Damaramu

Talented new wrestler? check... Squashed at the hands of an established star? check... Yep nothings changed.

Actually if anybody should be thanked for the nWo it's New Japan Pro Wrestling...

Ummmm....not me but my brother.....the street next to ours dips WAY low...so when it rains and the drains are clogged it can feel up with about 5 feet of water in that dip. Plus the dip is about 15 feet across. So...here goes my dumbass brother in his HONDA ACCORD thinking "I'm going to drive through this LAKE in the road." So the dumbass gets in...starts floating and has to get out and SWIM to the other side while waiting for his car to float over there. Needless to say the car wouldn't start.

To go against everything a smark is supposed to believe in....I'd pay money to see Sting/Rock....

*seems to be holding breath....* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! That was great.... Anyways what's worse than turd burglar is the one that opens the stall while you're in there and says "Oh sorry...." and just stands there. I had a friend one time taking a piss in the handicap stall at school and he hears the door open and then close and thinks "Oh someone must've seen it was occupied and left..." then he hears the door locking and he turns his head to see another guy turning around from the door...and the guys response..."Sorry...didn't know there was any body in here."

Or Jim Ross trying to say that he didn't know if it was intentional or not. Well gee......trapping a guy in a car and then putting a 2x4 on the gas sure does seem like it's intentional. Maybe Shane meant to put it on the brake.... Oh and....Shane goes over Kane....AGAIN!

*walks in with no pants on* What's going on?

Once again....where did he go? He's still on RAW.

That's because they crucified someone! Most people with some religous sensibility would be offended to!

I own 2/3 of them. Yeah I love pop music. Sue me. My lawyer will be contacting you tomorrow. I hope you have a good defense pal....

*snort*

He doesn't actually jump high nor does he do it with much spring in his step. Ok here's an example of objectivity. I can't remember who said it...I think it was Rudo that the NWO2002 Austin/UT match was actually a really good match given the story and psychology used...but it was boring as shit.

I personally feel that half of these men are either: a) just saying that because of all the fans that are entertained by him b) are just spouting it off because they're buddy buddy with him and we know that Bret Hart falls into category A. Could Shawn Michaels put on an entertaining match? Yes. But in what universe does taking EVERYTHING your opponent can hit you with and then leaping up and beating them with ONE KICK make a good match? Oh that's right it doesn't....

NO, IT IS NOT. It's not an opinion that Austin is one of the best the WWF ever saw. Objective analysis of his work is PROOF of it. most movie buffs consider Orson Welles Citizen Kane to be the greatest film ever made I however dissagree... while it is a fine film, I do not consider it to be the greatest talking american motion picture of all time So I guess that means I know NOTHING about movies eh? Just because I dont agree with the general consensus? Well if there was a certain standard that movies are held to, like a wrestling match(there may be but i'm not a movie buff) and you disagreed in the face of it fitting all the criteria to be a good movie then yes you wouldn't know a thing. Listen there are certain things that make a match good. There are certain things that make someone a good worker. Austin's matches had these....Austin does these things. I personally feel the Austin bashing is just because most people don't like him currently(and I agree I hate his ass right now) but just because you have a sour opinion on him doesn't mean you can deny that he's a good worker. He does everything that a good worker does. He tells a great story with his matches. He makes every movement mean something. He gets the crowd involved. He plays his role perfectly. How you can deny that Austin is a great worker is beyond me. Hell if the general consensus was "Austin sucks...he's a puncher kicker"(which it seems to be) I'd still be telling them off because they're basically ignoring the evidence. Hell if this was all based on your opinion or what entertains you then someone could be on here "Well I like matches where they do nothing. Where they just stand there. I find it entertaining and that's my opinion. ***** classics all the way." and we couldn't argue with them. But we can argue with them because there are actually standards and two guys standing there does not equal a good match according to those.

Ummm....yes....don't make me give the HBK debate again. The one where me and RavishingRickRudo provide the same reasons for 30 pages while the HBK Marks say "But he carried Sid to a good match!"

I thought they canned the Stevie Night Heat stuff? It's still going on....Meltzer mentioned on his show he didn't know what was going on....so maybe it can all be chocked up to crazy rumor?

Whether someone is a great worker or not is not an opinion. Whether they entertain you or not is you opinion. Just because she doesn't find Austin entertaining doesn't mean he's not a good worker. This is the same debate as the HBK one. HBK's a great entertainer. That's an opinion. But HBK's a bad worker and that's not an opinion. You just have to look at things objecitvely to know that.

Well......they even held onto that rule way into 1996 in the WWF. Bulldog threw HBK over the top rope in a title match and Vince starts yelling "That was intentional ref! DQ him!"

Shannon Moore wrestled in WCW too. I happen to like Shannon Moore - but you can't tell me that Raven, booked correctly and allowed to shine on the mic, wouldn't be a bigger draw than him. Although I guess Raven's age, past failed run with the company and opinionated attitude probably didn't help. What about Funaki? I like him too, but come on... I was saying the reason Raven didn't get a push is because he didn't come to the WWE until he had nowhere else to go. He was made somewhere else and it's been proven that it drives Vince nuts!

Yes it does. Because Austin is a great wrestler. Watch the matches. That's the best proof there is. Ok what's was the No Mercy tag match? It was WWE style to the core. You cannot have a logical good match using WWE style. It is punch, punch, spot, punch, spot. Was WWE style created for Austin when he was injured? Yes. Did he use it once he was better? No. His matches evolved from punch, spot, punch, spot in 2001. He started making every movement mean something. Go ahead watch the match with Angle at Summerslam. No movement is wasted. Everything makes sense. Now watch the No Mercy tag match. It is all spot. All flash no go. Doing a bunch of flashy moves doesn't make you a great wrestler. If that was true Albert would be god. You could literally know 10 moves and still be the best wrestler in the world. As long as those moves mean something and as long as those moves make sense. Austin gets in there and he uses what he knows logically and afterwards I sit back and think "Wow that was a good match." not "Wow that was entertaining...great spots." You want more proof? Watch his FIRST match with Benoit. In December of 2000. That match is without a doubt one of Austin's best matches. Much better than the Edmonton match. Watch it. Watch the Summerslam match. Watch Survivor Series and WM with Bret Hart. Hell watch King of the Ring with Marc Mero! If you pay attention you will see it! The man does not waste motions and the man does not do useless spots just to pop the crowd.

Actually 2001 had some of his best matches ever. And he was setting the WWF on fire in 1997. I'm still amazed you think that No Mercy tag match was better than Austin's best match. Hell Summerslam with Angle was better than the No Mercy tag match! What will we have to do to beat it through your thick skull that Austin is a good wrestler!? Well you obviously don't know enough about wrestling so I guess this is an impossible argument...

You've got to be kidding...right? Austin's match with Benoit in Edmonton was light years ahead of that. Oh I know a match Austin was in that was better than anything Edge could dream of. WrestleWar 92 War Games. You know widely considered the best american match of the 90's. The best cage match ever. You're saying that that tag match is better? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man you're denser than I thought.

No no...that other match with HBK flying off the top rope onto Ric Flair while he was on top of a table was better....

Are you just trying to look wrong through this whole thread? We're not talking about the story surrounding the match. We're talking about the story that was told THROUGH THE MATCH. You know wrestlers create a story with there movements in a match....and Austin was the best. That's what he means by good storyteller. Not the way he portrayed the storyline. Yes he was. Oh and watch some old WCW Stunning Steve stuff. It easily blows away anything the WWE is putting on today. Ever seen the Hollywood Blondes?

Just proving my point that you don't know what a good wrestler is. Austin's best match is better than 10 of Edge's best combined.