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This story sounds familier. Something about somebody deserting. Hey, there he is giving a speech on TV! Hi Mr. President! <3

Well for what is worth here is what CBS is saying at the moment. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/...ain641481.shtml (CBS/AP) The controversy continues over the authenticity of memos obtained by CBS News that show President Bush's National Guard commander believed Mr. Bush at times shirked his duties and used his political influence. The network is adamantly defending the authenticity of the memos, which were obtained by CBS News' "60 Minutes," saying experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Mr. Bush's former commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. In a statement, CBS News said it stands by its story. "This report was not based solely on recovered documents, but rather on a preponderance of evidence, including documents that were provided by unimpeachable sources, interviews with former Texas National Guard officials and individuals who worked closely back in the early 1970s with Colonel Jerry Killian and were well acquainted with his procedures, his character and his thinking," the statement read. "In addition, the documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but by sources familiar with their content," the statement continued. "Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is underway at CBS News nor is one planned." In a report on Friday night's "CBS News Evening News," Dan Rather reported that many of those raising questions about the documents have focused on something called superscript, a key that automatically types a raised "th." Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the 1970s. But some models did, Rather reported. In fact, other Bush military records already released by the White House itself show the same superscript – including one from as far back as 1968. Some analysts outside CBS say they believe the typeface on these memos is New Times Roman, which they claim was not available in the 1970s. But the owner of the company that distributes this typing style told CBS News that it has been available since 1931. Document and handwriting examiner Marcel Matley analyzed the documents for CBS News. He says he believes they are real. And he is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people questioning the documents, because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced. And the documents being analyzed outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with. Matley did an interview with "60 Minutes" prior to Wednesday's broadcast. He looked at the documents and the signatures of Col. Killian, comparing known documents with the colonel's signature on the newly discovered ones. "We look basically at what's called significant or insignificant features to determine whether it's the same person or not," Matley said. "I have no problem identifying them. I would say based on our available handwriting evidence, yes, this is the same person." Matley finds the signatures to be some of the most compelling evidence. Reached Friday by satellite, Matley said, "Since it is represented that some of them are definitely his, then we can conclude they are his signatures." Matley said he's not surprised that questions about the documents have come up. "I knew going in that this was dynamite one way or the other. And I knew that potentially it could do far more potential damage to me professionally than benefit me," he said. "But we seek the truth. That's what we do. You're supposed to put yourself out, to seek the truth and take what comes from it." Robert Strong was an administrative officer for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam years. He knew Jerry Killian, the man credited with writing the documents. And paper work, like these documents, was Strong's specialty. He is standing by his judgment that the documents are real. "They are compatible with the way business was done at that time," Strong said. "They are compatible with the man I remember Jerry Killian being. I don't see anything in the documents that's discordant with what were the times, the situation or the people involved." Killian died in 1984. Strong says the highly charged political atmosphere of the National Guard at the time was perfectly represented in the new documents. "It verged on outright corruption in terms of the favors that were done, the power that was traded. And it was unconscionable from a moral and ethical standpoint. It was unconscionable," Strong said. The president's service record emerged as an issue during the 2000 race and again this winter. The Killian documents revived the issue of Mr. Bush's time in uniform after weeks in which Democratic challenger John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam combat veteran, has faced questions over his record as a Navy officer and an anti-war protester. The questions about Mr. Bush's service center on how Mr. Bush got into the Guard and whether he fulfilled his duties during a period from mid-1972 to mid-1973. What the Killian memos purport to show is that Mr. Bush defied a direct order to appear for a physical exam, that his performance as an officer was lacking in other ways and that Mr. Bush used family connections to try to quash any inquiry into his lapses. In a separate development, the Boston Globe this week reported that Mr. Bush promised to sign up with a Boston-area unit when he left his Texas unit in 1973 to attend Harvard Business School. Mr. Bush never signed up with a Boston unit. Mike, you may resume your normally scheduled liberal bashing. Cuz, we are ALL liars and Bush is the second coming making us "safer" everyday.

Speaking of the current state of religious thought.... According to the same site bootlegs of The Passion are selling quite well in the Middle East. Go figure. A healthy dose of Jesus? "I'm Juxtaposing" by Eightheadz, creator of 8BM.com After watching Passion of the Christ I have a few questions. One. Why did the “Jewish religious establishment” feel that they needed to pay Judas to find Jesus anyway? Was Jesus preaching in secret? Was he a fugitive of the law? I never got the impression that he was teaching in back rooms and in poorly lit basements under a whisper. He was supposed to be out in the open, standing on a hill and gathering hundreds if not thousands of people around him. But if he was so open about his teachings, then they wouldn’t have had to pay anyone to tell them where he was going to be now would they? They could have just arrested him after one of his sermons. Not only did they have to pay Judas to find him but they didn’t even know what Jesus looked like. Judas had to kiss him on the cheek so the thugs that the "Jewish religious establishment" sent to arrest him would even know which hippie to rough up. They actually asked Judas, “how will we know who he is.” That is when Judas came up with the homoerotic idea to plant big wet one on Jesus. So it is safe to assume that Jesus wasn’t some superstar pop icon like some people would want you to believe. The fact is that people didn’t even know what the fuck he looked like. Not even his enemies. Think about that for a second. If you let Christians tell the story he was the most popular thing since Manna. If he had it like that I doubt it would have been a problem to just arrest him whenever he was out and about preaching to thousands of disenfranchised Jews hanging on his every word. If he was that sweet they wouldn’t have needed Judas’ help in finding him and could’ve saved 30 silver pieces? Two. This brings me to my next problem, the beat down. Seriously Mel, are we supposed to walk away from that thinking that the Romans put a little something special on that ass whupping that they served Jesus that day? I am sure Jesus wasn’t the first or the last criminal to catch an ass kicking like that. In terms of beat downs, people have gotten much worse around the world before Jesus and since Jesus for much less. Genghis Khan once poured hot silver in someone’s eyes and ears for stealing his tribute. That was worse. Stealing Genghis Khan’s shit I think is also much worse than just saying that you have a better way of looking at things and turning over a few tables at a synagogue. Hell, African American slaves were beaten to death not just beaten bad enough to still have the strength to carry a 500 pound cross a few miles on his back through the streets then up the side of a friggin mountain. How can others go through much worse than Jesus ever did and yet Jesus’ ass kicking is enough to cleanse us of our sins? I guess when you are the self-proclaimed son of man you’ve earned the right get off light. Hell, at the rate that we charge up debt for being inhumane towards one another humanity would have been right back where we all started before they pushed that thorn crown into his forehead. Three. Another problem I had with the movie was Jesus’ arrogance. Actually this was a huge problem I had. That is right, I said arrogance. After the first wave of beat downs with those sticks, did you notice that they quit beating him once he fell to his knees? They only brought out the heavy artillery (cat o-nine-tails) once Jesus stood up defiantly like, “what? That’s all you’ve got?” In the immortal words of Marsellus Wallace talking to Butch in Pulp Fiction … “Fuck pride.” Jesus should have just acted like he passed out. That’s what I would have done. In my opinion standing up after all of that was the equivalent of playing "Fuck the Police” at volume ten when you get pulled over by the police for drunk driving. I’m sorry. It’s hard for me to be sympathetic towards someone when I see that. That is what I call “asking for it.” Then again I am not the savior of mankind. Maybe being the savior of mankind dictates that you flip your nose up at the establishment every chance you get. This would go along way to explaining why I am not the savior of mankind. I kept yelling at the screen, “stay down…stay down…”. Then again I was saying that and I know how the story ends so what does that say about me? To me it seemed like Jesus had umpteenth opportunities to get out of that whole situation if he wanted but it looked like his ego kept getting in the way. How many times did people ask him simple, direct questions where if he would have just opened his mouth and explained himself, instead of acting like he was too good to answer them, they could have cleared all of this up in no time? I know he wanted to be all defiant in front of the guys that were railroading him but give me a break. Pride is a motherfucker ain’t it? Apparently even for Jesus. See that is why I was a little confused when he said, “God why have thou art forsaken me” it was like it was just sinking in that he was pretty much fucked. It took getting nailed up on a cross for that? If I were Jesus I would've said that "why have thou art forsaken me” line right about the time that I saw the crowd cheering for Bar'Abbas over me. It was almost like he thought God would have saved him way before he was nailed on that cross. Like that whole time he was expecting the cavalry to arrive and now he realizes once he is up there that they ain’t coming. Maybe that is why he was acting so defiant, he must’ve been expecting God to strike everybody down with lighting bolts the whole time he was being biggety with everyone. Well maybe God did give him an out. God gave him Pontius Pilot and Herod. What bigger out did you need? God could have given him for Los Angeles Police chief Darryl Gates. See where I am going with this? Both Pontius and Herod found no reason to harm. If Jesus would have just sucked up his pride a little bit and explained himself he could have be released unscathed, but he didn’t say anything. He just sat there defiantly and let things follow their course. Which is fine, if that is how you wanted things to go down, but then why are you crying about it on the cross once the end is near like someone (God) was “forsaking you”? Read the Bible, Herod was actually a fan of Jesus. All he wanted was to see Jesus perform a few magic tricks. Read him a fortune or something. Herod definitely would have let Jesus walk. Four. My last problem with the film is that the story of Jesus seems to be, at least from my view, a condemnation of capital punishment. And I know that wasn’t Mel Gibson’s intent considering he’d kill anything but an unborn fetus. I am sure the conservatives of the world would disagree with me, but what I felt appalled people in that film, at least the people that were appalled, was not that this was being done to Jesus per se, but that this level of inhumanity was being done to anyone. When homey got pissed off at the Roman thugs mercilessly kicking Jesus he stopped the Roman soldiers by declaring that he wouldn’t carry the cross a step further if they didn’t stop kicking Jesus ass. He didn’t know who the fuck Jesus was. He just knew that what they were doing was pretty fucked up. See that film was pretty accurate in my assessment as to how we feel today about our convicted felons today. When it comes to convicted felons, whether it was in Israel 2000 years ago or in any state penitentiary anywhere in the world we feel like we have the right to do anything we want to someone once they have been convicted in the eyes of the law. How many conservatives complain that convicted criminals have televisions when they shouldn’t, books when they shouldn’t, three meals a day when they shouldn’t? How much sympathy does a convicted felon get when he complains about getting raped in jail? That all comes with the territory, right? The court said that they were guilty. Even if you are innocent of these particular charges you must’ve done something otherwise you wouldn’t be in this position right? Isn’t that the line of logic they use? The story of Jesus , or at least the story of Jesus told by Mel Gibson is about how inhumane we can be to the people that we judge. It is a condemnation of capital punishment as much as it is anything else. I would say that this is especially true for the Passion of the Christ which really isn’t so much a story about anything after 30 minutes into it. What really confused me was at the end of the movie when a tear drop from God comes falling down to the earth and starts an earthquake. What’s God sad about? If God didn’t want Jesus to be killed then he could have done something about it. Better yet, if he didn’t want Jesus to be killed he could have chosen some other way for Jesus to pay for our salvation. He was a carpenter. He could have repaired front porches for people for no charge or something until the humanities debt was paid off. God is God after all isn’t he? God by definition means that you get to make the rules as you see fit. And if he (God) chose not to do anything to prevent what Jesus went through from going down because what happened to Jesus had to be done then what the hell are you crying for? Surely God had the gift of foresight. He knew exactly how it was going to go down. What, it just hurt to see it all play out? That is what foresight is. You see it ahead of time. The Rabbis and the Romans were just doing his bidding. They were fulfilling prophesy. They were just playing their role. Without them, Jesus doesn’t die for our sins and everyone is still fucked. I’d say that they deserve a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. Without them, I wouldn’t be able to tell a priest on my death bed that I am sorry for writing this article and be forgiven and still get into heaven. Besides, you’re crying for only son and all you could muster up was one single tear? It must be a man thing because mother Mary was totally fucked up about it. She had snot coming out of her nose and everything. She was crying so hard that her eyes were red. I guess mothers take the execution of their sons a lot harder than fathers. Either that or what they say is true, “Mother’s baby, father’s maybe.” http://eightballmagazine.com/diatribes/vol...iatribes483.htm

Patronise all you like, however, Buchanan just wants GW to act like the conservative he claims to be.

These days it seems like ole Pat is the only conservative making any sense. Go figure!

Fuck it. If the shoe fits....

Fuck corporations. Our feudal lords can kiss my ass.

Bringer of Blood makes me laugh.

and THATS a bloody nose! Ka-Pow!

Not much effort was put forth. Usually one of those CE-is-filled-with-right-wingers threads has some condecending shit saying how he can't post in there anymore because everybody is ignorant. Then we all laugh at said poster and Dr. Tom punks him out. But I guess beggers can't be choosers... Better than the usual "Only reason Mike isn't banned is because Tom likes him" crap. EVERYBODY loves me. -=Mike No, just SOMEBODY.

Cry me a river. Mr. Thin Skin.

So, being nice and understanding STILL causes them to have hostages taken when they do ANYTHING to upset the extremists? So, can any of the critics of the War tell us how, exactly, Bush's actions made us less safe? -=Mike ...As I said at the time, "If we're nice, maybe they'll kill us last" is a poor policy... Yeah, and killing innocent civilians won't make others join the cause of the maniacs. Good ploy to win their hearts and minds. A better policy would have been to keep our actions small so any mistakes made along the way would have been harder for any media to blow out of proportion. Yanno, so it at least doesn't LOOK like an occupation! Instead, we get a pot boiling over. Now even more of them are becoming extremists. Just like in Iran, when the iranians felt like they had no one to turn to other than the Ayatollah. Now that country is run by hardliners. Whoops! WHOOPS! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1195124/posts Yeah, I feel so much safer.

A good reminder that as far off course the left has gone, the right hasn't doing much more for its own cause either. They really are all just a bunch of bandits trying to grab whatever they can while they can. Like philosophy actually matters anymore, just DON'T BE POOR!

Isn't it sad, though, that a candidate is trying to get a book suppressed? Man, Disney got more heat over F 9/11 than Kerry is about this. -=Mike Oh please... if that isn't fucking stretching to make a point, then I don't know what is The campaign is calling on the publiser to withdraw the book, they're not fucking doing anything major to take the books off the shelves... when a lawsuit comes up or if someone tied to the Kerry campaign actually finds a way to get the publisher to remove the books, then you'll have a point Jig, I think the point is that he is doing something to try and remove this. Bush and Co didn't do anything to remove F 9/11; that was Disney, and that was probably just as slanderous as this book could possibly be. And the fact that they are vigourously trying to remove what would normally be considered a whacko book (God knows Bush has enough out there written about him) is just lending it more and more credibility. It's what Michael Moore wanted for F 9/11 but couldn't get. I doubt that Bush and CO. COULD have done anything to suppress F-911. The wave of media surrounding the oncoming controversy was already swelling. Nothing was going to stop that movie from getting released. Now Kerry and CO. wanna hide a book? Politics as usual.

I realize that hindsight is 20/20 but I think its at least good to ask questions. So easily can these questions be turned in witchhunts. "So YOU were the one who was asleep at the wheel!!!" etc etc.

I think also that the time for the reality that people on either side are not going anywhere regardless of the results of the election. Both sides need to see that having an opinion and declaring it isn't going to make people of an opposing view just disappear. Is it so hard to handle the idea that both sides should be asking what the other would be willing to compromise on as far as issues and laws? I mean, yes, I'm a left leaning guy but not every issue is as important to me as some others. I mean what laws, issues, or controversies would you be willing to concede to make gains elsewhere? Good post Mike.

Let me know where and when.... I'm game. Not too far from Beantown being in Cow Hampshire.

How ELSE is a revenge minded girl gonna get close enough to a Yakuza boss to kill him? It is actually a really calculated move on her part. Makes for a good excuse to build her becoming one of the worlds deadliest assassans so early in life as well. Cuz when the "underworld" hears about Matsumoto getting killed, they'll want to hire the resourseful person who did it. Hence at 20 years old, suddenly she is THAT highly ranked to be hired to snipe military dictators? Hells yeah! Plus, there wasn't any sex in the scene. It plays out like they never got to it cuz O-REN went right for the kill once he was vulnerable.

Has he admitted to any of the corruption charges? If so he should just bounce out of there and let the Lt. Gov. take over til November.

No idea if he is gay. But MI2 had a SHITLOAD of gay subtext in it.

This would have been a better idea than Empire IMO. Promised Land had some good stuff. The rest is all shite. Once again IMO. I don't have very high hopes, but I'll give it a listen since I loved Mindcrime back in the day.

Lets not overlook that in waiting the 7 minutes Bush did make a mistake. A forgivable mistake but mistake nonetheless. As an issue (which it IS considering how much debate has been lended to it) it is a small one and I doubt would be the turing point for any independent voting. Nor should it be. But if this is being cast as one of "Moores talking points" then the attempts to minimize his influence has failed. In conclusion, I will now investigate this mystery known as Monkey Island.

Who COULDN'T? you.

I agree with you on your stance. For me, finding a candidate to my liking is very difficult. This time around it just seems like another round of holding my nose and voting. It's awful when the only choices available have their hands so deep in the corporate cookie jar that nobody can trust them regardless of what your beliefs are. Bush and Kerry are both dickheads for the obvious reasons "debated" here and elsewhere and now we have to choose. Just plain nifty.

This is all well and good. I would suggest they expand it a bit beyond just being on the net. Tack these matches on the end of the PPVs or make use of the Comcasts On Demand service so you can watch them on your TV, tape them etc. Besides by being exclusively on-line not everybody will be able to take advantage of this considering alot of peeps have slow computers. I second the motion to get alot of older complete MSG events from back in the day. I know there have to be a huge number of events on tape from the old Boston Garden, MSG, and other places from what I saw on the old Prime Time show.