Kurt Angle: Should he go for Olympics 2004 or not?

[Guest Downhome]

It is no secret that Kurt Angle will possible leaving and being gone for up to two years to train, and ultimatly take part in the 2002 Summer Olympics, that is common knowledge. I'm simply wondering what all of you think about this? Will this damage Kurt Angle's Pro. wrestling career, or will it take it to the next leval? What if he wins, and more specificly, what if he looses? Kurt seems to be entering the next phase of his WWE career, and it's for the better. He seems to be showing more and more character every time out, and evolving more than ever now a days. So, are you ok he is leaving, or are you slightly ticked at this possibility?

 

If he does leave, how should they book him from now untill December? I personally think that he should go for it if he truly wants to, as 2004 would be his only real chance at a repeat to winning the gold once more. Hell, even in 2004 he will be one of the "older guys" taking part. So what do you think, should he go or stay, and what do you feel will happen to him IF he decides to go for it?

 

Sincerely,

...Downhome...

[Guest Anglesault]

If the WWF has nothing planned for him, then he should give it a go.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

No, because if he loses, then it will ruin his Olympic hero credibility. It's a big gamble at his age.

[Guest Dangerous A]

It is an incredible risk for Angle to try for 2004.

 

If he wins, he could be Austin/Hogan over.

 

If he doesn't even make the trials or gets embarassed in the Olympics, it could signal the end of his pro career.

 

Personally I don't want him to go. He needs to be the cornerstone to building a new WWE. One that hopefully heads towards actually educating fans in real wrestling and submissions and such. He is also the most entertaining person besides Austin and Rock. I also understand he has a new kid on the way this december and he is already working hurt (small injuries like his knee, which needs to be scoped) and that may get him training for gold at the end of the year instead of on the road with WWE. Hopefully he stays here. If he gets a big push, which I think started with the Hogan match, than that may also keep him happy enough to stay in WWE.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

he would lose alot of credibility if he lost. PLus for his weight class, he would have to lose like 40 pounds and then gain back 10 to be ripped and in "wrestling" shape. Thats pretty hard to fluzuate weight when you haven;t done it in a while and you are getting up in age.

 

--Rob

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes, if he loses he's fucked. But if he leaves, maybe Stephanie will get replaced in the interim, and by the time he comes back, someone who DOESN'T hate Angle will be writing.

[Guest Anglesault]

On a totally unrelated note, Downhome, I just saw Memento. DAMN.

[Guest Downhome]

Is it 100% certain he is going to do it, or has he not decided yet? I don't remember!

[Guest RobJohnstone]

i'm sorry, how do you know steph hates angle? I did not know this, can you explain, I feel like I have been left out of the loop. I am not trying to be sarcastic, I just want to know for real. If you can get inside info like that, that no one knows about, I will bankroll a newsletter and we can make some money like the torch or observer.

 

--Rob

[Guest Anglesault]

I find it hard to imagine her liking him and writing this shit for him. Besides, he IS a threat to HHH.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Angle is also probably the best performer on the entire WWE roster right now. He's having good matches with EVERYBODY. And I'll be damned if that Ankle Lock spot that he did in his match with Hogan wasn't one of the coolest spots that I have ever seen. Angle is God.

[Guest Downhome]

Besides, he IS a threat to HHH.

He is a threat to EVERYONE, and he is THE future of WWE. I really hope he doesn't risk loosing what could be by leaving, and if he does leave, he DAMN sure best win! On a side note...

 

...check your PM's Anglesault.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

ok, I have an explanation for why angle does not have the title, but you have to step back and take a look at it, instead of being defensive............ OK, angle is pretty young, like rock, so giving him long reigns now, you really spoil the later part of his career. You have to spread them out a bit, angle was champion last year, and I am sure he will have a reign later this year, or early next. It is unlikely you get another hogan situation in a major market promotion holding a title for 3 years in a row. To keep it fresh they need to give everybody a little bit. Now I am a fan of angle's, and he is over, and he does get crappy storylines, but who doesn't? Look at helms or booker t or anyone. It's terrible. Seriously dude you should stop singleing out angle and start looking at the whole picture, because your posts are extremely ignorant to the fact. Think about it.

 

--Rob

[Guest Anglesault]

e is a threat to EVERYONE, and he is THE future of WWE

 

Then PUSH HIM DAMNIT. Everytime he starts to get on a role, he hits a mjor speed bump.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I find it hard to imagine her liking him and writing this shit for him. Besides, he IS a threat to HHH.

You mean like going over Hogan cleanly? Oh yeah, that is just pure shit

[Guest Anglesault]

ok, I have an explanation for why angle does not have the title, but you have to step back and take a look at it, instead of being defensive............ OK, angle is pretty young, like rock, so giving him long reigns now, you really spoil the later part of his career.  You have to spread them out a bit, angle was champion last year, and I am sure he will have a reign later this year, or early next.  It is unlikely you get another hogan situation in a major market promotion holding a title for 3 years in a row.  To keep it fresh they need to give everybody a little bit.

No, he doesn't alway have to have the title, but he should always be in the HUNT. He hasn't been since February.

 

You mean like going over Hogan cleanly? Oh yeah, that is just pure shit

 

Like getting his head shaved. like wasting three months with Kane and Edge. Like cheating to beat Bob Holly-Twice. Like getting his pants pulled down every show. Like wearing a goofy wig. Need I go on?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

when jarrett got his head shaved in 98, he became a much better character and started to get over in a new gimmick. Also, he gets alot of his heat from being a jackass, that's his character. If you've been a fan of his since early 00 when he started talking, he was always a jackass, thus how he gets over. He is always in the hunt, you can always stick him in the ME fued and he will get over, but for right now I guess they were trying to get edge over via his expense. And he should get edge over, how many times does the rock job to get people over, it's a something that needs to be done. I think you want angle to get a stronghold on the business like hogan did for all those years, which will never happen again. Anyone who ME's for WWF in more than 3 ppv's can step into the ME anytime and be over, so he is always in the hunt. Also he has history with holly so I guess it goes, holly trys harder against angle because of the broken arm, for storyline history purposes, hey atleast he won right?

 

--Rob

[Guest Anglesault]

The Jarrett situation is much different then the Angle one. Jarrett didn't walk around in a wig.

 

Anyone who ME's for WWF in more than 3 ppv's can step into the ME anytime and be over, so he is always in the hunt.  

 

Booker T. Vince McMahon. The Big Show. Kane.

 

 

 

 

Also he has history with holly so I guess it goes, holly trys harder against angle because of the broken arm, for storyline history purposes, hey atleast he won right?

 

 

 

Angle was able to beat Holly clean before ANY of Angle's title reigns. He should be able to now. Plus, Holly is not much more than a jobber.

 

how many times does the rock job to get people over, it's a something that needs to be done.  I think you want angle to get a stronghold on the

 

Rock is a six time champ. And he never looks bad when he puts someone over.

[Guest Downhome]

Like getting his head shaved. like wasting three months with Kane and Edge. Like cheating to beat Bob Holly-Twice. Like getting his pants pulled down every show. Like wearing a goofy wig. Need I go on?

Still, he DID beat Hulk Hogan, a FACE Hulk Hogan clean in the middle of the ring. He also didn't just BEAT him, but him made him submit, something that I do not think a FACE Hulk Hogan has ever done in his entire career. This has to count for something, and you must at least admit that someone must have something great in store for the guy for allowing him to do that.

 

Also, I do not think his feuds with Kane or Edge was wasted time. He actually pulled some damn fine entertaining matches out of Kane (not to mention he f'n made Kane tap clean) and he also pulled out some great matches with Edge, something that no one has been able to do really in Edge's solo career. Angle is one of the reasons that Edge is so over now, so for that Angle must get credit. As far of his thing with Holly goes, I actually enjoyed that as it solidified his being a heel that much more, where he'll do whatever it takes to win, to get to the top once again. Also, concering his wig, I despised that and thought it did make him look like a joke, and I'm damn glad that he apparently has droped the wig deal, it was retarded to begin with. I don't think I need to mention the pulling down of the pants thing, as that is simply uncalled for in every way possible.

 

I like Kurt's new look by the way, it makes him look that much more intense, that much more of a threat. I don't think you, or any of us Angle fans have anything to worry about, because Kurt Angle will have that Undisputed World Title around his waist soon, very soon. He's about to get repaid for all that he has done to help the company, and he will be repaid very highly.

[Guest Anglesault]

Also, I do not think his feuds with Kane or Edge was wasted time. He actually pulled some damn fine entertaining matches out of Kane (not to mention he f'n made Kane tap clean) and he also pulled out some great matches with Edge, something that no one has been able to do really in Edge's solo career. Angle is one of the reasons that Edge is so over now, so for that Angle must get credit. As far of his thing with Holly goes, I actually enjoyed that as it solidified his being a heel that much more, where he'll do whatever it takes to win, to get to the top once again

 

Kane tapped clean. Unless you count that Austin run in and vicious chair shots to the ankle...

 

And great matches aside, taht time would have been better served putting Angle in the world title hunt and seeing if Edge could get ober ON HIS OWN.

 

I think Angle would have looked MUCH better if he just mowed Holly down like he did to the Godfather in February. It would make him look like a HUGE bad ass.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

ok you brought up some good points, first off I don;t consider vince a part of this, so I think we can agree to leave him out of this..... OK now that's done

 

When did booker or big show me ppv's in 1on one events, I said 3 times also. Tag team main events don;t really count, cause then you could say the dudleys main evented a ppv . Also, my memory is cloudy, but don;t remember kane main eventing three 1 on 1 ppv's and if he did then he has to be the exception. I mean they never know what they want to do with him in general, first he doesn;t talk, then he has scars, then no scars, a voice box??? That kind of inconsistancy does not even compare to what you accuse them of doing to angle.

 

Maybe he shouldn't have cheated on holly, you may be right, I guess they decided one week that holly was to get pushed, and the next not. I do not endorse the wwe writing crew lately, the arguement is why is just angle being buried right? But I will say you are probably right here.

 

As for the rock, he has been sued a few times as a transistional champ, so those 6 times can't really be looked at like hart's reigns. Also he jobbed 3 WM's in a row, I think you should give the man credit for that, he definitly pays his dues, and I am not even a fan of his. I think with angle ebing so over he should give back, they need new stars desperatly, and angle can get people over by his heat, so if they move him down for a while to get people like edge over, it helps him staying fresh in the ME scene when needed, and it helps the company because he brings up new ME caliber people. What do you think?

 

--Rob

[Guest CanadianChick]

but everything can't be done just to get Angle over and give him great oppertunities, Anglesault. With what Angle did more than one person got a oppertunity and got over. With your way, only Angle would benifit, and not the other wrestlers taht Angle helped to get over.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kane main evented

Austin vs. Kane (Kotr)

Taker vs. Austin vs. Kane (Breakdown)

Taker vs. Kane (Judgment Day)

Kane vs. HHH vs. Bulldog vs. Mankind vs. Rock Big Show (Unforgiven)

Kane and Taker vs. Trips and Austin(Backlash)

Kane/Taker/Austin/Jericho/Angle vs. Booker T/Rhyno/DDP/Dudley Boyz(InVasion)

Kane/Taker/Big Show/Rock/Jericho vs. Austin/Angle/Shane/Booker/RVD (Survivor Series)

[Guest claydude14]

most marks still consider kane an unstopable force who can step into the ME at anytime. booker main evented last years summerslam with rock, big show had 2 main ppv main events non tag that i can remember, 4way and 3way(where he won. worst champ ever.) and ummm yea, your points seem to hold up.

[Guest Downhome]

Kane tapped clean. Unless you count that Austin run in and vicious chair shots to the ankle...

I seemed to remember Angle making Kane tap clean, and another time how you said. If I'm wrong, forgive me and I'll go back and sit in the corner.

[Guest Anglesault]

. I think with angle ebing so over he should give back, they need new stars desperatly, and angle can get people over by his heat, so if they move him down for a while to get people like edge over, it helps him staying fresh in the ME scene when needed, and it helps the company because he brings up new ME caliber people. What do you think?

 

--Rob

But was four months in a row really necessary?

[Guest RobJohnstone]

I think the same could be said for the rock jobbing 3 WM in a row. Hey you like angle, thats cool, but he can not dominate, let him chill back, when he gets his time to shine it will be that much better.

 

--Rob

[Guest Anglesault]

Like I said, he didn't even have to be DOIMINANT, just a threat. He wasn't anywhere near the world title in the Kane or Edge feuds.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Your right for the most part 'Sault. Now if you just realize that Vince ENJOYS seeing Angle made to look like an idiot, then you will realize your true enemy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Every report states that Vince LIKES Angle...