiserweight will be succesfull, they need to have it appear different than all the other guys on the roster... ...that is what will set it apart, and that is what will lead to it being a succes. Call it alternate programing if you will.
Guest Anglesault Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 "isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?" You can either be the stars of your own division which since the split has almost guaranteed TV time, or you can be buried individually with no hope to progress up the card. I don't see how anyone can enter a division that is only there because people deem them to small for the big title and progress up the card. I just think the whole concept of a crusierweight title is kind of stupid, and not only because I hate cruisers. It gives off the impression that they think they can only beat people in their own weight class.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 "isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?" You can either be the stars of your own division which since the split has almost guaranteed TV time, or you can be buried individually with no hope to progress up the card. I don't see how anyone can enter a division that is only there because people deem them to small for the big title and progress up the card. I just think the whole concept of a crusierweight title is kind of stupid, and not only because I hate cruisers. It gives off the impression that they think they can only beat people in their own weight class. Ok, so what would you do with a guy like Rey Jr.? He would simply be lost a just another guy. However, in the Cruiser division, he can rule all and become a credible champion. Do you really see a match like Rey Jr. Vs. Taker or HHH?
Guest Anglesault Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 "isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?" You can either be the stars of your own division which since the split has almost guaranteed TV time, or you can be buried individually with no hope to progress up the card. I don't see how anyone can enter a division that is only there because people deem them to small for the big title and progress up the card. I just think the whole concept of a crusierweight title is kind of stupid, and not only because I hate cruisers. It gives off the impression that they think they can only beat people in their own weight class. Ok, so what would you do with a guy like Rey Jr.? He would simply be lost a just another guy. However, in the Cruiser division, he can rule all and become a credible champion. In a division that basically states "Not good enough to beat anyone bigger" I don't consider that credible. I could see someone like Rey being a tag champ.
Guest Fook_Hing_Ho Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 And that's the problem with how they're booking the cruiserweight division. They're basically saying "You small guys can't beat anyone bigger so we're gonna have you fight each other". They need to push the division as an alternative to the heavyweight style so people don't compare Kidman to Kane. It works well in boxing. You would never see Felix Trinidad vs. Lennox Lewis, and fans don't argue over who is better because they have been taught that you cannot compare the two weight classes.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 "isn't it kind of detrimental to limit these guys to one weight class?" You can either be the stars of your own division which since the split has almost guaranteed TV time, or you can be buried individually with no hope to progress up the card. I don't see how anyone can enter a division that is only there because people deem them to small for the big title and progress up the card. I just think the whole concept of a crusierweight title is kind of stupid, and not only because I hate cruisers. It gives off the impression that they think they can only beat people in their own weight class. Ok, so what would you do with a guy like Rey Jr.? He would simply be lost a just another guy. However, in the Cruiser division, he can rule all and become a credible champion. In a division that basically states "Not good enough to beat anyone bigger" I don't consider that credible. I could see someone like Rey being a tag champ. Understood, I'd love to see Rey as a tag champ, as I loved his work in WCW. However, do you not see the idea in having a singles division for the Cruisers to get a singles title, in order to showcase them and their more specific talents? Without such a division, a guy like Rey would almost never get a singles title, and when he did get one, it will be looked at as a joke more than anything, because of his size. But with him having a devision where his size is somewhat common place, then he is allowed to really shine that much more, and go down as a credible singles champion.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 And that's the problem with how they're booking the cruiserweight division. They're basically saying "You small guys can't beat anyone bigger so we're gonna have you fight each other". They need to push the division as an alternative to the heavyweight style so people don't compare Kidman to Kane. It works well in boxing. You would never see Felix Trinidad vs. Lennox Lewis, and fans don't argue over who is better because they have been taught that you cannot compare the two weight classes. Do you remember when WCW used to put, say, the three top Cruisers in the company in a match with Scott Steiner and they would have him just squash them all at the same time? If WWE will have the division, they NEED to stay seperate, like I said before... ...like alternate programing.
Guest Army Eye Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Do you remember when WCW used to put, say, the three top Cruisers in the company in a match with Scott Steiner and they would have him just squash them all at the same time? Nah. They used to do that, but with jobbers, not the top cruisers.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Do you remember when WCW used to put, say, the three top Cruisers in the company in a match with Scott Steiner and they would have him just squash them all at the same time? Nah. They used to do that, but with jobbers, not the top cruisers. You obviously do not remember what I'm speaking of then, lol. They went through a period where they would have the top Cruisers, even the champion, and pit them against Steiner, and other such as him, and they would have them be simply destroyed. I have it on tape, as I used to tape every single Cruiser match, regardless of what they were.
Guest Ripper Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Or when Steve Williams came in during a 6 man Tag match and injured 6 of the top cruisers in the match. ALL 6.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Or when Steve Williams came in during a 6 man Tag match and injured 6 of the top cruisers in the match. ALL 6. Why did you just remind me of that? WCW may have been the home of some damn fine Cruiser action, but they had their times where they just f*cked it up also.
Guest Ripper Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Yeah...I am usually the master at spoting real injuries during a match, even if they try to cover it up. I was watching that like: "I think he might have really gotten hurt there...OHHH....him too....OOOOHHHH!!!!!....him too....OHHHHHH!!!!!!!....damn, him too.....OOOHHHH!!!!!!....just stop, you're blowing ever move and hurting them all you dumb........OHHHHHH!!!!!....STOP YOU MORON, STO....OHHHH!!! DEAR GOD... You just injure 6 guys and now I have to listen to Ed Ferrera cut a promo...Di...DId I die or something...am I in hell?" yep, thats exactly how it went.
Guest Downhome Posted June 26, 2002 Report Posted June 26, 2002 Yeah...I am usually the master at spoting real injuries during a match, even if they try to cover it up. I was watching that like: "I think he might have really gotten hurt there...OHHH....him too....OOOOHHHH!!!!!....him too....OHHHHHH!!!!!!!....damn, him too.....OOOHHHH!!!!!!....just stop, you're blowing ever move and hurting them all you dumb........OHHHHHH!!!!!....STOP YOU MORON, STO....OHHHH!!! DEAR GOD... You just injure 6 guys and now I have to listen to Ed Ferrera cut a promo...Di...DId I die or something...am I in hell?" yep, thats exactly how it went. Funniest, quote, of, the, day. I was like that also though, however, I must admit I enjoyed seeing him stiff them, I guess I thought I was watching Puroresu or something.
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