Stephen Joseph

Yeah, I'd totally chime in that at the beginning of the split we were totally hammmered by HD in so many ways. That's why I was out there posting for weeks about not having brands feuding because I couldn't figure out a way to pull iZ out of being "secondary" to hD as it was being made out to be. Thankfully, that did end, and Eskimo took over. Whatever I didn't know how to do, Eskimo did. He's a better iZ lead than I. What's the point of Popick being retired, SS asks? There is a point, but I don't want to spoil the next 6 or so months. You should be seeing the beginning of the "corporate" concept, with both myself and SP recently going "corporate" and Tony being "corporate." There's also this growing trend to talk about "Producers" My actual purpose in retiring is that I simply am burned out of writing matches. I wasn't putting effort into what I was doing, and it took Caboose's help to have a good match and feud. And even then we dropped the ball alot. I'm trying to stay interested and use the SJ character in a more promo role until I'm able to actively post again, ie, when I have a stable internet connection. That will start in Jan I think, thanks to work. My "retiring" was also supposed to be penance for Caboose and have him catapulted into a World Title feud, but since Caboose went inactive it lost its luster there. I didn't know that was going to happen going into it I hope that explains it somewhat. Zack, there were several times when iZ tried to put on a good show and we'd get harsh ratings in the beginning. The ratings system was so subjective that it was difficult for me to even fathom. Like SS's 6, that's a reflection of his SWF values system. Alot of the new iZ was written by entirely new posters, and their effort was incredible comparitively speaking. I'd rather have ratings go like "Was this show better than last week's? and compare the show against other iZ shows whilst hD compares to other hD shows. That's the only fair ratings system I can think of when you have two brands with differing strengths.

Ignorant, no my sweet dear. I believe my words were "if disagreeing with the cardinal is a sin, then im a sinner." Maybe I'm just more protestant that catholic and don't realize it. Ha. Must you always be right?

I demand a recount

Yup, that's correct. I thought it added fuel to the speculation that LNM could be a relative of the brachiasaur though

What I find funny is people wondering how he can cut taxes and cut spending and balance the budget. Shoot. It's like every analyst on popular news has never heard of a Laffer Curve nor asked where California is on it. Dummies.

Marney, Look. You claim I'm justifying their belief. No, no, no. I'm espousing a simple economic theory that shows how their belief is "rational" to themselves, since several people have wondered how someone could actually believe what they are saying. BIG DIFFERENCE. I am not saying that in the world scope of things this belief leads to a more beneficial outcome. We know it doesn't And if its a sin to decide that some people up at the top don't know diddly and are playing their power games, then I'm a sinner and proud of it. Besides, it's not like the Catholic church is going to remain unified to much longer. The split's coming. And for everyone who wishes to lump all Catholics together and tell them to go "fuck themselves," we thank you for your broad understanding that all human are essentially the same and that they're unable to have their own thoughts.

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Another Marney/Popick chat...My stuff has a dash in front of it Join the club. But don't presume to speak for it. -Hey, I didn't know you were catholic! You, me, Tyler, and Kane can have a great eucharist! Because you have a vested emotional and ideological interest. -No, because I'm against what they're doing but I don't think its representative of the whole church, and is therefore invalid. Their beliefs and their advocacy of their beliefs causes human suffering and death. At that point I stop caring about their intentions. What they are is evil. And you don't talk to evil and you don't reason with evil, you destroy it. -Is ignorance evil? Or is ignorance simply ignorance. They're not guilty of evil, they're guilty of ignorance. Those are vastly different moral outcomes. Fuck the church, fuck their false "reason," and fuck you. The Cardinal is a liar, plain and simple. He is lying to ignorant people and his lies are killing them. -Myself and Tyler would agree with you that the Cardinal is deluded, and we don't support his actions, so why should we be "fucked?" Benefits? WHAT BENEFITS? More people dying of AIDS? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you really think someone's going to go up to heaven after lying in a bed for a few months wasting away in his own filth and St Peter will glad-hand him through the pearly gates, saying, "At least you never put latex on your cock?" What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you really this deluded? - You read that line completely wrong. Useful policy is one in which benefits outweigh costs, ie, putting a condom on in Africa has benefits which outweigh the costs of not being able to preach what some say is the "true word" I'd say life outweighs death, and you'd agree. But what you didn't read is that there is a psychological conviction that these people who propound this theory have that outweighs the negative balance between costs and benefits. No rational human would advocate a policy of whichi he had a clear understanding that it costs more than it benefits. There is some other reason, and this is made up in convinction, loyalty, sentiment. Look, I was just describing how someone could advocate this rationally...NOT THAT I AGREE. It's a sad day when people like you, apologists for conscienceless liars, ignorant ideologues, and murderers by proxy are taken seriously by anyone. It's a sad day when human life is considered so worthless that upholding some idiotic rule in a moldy old "holy" book is raised above it. And it's a sad day when the leaders of a church, supposedly people who look out for their flock, LIE to them and their lies kill them. -If you call the bible a moldy old holy book, how can you call yourself a Catholic? Or did I read that wrong above. Look, I don't know why they proclaim this, but I mentioned a decent *and empirically valid, go and look up sentiment research in any economics journal* reason why. And I'm called an apologist? Apologists would decry the method of delivery but approve of the message. I decry both. Therefore, I am not what you call me Calling fundamentalists extreme wackos? Doesn't even compare. It's just the fucking truth. -Billy Graham is a fundamentalist. Jerry Falwell is a wacko. There are differences. That's dandy. I know exactly where they're going, and if there's a God they won't need mittens. -If you know exactly where there going, then that implies a belief in God. Why the confusion? To hell with you and to hell with the horse you rode in on. And to hell with the church. -Thanks for judging. And thanks for judging the church too. It's like you envision a church whose followers are nothing but mind-numbed sheep, bleeting for food and following like the proverbial lemming. -We're not. <---This concludes the Marney/Popick dialogue for this posting. It will resume at its earliest convience

Thanks Tyler, <--I cannot believe I just said that. I agree with Tyler. He agrees with me. Wow...What a weird day =)

thats probably an hD guy who wants to bring down our rating... This show was decidedly not a 6

hey shadow, pm me, i have a thought

Thank you to everyone who so enlightenly wrote "Fuck the Catholic Church." You show your ignorance by such remarks. Hi, I'm your TSM Catholic. I too think that the policies being propounded in Africa at the current moment are absurd, but you don't see me making blanket statements of unfounded hatred do you? As a Catholic, we are taught that "birth control" and the "wasting of seed" are immoral acts. Many in the church abide by these teachings, and they're not without their support in scripture. I am not one of those people. These people who advocate this have a faith. They have a belief, and at the very least, they're attempting to abide by that belief. It's not as if their intentions are cruel. I can understand the doubt we have on the wisdom of the church's policies, but at the very least, now you know the reason why the church doesn't advocate birth control unless its abstinence. It is this conviction that drives them to announce this policy, regardless of whether it is a "useful" policy whose benefits outweighs its costs. It is a sad day when "fundamentalists" are called wacko, extreme, and told to "fuck off" from modern society when all they do is peacefully adhere to the "fundamental" tenets of their faith. While I am not one of these, being more reformist, I understand where they're coming from I wish many of you here could get off your "personal high-horse" and see this.

Dan, I think I know who wins the I5...pm me to have me make sure, if its who i think it is, ill get a promo out for a BIGTIME MATCH the following week Cappa~! PM ME! Totally unrelated!

WHAT? +1

Popick wakes up, sees Alfdogg passed out on the ground... Stephen climbs up and nails a 5 Star Alf Splash on Alf! Griping his stomach, Stephen walks off, muttering something about getting JB from What?

Best iZ show since the split... Best iZ show since I can remember What's not to like. We have strong debuts by G Money and Shuffle, and I'm totally glad they're enthusiatic. Their matches were pretty good too. I'm digging the PRL and ShooterJay continuation, and the additions to LC were unexpected, as well as "The Professional". More fresh air for iZ. Not to be biased, but I am enjoying the mounting tension between the "Producer's Posse" and the "Corporation". I think this has long-term potential. The Intense 5 concept works great. I truly hope we put up a ranking on every show so people can see what they do does have an effect. Tony did an excellent job putting it together. I liked the new season premiere gimmick and the new iZ tag line. The logo rocks too. Can we keep it up for every show? Above all, the change to one announcer was interesting. Mad props for keeping JR in character by having him remember what Jesse would say. A very solid 9

I did job to you, in May of this year. So meh. Oh... Yeah... I guess you did deserve my vote after all Thanks!

Nov. 15th, after the votes are finalized

hey i voted for you you should job to me now

hey im talking to gmoney right now he just finished the match

Hey now! Eww... I can't make a witty remark to that El Brujo, I acknowledge your ownership of this thread

aww crap... This means Zack's getting another world title push in the oaoast now he's like our freaking jeff jarrett

pmed prl to tell him to write it

You're no fun Zack, no fun

I've officially sold out and become a government suit as of today Woohoo. I'm now employed! money!