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Huh? Why would you hate him for that? That's a bit odd. Anyhow Shawn Haters may check out my signature quote.

Yknow the whole Fake Undertaker thing in 94 didnt really help the confusion.

Have you ever noticed how the annoucers always play up how MSG "loves" Shawn and has the heel he faces always cut an anti-MSG/New York promo before the match? It happens EVERY time he has a match there, too. Anyway, I'll throw out Rocky Maivia. He received a ton of backlash from the fans for being "That 80's Babyface." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The MSG crowd popped pretty huge for HBK's win in the first Elimination Chamber at SurSer 02. Then again, when he did the spring up for his babyface comeback at WMXX, they booed the shit out of him, so make of that what you will. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably most of MSG was rooting for Benoit in the Wm match, especially since he had never won a world title before (outside of his WCW title quicky). It depends on who is in the crowd.

Thinking about it, don't worry Hassan will be long gone and forgotten by this time next year most likely. Unless They repackage him and put him in the FBI with Nunzio.

Since they Taped Sd the same night as Raw, Val happened to be in the building (not he wasnt traded, he even wrestled on RAW this week), so Iassume they asked him to do it cuz he was about the right size. who knows.?

I don't think anybody was defending it, they were just saying dont get upset by it so much. Yes its stupid and all and is unlikely to make people buy the PPV. When I thought they would try to downplay it on TV this week, Velocity is on here right now and they actually showed it in full again with Romero and Matthews commenting on "The Sympathizers" (no lie that's what they called them) and how they carried out Daivari "like a matyr (Just As Tazz said on SD).

The names of those 3 shows (according) ito my on screen tv guide)were 1. "Will The Real Martian Please Stand Up?" 2. "The Invaders" 3. "Time Enough At Last" Indeed thsoe three are classics.

Agreed. He did do a realistic "choking look" and had the crazy eyes down pat.

Hell I knew someone who tried to tell me that Sting and Warrior were brothers, and I believed him cuz I was young at the time.

Great Point, I also thoguht he might like Austin. Hell he'd probably do a run in and bite Taker and say "Now you're a real dead man bitch!"

I wasn't saying Clement didn't deserve it, he clearly does, but I was just saying what a coincidence that his manager gets to pick the replacement and picked him. Of course this happens all the time and Torre caught hell for bringing some of his players in the past so its all fair I suppose. Whatever the AS Game is a joke anyways, but I'll proabbly still watch it for some entertainment , too bad it has world series implications tied into it though. Back to Yankee Baseball now Damn almost had 7 straight... damn Indians, damn weak bullpen, damn injured starters DAMN DODGE

Not bad, but the bunker stuff will have half the net bitching and moaning as the attack last week did.

Too bad tivo doesnt relase ratings as well as vcrs cuz real wrestling fans managed to seee the show one way or the other. what I mean is if you are going to be out that night (I wasnt Iwatched fireworks from outside my house, then watched raw with friends), and yore a wrestling fan, you likely will tape it or tivo it to see later.

Rick Scaia has been reporting on pro wrestling since ~1994 and runs OnlineOnslaught.com (formerly The News from Dayton). Without his site (and his analysis of the Montreal screwjob back in 97), I wouldn't be a smark - or as big a wrestling fan as I am today. I don't always agree with what he says, but he's far from being a lapdog for Titan Towers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He also was on Wrestleline.com back when it was bigger. and part of sportsline. His ask the rick columns were where I first heard of him. Really though, I just posted it so we could hear something other then "oh god that is sick, blah blah blah" cuz it was getting old fast.

This is probably stupid but.. For some reason I think the character of Spike would be a wrestling fan, cuz he is all into violence and such plus he loves soap operas so this would be the perfect mix. So who would be Spikes favorite wrestlier? Perhaps Gangrel? Or Taker? whats your take on this.

It was a hole in the wall. The decor looked like something out of Kevin SPacey's apartment in Se7en. You think just because a shop keeper toots his own horn that the place is posh? What should he have said? "Eat-a here? Mah pizza pie taste-a like-a shit!" ? Stop being a prick because you feel like flaming this morning asshole. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If that's considered flaming, then maybe New York just isn't the place for you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL I understand your pain dude. Seriosuly taste is all subjective, if you grew up in NY you will think that the food there is best, just as if you grew up in Chicago, LA, Atlanta, New Orleans, Texas, or what have you. Which is why I always prefice my comments on food with "IMO"

Thats fine, I myself try to avoid spoilers but still come online and accept the risks, like this week when I inadvertanly found out about both the bwo and the hassan thing on these forums, but indeed it ws my own fault. The point of this thread however, was to discuss things that even the net were surprised at and thus hadn't been revealed or talked about beforehand. So can we go back to topic please?

Quote of the Week. Bottom line: the entire angle is stupid. Had they run a similar angle immediately following 9/11, yes, we as Americans would have bitched. Don't deny it. And thus, I mostly agree with the UKomplainers. But not because I'm thin-skinned, as the above article implies. I find the angle offensive simply because I miss the days when angles made sense. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No I agree with you we would have complained. I also didnt like the angle on sd,because it was dumb, not cuz it was offensive. Now if Hassan himself had done the beatdown it would be ok, but since its Taker he requires 50 people to put him down (like at the 94 rumble), so the geniuses at WWE creative decided that thsi would be a good idea and maybe get some kind of publicity, unfortunately, a real terrorist attack occured the same week,

Just Thought Id present a different side of the arguement.

You really need to get the sand out of your vaginas here. Ok let Rick Scaia tell you the business, From His 7-8-05 OO column on OnlineOnslaught.com "OK, we have to talk about this, right? Muhammad Hassan's "Terror Cell" attacking the Undertaker. On the night after terrorists killed 50-something people in London. Let me just go ahead and get this out of the way upfront: If this bothered you (I mean REALLY bothered you, not just annoyed you, but OFFENDED you enough to write or e-mail about it), and you're not living in the UK and weren't directly affected by Thursday morning's events, then you may kindly kiss my ass. Seriously. Don't get me wrong: there was a lot wrong with that bit. But none (zero, zilch, nada) has anything to do with subway bombings in London. Fact: WWE taped this on Tuesday. This was not an attempt to capitalize on current events, or even a willful ignorance of current events in order to press ahead with a tasteless angle. They just didn't know. They couldn't know. And thus, they can not be label evil in this. Fact: Hassan's "terror cell" didn't bomb the Undertaker or use any form of imagery that had anything resembling any ties to what happened in London. Hassan's goons didn't fly model airplanes into the ring to crash into Taker, nor did they come up from the hidden subway under the ring with suicide packs strapped to their chests. They beat the crap out of him with pipes and a garrote. You people gonna bitch if men in striped suits come out and save Nunzio from an attack next week? Assuming Nunzio ever gets on TV again, that is? Of course you won't. Re-fucking-lax. And the BIGGEST FACT OF ALL: it's time to fucking quit worrying about what other people think about you, and actually THINK about something before you SAY something about it. Because sure: the easy thing to do is to respond with "Yeah, sure, I guess that could have been handled better by WWE" if some overly-sensitive, self-righteous, wants-to- prove-he's-more-socially-aware-and-sensitive-than-you douchebag blurts out "Hey, did you see SD!? That was pretty disgusting what they did.". You respond that way because you don't want to be thought of as a bastard or a bitch. But admit it: if you stop, think about this, and aren't a completely spineless wussbag, then you don't mean it. Because no rational human being looks at a tragedy like what happened in London and thinks "It is incumbent upon a pro wrestling company to respond to this horrible incident in a responsible, conciliatory, and apologetic fashion." If you think this, kindly pop off out back and shoot yourself in the skull. You know who should feel sorry for what happened in London? You know who should apologize? You know who should be vilified for bad behavior? THE FUCKING TERRORISTS. They? Did something wrong, very wrong. WWE? Did nothing wrong, not a damned thing. I mention this because I know there is some small subset of people out there who really lack and perspective and they honestly WILL get their panties bunched over WWE running a "terror cell" angle after what happened in London, and they WILL BELIEVE THEIR OWN BULLSHIT. I can't help that. But those people who are genuinely offended are more than likely also the types who will be in a rush to confront you with smalltalk, or post on message boards, or even (hey, Keller, guess what? I killed a few braincells visiting your sit today!) pontificating about it for an audience. Because it's just as important that YOU KNOW they are offended, and that YOU KNOW they are good and decent and moral people as it is that they might actually feel an iota of sympathy for the real victims here. Trust me: more people expressing outrage towards WWE today are doing it to impress you with their decency than are doing it because they read a single news article or self-investigated a single element of the deal in London. They don't give a shit about what happened. They give a shit about Looking Good To The Public. Well, fie on that. Bland, vapid rhetoric about WWE's thoughtlessness doesn't make you look good. It makes you look like somebody who can't be bothered to nut up and put the blame for yesterday where it belongs. But it only makes you look like that to me, I fear. Because what really annoys me is that these self-righteous morons spout off their stuff, and then people who honestly might not be bothered by WWE's actions are forced into the politically correct response of "Oh, yeah, I guess that wasn't too smart." Because nobody wants to look like an asshole. Well, folks: here I am... I'm an asshole. I'll be your uber-asshole. You don't have to feel guilty or lonely if you follow me. But guess what? That's what make me different from the self-righteous douches: because I'm not insisting that you follow me with big, grandiose talk about how right I am. All I'm doing is asking you to read up on what happened in London, learn about the real victims, learn about the real criminals. And then consider what WWE ACTUALLY did last night. Think about it, ponder it. And in your own head, decide what you think about the situation. But just don't follow blindly the "WWE are heartless pricks" PC Group Think out of fear that you'll be labeled a Bad Person, OK? Please don't do that. And hey, if you decide you still don't think WWE behaved the best way possible, I guess that's your business. But it's YOUR business, and I don't think many of you who actually take the time to think this through will feel so strongly about it that you need to go flying off the handle. The most I can really envision a healthy and sane person mustering is "There were probably better ways to handle this." But then you realize, given the scope of the REAL tragedy, that WWE's actions are far from criminal, and you just keep your disappointment (but no anger or outrage or any stronger emotions) to yourself. Because it might not have been a GOOD situation for WWE to be in, but it's also not one where anything they could have done would have made things substantially better for anybody. Are we clear on this? Good. Because until you can show me that WWE drastically altering last night's already-taped show would save one life or make the world any happier of a place, then mild disappointment is about all one should feel about this. Unless one is a moron. For the record: WWE edited out the entire angle for today's UK broadcast. Which I will agree with. Because there's a difference between doing your own thing and knowing that you had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks and rubbing the REAL victims' nose in it. Just another thing that makes me laugh about many of the Americans (in e-mails and in forums/columns) who bitched and moaned about this: not only is it akin to all the hyper-sensitive straight people who seem to swarm on me the second I say something remotely humorous about homosexuals, but it's worse because it's an EVEN LESS-INFORMED version of that, since they all say that WWE is being "insensitive" to the victims, without stopping to understand that WWE's broadcast where the victims actually lived and worked IS being altered. Again, I *hate* these types who act like they are always one of the Corsican Brothers in some ill-conceived of cross-Atlantic (or cross-sexual-orientation, or whatever) Orgy of Misery. Just start taking an interest in your own life and living it well, morons, and don't worry so much about empathically living somebody else's to try to make yourself feel like you're a better person, dammit. Whew. End Rant. I think. All that said? Hey, I didn't like the angle, either. But for reasons that are actually Not Retarded. The whole beauty of the Hassan/Daivari gimmick was that they were Arab Americans, and that they hadn't done anything wrong against our Nation. They weren't heels because they committed criminal acts, they were heels because they were whiny little punks who thought they were owed something by the system. Going back to one of my very original analyses of why Hassan and Daivari were catching on, and why: at their best, Hassan and Daivari weren't booed for being Ay-rabs, they were booed for being Ay-holes. This frequently involved them saying and doing things that inspired "USA, USA" chants, but at the end of the day, their evil stemmed not from being terrorists, but from being obnoxious. And some of you might not want to hear this, but at least PART of that obnoxiousness came from the fact that you kinda knew Hassan was right about some things. Even without making this political, he could still say he's undefeated and hasn't been rewarded commensurate with his accomplishments. And you kinda had to know he was right. Which made him annoying to many fans. It's a good thing. But that Good Thing is what makes last night's angle such a Bad Thing. It's got not a damned thing to do with political correctness or sensitivity. Because unless you were one of the clueless tards who wrote in and tried to get "24" off the air last year for their portrayal of Arab Americans, trust me, you're not nearly sensitive enough to get your dander up over this. It's got to do with the simple fact that this is a complete departure from what made Hassan and Daivari's characters work for the past 8 months. And that strikes me as monumentally stupid. And unlike the rest of you cliche-spouting jack-offs, my stance is just as rock-solid no matter what happens or doesn't happen in London yesterday morning. With this latest twist, Hassan and Daivari now *ARE* terrorists, or at least in league with people who look and behave like them. Why? This wasn't necessary; the characters were so much more genuine, so much more versatile, so much deeper when they had more realistic and genuine motivations. Now, after 8 months of relative success, Hassan and Daivari are the one-dimensional caricature that RAW managed to avoid turning them into for so long. Even if the "terror cell" was a one week thing, it now lingers in the back of the creative team's mind whenever they need an "out" for Hassan but are too lazy and uncreative to come up with a good one. And the image of Hassan leading the "cell" won't be washed away from fans' minds so easily either. I might disagree with the fucking morons who are so worked up over this, but I won't deny that there's a lot of them, and the damage WWE did to Hassan's character in those fans' eyes will be harder to repair than they think. Because these are the type of people who won't forget easily. The last thing that really added to the "character assassination" element was the closing bit where the "terror cell" carried Daivari's carcass away from the ring in martyr-like fashion. It's the presentation of Daivari (not of the "terror cell") that came closest to calling up the image of a "suicide bomber" or a true "terrorist," if you ask me. But even though I felt that underscored the "new side" of Hassan and Daivari, and that was bad, I also think it was presented tastefully enough, since it's not like Tazz was making jokes about the 72 virgins awaiting Daivari backstage. Instead, *I* will make those jokes. Because they are funny. And not particularly in bad taste, either. No matter what you thin-skinned douchebags might want to believe."

Yea it sucks, Baseball is a traditional sport and is good for the olympics and goold for MLb as they have a chance to scout talent from smaller countries.

Getting pops on Heat or Velocity when you're one of the first name guys out doesn't mean jack. Hell, I heard Vis and Mideon get a massive pop when they were the Ministry of Comic Book Sales and they were *HEELS* during a Heat taping. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was just using a real life example, as this was the only time I saw Gunn and Holly wrestle live.

Well yea it was bad joke thats why I had to use it for fun, but bad show? its my fav besides Conan, so I disagree. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Conan is much better, and I really don't like Jimmy Kimmel so that's my feelings about it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well I agree on Conan being a better host, but its cool that you dont like Kimmel, hes either hit or miss with alot of people.

Yea this May guy is a great pitcher YIKES. Cashman get on the phone and make a freakin deal (but who? i dont know).