Damaramu

Yet his numbers are amazing and his list of awards is HUGE. What a bum!

My heart has never been hard. It's always soft and generous.

Well he IS my favorite football player from college....and I do want to see him get a chance. and it looks like he is. I have no clue what the hell is going on with this. It hasn't been mentioned on anything except the radio.

Well the discussion is a moot point now b/c I just heard on the radio that White signed a free agent contract with the Chiefs. If he makes it yay. If he doesn't then he can move on with his life. All I wanted was for him to have the chance.

Oh here's something else I do. When I have a bowl of cereal with marshmallows I eat all of the crunchy parts and leave all of the marshmallows. Then I eat the mallows. All that sugar and milk at once usually makes me sick but I can't quit doing it. A quirk a friend of mine had is that he'd order a bean burrito from Taco Mayo and an order of Potato Locos. Then he'd unroll the burrito and feel it with the locos before rolling it back up and eating it. I also can't stand onions unless they are in onion ring form. Same as potatos and ketchup. Only in fry and tot form and only in ketchup or salsa form. I had this professor one time that was really really pompous. He was my Writing for Mass Media teacher. And he's been in the journalism business for 35 years. He talked about when he was an editor and he had an interview with a reporter he liked and he was like "I liked him except that at the meal he ate his french fries with his hands! How unprofessional! But I gave him a shot despite that fact!" And then he would go on about how this kid ate his french fries with his hands and finally somebody raised their hand and said "How else do you eat french fries!?" and he was like "With a fork! DUH!" What the fuck? Anyone here ever eaten french fries with a fork?

Because I like the way the cheese and meat tastes when seperated like that.

You're gonna have to explain that one further... Ok I'll eat like let's say 4 pieces of pizza. I'll take one and I'll just pull it apart and take all the meat off and put it in a pile. Then all the cheese and put it in a pile. Then I eat the crust then the meat and then the cheese. I don't know why. I just like the way the cheese tastes. It's pretty good....don't ask why I do it though.

Yeah but doesn't Brett Farve do a lot of things technically wrong? I mean from what I've heard the only person that can do what Brett Farve does is.......Farve. I mean is Rodgers really learning much about being a great NFL QB when Farve supposedly has this unorthodox style that's technically wrong. I get this technical stuff from this show they had where all of his former coaches were talking about that.

I would've felt bad about watching Vince Young do whatever he wants more than losing on a field goal.

Berlin? He was the QB at Miami. So he's not far from home but seriously he was no good at Miami. Except maybe that game against Louisville. Who knows though.......has anyone just been absolutely AWFUL in college and just sucked hard and then become an NFL star? I'm not talking about mediocre I'm talking about a huge nobody that sucked.

I like semi-called it....ok I didn't call it at all. I was at work and the Lakers and Pistons were set to play. And I said "Well maybe the Pistons can pull the upset!' and this guy i work with goes "Yeah right!" and I go "Yeah you're probably right......." but I had a glimmer of hope b/c of how much i hated LA.

Well I knew about what happened. But I don't know what the tuck rule is either completely. I was hoping someone could shed some light on what the fuck it actually means.

It was a legit call! Someone explain the whole tuck situation again. Because all I hear is people talk about it but never actually delve into it.

So are they throwing JP Losman out their in Buffalo? I mean how much experience has he had? He didn't get to practice at all last season did he?

Well then somebody fucking talk about it! Quit responding to me if you really don't want to talk about it! Jesus christ! How about the 3 top 5 RB's? Who will have the best career? Who will have the worst? I think Ronnie Brown was better than the rest of them and can make an immediate impact. What about Smith? Think he will be able to help SF at all this season? The Ravens seem to have addressed their needs. How about them? Will the Browns not suck again after this draft? How will Jason Campbell do? I think he was a great pick.

Hey I've tried repeatedly to bring up Mark Clayton. But there's no controversy there. Everyone knows he rules and will be good. With White there is controversy and a better discussion. I mean with Clayton I just say "He's awesome and will be a solid NFL player" and everyone says "I know."

Well I mean I'd rather him go to the Arena League than coach b/c I want to see him succeed playing football. And I want to see him do what he loves. But if he can't I'm all for him becoming a coach. He says he wants to come back to OU as a strength and conditioning coach. I don't know about that but I think he could work on the offensive side of the ball like Josh Heupel did. Maybe there is something to the talent on OU's offense. Stoops has had 3 starting QB's. One of them(heupel) hurt his hand and never played again. Another one(Hybl) was bounced around on NFL practice squads before finally being shipped to NFL Europe and the last one(Jason White) looks like he's going the coaching route. Maybe Stoops really does know how to find system QB's that do what he wants. I guess that speaks more for Stoops and the talent he has on the team. But I mean I'd like to see him go but it looks like he isn't so I mean he should probably call it a career and jump into coaching. Even if White didn't make it 11 other Sooners(plus a 12th Will Peoples is supposed to sign with the Bills) are all going to the NFL. And Clayton everyone thinks will be a superstar.

You make very valid points Chris. But he's still not this bum that everyone is making him out to be. The guy is a talented QB and I don't think just anyone could've competed at OU like he did. Yes he was surrounded by good talent but so was the rest of the team. Is Clayton only good b/c of who was throwing him the ball? Because it seems like you guys are saying White is only good b/c of who he was throwing the ball too.

USC 55 OU 19.........duh.........

Yes but he performed under huge pressure against OSU and A&M in front of hostile crowds last year. He did the same against KSU this past year as well. Against USC though his numbers were worlds better than the Sugar Bowl. You can't deny that. And you can't deny that OU's offense lost that game it was the defense. Sure he had that one pick where he threw it into a Trojan defensive hddle and that will probably stick out in a lot of people's minds. Heupel isn't lighting anything up b/c his first year in the league he had a career ending hand injury.

I'm pretty sure Symons was drafted in the later rounds last year. Symons would not have done what White did. Nobody would've at OU that year. White was special. That simple. He didn't win a Heisman for no reason. You're saying Symons would've been a Heisman winner? White threw 5 picks that whole season. Symons threw 5 against OU. Not to mention that White led that team better than anyone else. His leadership ability is another thing that makes him special. His positives outweigh his negatives. Positives: Good attitude, ability to reinvent self and improve, leadership ability, pinpoint accuracy, cool head in most situations(yeah in the Orange Bowl he didn't do as well but remember the OSU and Texas A&M games against hostile crowds where he refused to break?) Negatives: not an ultra-strong arm, not as mobile as he should be, injury prone(didn't suffer any injuries this past season), and age(makes jacking off motion)

They didn't live and die by him but I mean the team would've been nowhere near as good without him. The best player drafted from OU was obviously Mark Clayton. But I mean I don't think just anybody would've thrown 40 TD's and only 5 picks the year they went to the Sugar Bowl. And how could you not like the dude's attitude? I mean he had the knee injuries and he fought back. He had the horrible Sugar Bowl and everyone called him a bum and told him to quit and he came back and still finished in the Top 3 in Heisman voting and took his team to the national title game. And yeah his team got whipped hard but he still had a better game than he had the year before. And then there's his accuracy which is deadly.

Even if they didn't belong in the National Title there is no debating that they were a great team and a Top 5 team those years(i mean they finished #3 both seasons)and he was leading that team.

Where did Warner play college ball at again? Me just thought of a spin off thread.

I called that Ben was better than Manning and Rivers. Then again I think a lot of people did that. I also called that OU would have the most players drafted....I think that was a given again though.