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It's just what I have read about. There is no disagreement here.

It's odd that production wise this PPV seemed to have a bit less of the professional shine that the last one did. One of the big changes that they made included them adding a 2nd "hard camera" to use for those straight on shots of the ring only for close ups. If they had one of those for this PPV I didn't really notice it at all because it really does add a lot. It certainly stood out during the first PPV show. But overall, maybe some back drops for the back stage segments might hide some of the low rent feel when a guy like Larry Sweeney is taking about making big money deals and yet is cutting his promo in front of a cinder block wall. The buildings they run in drag down the show a bit too but honestly that is something that has to be over looked for now. ROH just isn't going to go for broke on a venue much larger than a gymnasium. So time will tell if this improves. Great show BTW top to bottom. I DL'd most of it before Sunday night and I still do not feel bad about spending the 15 bucks.

Well since we supposedly have a hard time telling the difference between a citizen and a terrorist I'd imagine so.

Wow, you didn't contradict a single thing I wrote. Not one. You just keep spewing the same shit over and over in your attempt "to make fun of me". Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about son. I got TWO cops in my family and they both said those morons lost control of the situation. Oh well I'll leave you to your idiocy.

Self hatred is the gas that fuels this machine. Not a bad reason if I say so myself.

Is Is you serious?

KNEW it how? This guy could've had a concealed weapon, or been a martial arts expert, or been infected with AIDS. There's no possible way to accurately assess someone's threat level just by looking at them. Yet it didn't stop them from taking him down. Though I must admit the idea of "a martial arts expert" karate fighting with 6 cops amuses me.

Thanks VH. Fuck the haters. But hey there is only one thing worse than being talked about... and that is NOT being talked about. BTW I'm a big Muse fan too since you hooked me up with those links awhile back.

Haven't any of you ever stood in line to go into a WWE event? I have and it makes me fucking ashamed to like wrestling. The WWE folder is way better than that. Not by much... but the point still stands.

"Discretion" as in assessing a threat and dealing with it according to the degree in which the situation calls for. In THIS case they did not use enough discretion and made the wrong choices. This is not some drunk that got pulled over and came out with a weapon. These cops were never in any danger and they KNEW it. This was ONE guy and eventually six cops but no less than five at any point. If they could not get control of THAT situation without using a weapon then they shouldn't be cops. Fuck them. And I never said that this was a police state. I said that acts like that were police state bullshit. Once again I am talking about THIS situation. If somebody were to run onto a field you handle that differently than you might handle something like this. You know you can be arrested for being drunk in public even if all you were doing otherwise was walking down the street. You don't arrest that fucking guy. You just make sure he gets home in one piece. That is discretion and just good plain common sense. So you drag the guy out of the auditorium, put him down in the lobby calm him down (maybe with a "Calm down and leave so we don't have to lock you up" and send his ass home. Most likely he'll be grateful to escape). So Tsukuyomi can act like my opinions are akin to me fucking his dog at the thanksgiving dinner table in front of grandma and the kids... but had the cops MANAGED the situation like I describe then this NEVER would have been in the media and this conversation would not be happening. And there would have been nothing wrong with that. Shit, you'd think these dumbasses would have taken a "Command Presence" course at some point. But instead they didn't get control right away so they panicked and used the tazer. Weak. All day everyday.

Taking it back has nothing to do with it. I do not find it stupid for the police to use discretion when dealing with unarmed Americans. There used to be a day when people knew the difference between the police watching over the people and the police watching the people. I prefer the former as the latter is police state bullshit (which apparently some here see as the optimum choice). Sorry, but THAT is stupid.

Who the fuck are you? Oh I have so many names.

Nobody wished me a happy birthday since mine was on the 27th. I hate all of you turkeys.

Damn the haters. I'm down with Van Halen. Good guy that one.

I never hear anybody ever say anything good about messageboards. Weird.

Ahh, ye old straw man defense. OK, here we go. That depends if the person has a heart condition. Think a cop can tell the difference? Actually, I do understand much better now. "Going well out of their way?" Now you are just exaggerating. I saw 5 cops put this kid down to the floor to try and command him. I didn't say they were out to injure him. Didn't say it was easy either. But I will say that once he was on the ground with (eventually) 6 cops on the scene, if they couldn't control him they need to back to cop school. http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510302006 Oooh, 150 DEATHS. Didn't compare them to billy clubs either. So feel free to keep shoving words in my mouth. But you'll probably ignore that much like you, the cops, and any one else who supports this nonsense ignore the kids offer to leave. Or didn't you watch the video? Oh I dunno. Starting right off calling people jackasses is a great way to start a debate isn't it? I knew you would agree. Anyhow, all I have time for today. Toodles. -=Cheesy

The Briscoes vs. Steenerico is a really good match. It is too bad I saw this AFTER the street fight in Boston, but it is still a really good match worth the DL.

I think it tends to upset a lot of people since dealing with cops as authority figures (in a general sense) really cuts into some peoples sense of pride. Especially so when it is perceived that these people we trust to have that authority go overboard. Factor in the "politics" of the "issues" they were trying to get raised in the room and... yeah it is a news story albeit not a great one.

And I'm not saying they aren't a preferable alternative to say, a baton or a gun. All I am saying is if this guy was really that much a douche on the mike they had opportunity to let things smooth out between him and Kerry and beyond that could have restrained him easily considering the number of cops that were right there. Some of whom were doing nothing to help.

A cop, as in ONE. In this case there were a shitload of cops. Yeah, I'm doing some learning too.

Nah, with that many officers right there on him they could have rung his arms up to pacify and cuff him. Still would have been a better idea to have the officers ask him to let Kerry answer the damn question... but that is hind sight. Then none of this would have happened.

He flagrantly broke the rules of that forum, and the cops were completely right to take him away. If he "hadn't done anything wrong", then why did the entire room break into applause when the cops first got him? Irrelevant, he's not a law enforcement official, they don't take their orders from him. That's the one part I sorta agree with, especially with all those cameras on them, they probably should've done it a little more discreetly. They used the taser after warning him five times in a row that they'd do so if he didn't stop struggling and let them cuff him. He didn't stop struggling or let them cuff him. When they gave him a bunch of chances to do what he was legally required to, and he refused every time, he gave up his right not to be tased. He was under goddamned arrest, he didn't have the option of getting up and leaving. By that point he'd caused a huge scene and shoved cops around, there's no possible way he was just walking out of there like nothing happened. He got tasered for putting his hands on law enforcement officials and never obeying their orders. So are you telling me that after overpowering him to the ground that they couldn't have cuffed him while he was down there? Struggling or not there were a lot of "cops" just standing there yelling when they could have been helping keep things controlled. The real worry about this isn't just that a mistake was made. It is the precedent it sets for more incidents just like this. Sigh.

Thank you kind sir. No Amdrag/Nigel though?

Holy shit that Star Wars Episode of Family Guy was great. I mean seriously dude? Guy, I mean SHIT! My mind is fully blown.

The guy seemed to go with the cops at first until he remembered he really hadn't done anything wrong at that point. Kerry was even willing to answer his question. There were a whole lot of cops and they couldn't take his skinny ass down with out using a taser? But noooo, they went ahead and used the taser... WHEN HE WAS ON THE FUCKING GROUND WITH COPS ALL OVER HIM! The fucking kid upon hearing the word taser OFFERED TO LEAVE! Of course he was already put to the ground at that point. So yeah, he got tasered for yelling a lot. So worth it to those authoritarian types and typical that they would celebrate it. They didn't NEED to do what they did.