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Also, the difference between a squat and box-squat? Do they really do the same thing, or is the box-squat designed for a totally different gain?

I retract my earlier statement, the Thunder may only win 5 games.

Perhaps the Thunder will only win 10 games this year.....

Yeah but the fact that they're ahead in both the coaches and harris poll by a decent margin means that the voters would have to pull some form of highway robbery if OU wins and somehow Texas goes back ahead of them in the polls. But, I don't think there's enough voters to put them ahead far enough to nullify the hop in the computers OU will get with a win on the road at No. 12 OSU. I'm not mad at you or anything Broward and I'm not trying to argue with you. Just the Texas fans with those signs and the fact that Herbstreit and the rest of ESPN are campaigning for Texas is really getting under my skin.

Yeah, but I'm basically trying to say the 45-35 stuff has no grounding here. Texas fans are basically arguing and promoting a completely invalid reason to get into the game, and that's why I keep saying this stuff. They have no basis in their argument because it's a 3-way tie. That's what I've been trying to say. The politicking is wrong. Now if you want to point out that Texas is playing better than OU and Tech and has the better road, that's fine. That works. But bringing up the OU/Texas game really has no bearing right here. I don't even think OU needs to win impressively tomorrow. A 3-point win over a top 12 team on the road should be more impressive than blowing out a 4-7 team at home. Hell OU's win over A&M was probably more impressive because it was on the road. I don't see how Texas can possibly gain in the voters minds this week, unless the voters are just stupid. Then again the voters obviously aren't seeing it like the talking heads on ESPN. Saunders, Flutie and especially Herbstreit are just politicking for Texas like they bleed burnt orange. It's obvious they want Texas in that game and not OU. They completely discount the 3-way tie and just keep going on and on about the OU/Texas game. Luckily the voters don't agree with these morons and obviously think OU is the better team right now. And if OU wins tomorrow, it'll probably stay that way. Like Iggy said, it'd take a massive swing by the voters to put Texas ahead of OU. And then that'd just probably completely invalidate the polls because it'd show the pollsters can be completely bought by a team that politicks hard. Because an OU win would do nothing to drop them behind Texas in the polls. The only thing that could move Texas ahead in the polls is if the politicking gets to the voters. Luckily OU has the advantage of going in to this week not only being ahead in the polls but playing a top 12 team on the road. Any win should impress voters. Especially in the Big XII where the home team has held serve all season. I think it's pretty safe that even a 3-point OU win (as long as it's not cheap and swings all the voters in the other direction) is enough to put them in the Big XII title game. But, I'm sure Herbstreit will put on a Texas hat and campaign otherwise until he's blue in the face. Plus it's completely astounding that Herby and the gang want to discount the Florida loss to Ole Miss because they're playing well right now but punish OU for their loss despite the fact OU is probably playing better than Florida!

My post above pretty much goes over this. That website is just stupid. Not only is it biased but it once again completely throws out the 3-way tie. Texas fans must have blinders on and want to pretend this is a 2-way tie they're getting screwed on.

Yeah but you pretty much said it yourself. You try to say Tech isn't relevant in a 3-way tie discussion so let's throw their games out and just point at the OU/Texas game. BUT, if OU loses then Tech wins the South. So they are still VERY relevant to this discussion and thus the results of the Tech/Texas game and OU/Tech game are just as relevant as OU/Texas. Texas fans can try to pretend 45-35 is the only score that matters, but in a 3-way tie for the Big XII South all 3 games matter. That's pretty much a fact in the whole discussion for the Big XII South. No one score is more relevant than the other at this point because everyone beat everyone. Texas fans can hold up all the 45-35 signs they want, doesn't mean that it's a 2-way tie between OU and Texas unless Tech loses to Baylor. Then fine, you win the Big XII south and your score is the most important. But at this point, it's a 3-way tie not a 2-way no matter how badly Tech got hammered and how badly people want to toss them out of the discussion. Why are we comparing OU-A&M and Texas-A&M again? OU won by 38 on the road. Texas won by 40 at home. Really seem to be about the same thing to me.

They should probably have two.......but Texas A&M kind of ruined that. Fuckin dive in front of the pylon, among other things. Probably the only time I've ever rooted for Ohio State in my life, such was the burning hate I had for the Aggies that year... though the thing that hurt worse than losing that Big 12 title game was getting the shaft from both the BCS bowls and the NYD bowls and dropping to the Alamo bowl against a .500 Purdue team, and then pulling the "we got screwed so we're not gonna show up" card but I digress While they did make the title game in 2000 and took it to the eventual champs, their other best shot would have been in 1999, but they just couldn't fucking beat Nebraska (again) Man mentioning that game really gets the old Wildcat blood pumping doesn't it? I almost got killed a few times mentioning it when I was in Dodge.

A&M did score more points against OU than they did against Texas. What's your point there exactly? Because Tech scored less points on OU than they did on Texas and OU beat them by worse. So I'm not really sure what comparing the score of the Texas A&M games has to do with who deserves to be ranked higher in the BCS. And speaking of Tech that's another thing the Texas fans don't seem to realize. This is a 3-way tie for the Big XII South. It's not between OU and Texas. All the 45-35 signs don't mean jack shit when it comes to who wins the Big XII South because it's not just between you and OU. If we're going to do that then let's hold up some 39-33 and 65-21 signs. Because they are every bit as relevant as the 45-35 score in a 3-way tie. Every single bit.

I'm not. I'd have a big fucking neon sign with lighted arrows pointing at the score if I was in that situation. The thing is though, I'm wondering if the Texas fans with those signs are: A) Trying to convince voters to change their votes and are desperate because they realize that Texas is cooked or B) Really think that Texas will get the nod over OU and are just trying to prove a point. I really don't think there's anyone at this point that thinks Texas is going to win the Big XII south if OU wins on Saturday, except maybe some of those people in the stands. Look, I agree the head to head win is a big factor. But there's a lot of other factors that go into it. That was in the middle of October and OU lost their best defensive player. Plus it's not like Texas blew OU out. The game was a back and forth game and if just a few balls bounce the other way then OU walks away with the win and is still No. 1 right now. That's what's bugging me. The Texas fans are acting like they stomped OU right off the field. That's not what happened at all. Plus I think if OU and Texas played 10 times it'd be 50/50. OU's hot right now and are playing probably the best football in the country aside from Florida. That's why they're getting the nod. If OSU beats them on Saturday, then argument over they screwed up and they can go to the Cotton Bowl and let Tech win the Big XII. Man I didn't even think about that, Texas is in a really really shitty position right now. If OU wins, they're out of the Big XII title game. If OU loses, they're still out!

Now the Eagles decide to pick it up when the playoffs are probably out of reach but a high draft pick isn't. *slaps forehead* Why couldn't they do this earlier in the season?

They should probably have two.......but Texas A&M kind of ruined that. The Texas fans with the 45-35 signs are cracking me up. It just seems kind of desperate. It's pretty obvious the voters really don't care about the result of that game at this point, they're going with who they think is the hot team and who they think is the better team now (not in October). I really want to see how all these people react if OU beats OSU and goes to the Big XII title game. They can hold up all the 45-35 signs they want, that's not going to get them to the Big XII title game or sway any voters. They need to all become OSU fans, or else they can enjoy the Fiesta Bowl against USC. Besides, wouldn't it take like a giant swing by voters to put Texas ahead in the BCS rankings? I mean the only thing holding OU back right now is the computer rankings. A win over #12 will easily fix that in a big way meaning that OU would have to lose a lot of votes to not go forward.

I think reading the way the two coaches react tells the story. Bob Stoops said what he had to say after the game Saturday then didn't politic. Mainly because after the BCS rankings came out he knew if he won his team would be in the Big XII title game. Meanwhile Mack Brown saw what happened and has been politicking all week, because he knows the scores of the A&M and OSU games don't matter if both Texas and OU win, his team isn't going to the Big XII title game. I'm glad that my team is the one turning out on top for this, but they still need to take care of business on Saturday. A third straight Big XII title and 6th overall would rock though. The next closest team is Texas with 2. I'd like to continue the domination of the Big XII. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Your right, it doesn't matter when the Texas vs. Texas A&M game is played, if OU wins the computer ranking alone will be enough to put them over without a HUGE swing by voters which is unlikely.

Joe Buck and Tony Romo are the new Brett Favre and John Madden.

Yeah Ian Johnson wasn't a pushover, but I mean c'mon.....he's not Adrian Peterson. Anyway Texas gets their last chance to impress voters tonight. I'm wondering if playing on Thanksgiving is a hindrance though because whatever they do won't be as fresh in the minds of the voters as OU beating OSU if it happens. (and that's still a big if)

I don't know about the speed thing, but they did want it more. The Boise coach admitted once OU started going hard he didn't think they had much chance and that's why he went for the win in OT because he felt Adrian Peterson was going to just run over his team. I remember him saying he didn't think he could stop Adrian Peterson anymore, so they had to go for the win or else they would lose if the game continued. OU across the board had better athletes, but I think BSU was better coached and wanted it more. Plus their athletes made plays whereas OU's didn't. Plus BSU had a QB that kept his head and played well (aside from the INT) as opposed to OU's QB (Paul Thompson) who played like a retard.

Yeah, the majority of us asked for the Hornets.

Not really, they're still packing the house. People were really excited after the Suns game, I dunno how everyone feels after the Cavs game. It did get annoying how the local radio didn't ever refer to the Cavs though. They always said "The Thunder are playing Lebron tonight." or "The Thunder head to Cleveland to face Lebron."

I know I'm a day late on this, but damn what a way for Steve Nash to prove why he's one of the best players in the league against the Thunder. They were up by double digits and Nash just kept hitting shot after shot or making the smart dish until the Suns won by 1 point. I know the Thunder suck, but you gotta admire a guy that can will his team to victory like that.

So apparently the Texas students are going to pay for a plane to fly over Bedlam saying "45-35". We'll see if that comes to fruition. I still think OU is going to the Big XII title game if they win. Brad Edwards is acting like they're pretty much tied and all OU has to do is win, not even impressively to jump past Texas due to them beating a top 12 team.

Man, if they ran that gauntlet there wouldn't even be a need for a national title game. Just give it to them! But, I think the more these non-BCS teams win and make it to BCS games and perform well the more credibility they'll get. I mean Utah and Boise are both proving they can consistently be good. If one or both get into a BCS game and win then it'll go further to proving they're credible threats. If Ball State has a few more seasons of doing this or close to this then they'll add that credibility, and TCU doesn't hurt matters either. I think people that want to eventually see a non-BCS school taken ultra seriously and want to see them compete for a title someday need to root for Boise and Utah to continue to do what they do and win BCS games. If it comes down to it someday where we end up with a situation like last season (a 1-loss team then a ton of 2-loss teams sitting around) and you have an undefeated Boise or Utah who has a couple of BCS wins and undefeated seasons under their belt, you could see them get the nod over the 2-loss teams finally.

Man the Florida people are really angry about this Florida being behind OU and Texas thing as if it really matters at all. It doesn't matter at all where Florida is ranked at this point, beat 'Bama and you're in. That simple. Who cares if OU and Texas are ahead right now? Sheesh people.

In all actuality if it's between OU and Texas and one goes to the title game over the other then the one that didn't go will probably end up getting the BCS nod if the other loses to Mizzou. That's what I've heard anyway and the rankings right now lead you to believe that.

All hell breaks loose?

MAC Title game is next week. FUN FACT - If everyone in the top 3 of the Big 12 South loses this week, Tech goes! If everyone in the top 3 of the Big XII South loses (that being Tech, OU and Texas) then it's still a 3-way tie with them all having 2 losses. If OU loses then Tech goes because they have the tiebreaker over Texas.