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Michael Cera will go on to really great things. I posted something about how I thought he was one of the best guys on the show a while ago.

Never say never, but this is possibly the true end to Arrested Development. Here is something I started last year: http://www.myspace.com/adfansaredown If anyone has any .GIF requests or anything like that, I'll see what have on my computer. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111794046...17&cs=1&s=h&p=0

That would be a great way to explain all of this, except for the fact that the HoF ceremony is not just a show to thank Bret. It's not just all about him and only him. It's a show to honor the business, and eight other inductees as well.

Hmmm, I didn't know that. Well, Helms is out for a number of weeks/months, right? They could have done this "big" angle where the cruisers fought over the number one contendership in Helms' absence. The point is that the cruisers should have been on the show. I don't mean that really in a way where I'm saying they should care for the division, because we all know they really don't. I'm shocked they didn't have them on the show just because it usually makes for a hot match that gets the crowd really into the show. Seems like they'd want that on there. As of right now, there aren't really matches like that on the card, unless they blow their load and have the MITB match go on first.

From the latest FoleyIsBlog: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/mickfoley/foleyisblog

Slither is at 83% right not at RT, with five fresh and one rotten.

That doesn't really apply here. In that situation you are asking for someone not to be there to interact with you. That isn't the case with Bret. He's going as far to say that he doesn't even want HBK in the same building, even though no interaction between the two would take place at all. Like I said before, to make everyone happy, Bret should go on last (not even showing up at the building until it's just about time for him to go on), at which point HBK could leave if Bret really wants him to. That way HBK is there for all of the inductions, and Bret gets to be "comfortable". Bret would miss the other inductions, but that would be his price to pay for demanding that he isn't in the room with HBK. I don't think Bret even wants to be in the same room with HBK, it's not just about him giving his speech.

From PWInsider:

And I don't think any of us can say that it's unreasonable to say that his demand is unreasonable, and that's where we'll never agree. I'll just be glad when Saturday comes and goes. They'll never truly be able to let go of all of this, but hopefully this will be the final push for trying to get Bret involved in anything anymore. Then again, I hear they want to do another Bret Hart DVD, so I doubt they'll ease up on trying to convince him to come in. As a side note, and I doubt this really means anything at all, PWInsider recently said that while offering Bret a contract to do an angle at WM, they also included in it that he would not be able to show up at any other wrestling show for at least 90 days after.

I didn't like MNM to start with, but they have grown to be my favorite tag team in years. They really take me back to the days when the tag team division meant something, and I'm talking way back when, even before the Edge/Christian era. MNM should be taking on another strong, well built up team, at this WM show. The problem is that there aren't really any other built up teams to make for a truly great match, interms of both quality and emotional level. Sure there are other teams that could provide for a great match, but it wouldn't really be a match that would mean anything in the end. I really miss tag team wrestling. I miss the days when the division was made of of actual teams, instead of just guys who got together (TBS/Kane and Carlito/Masters). Hell, I miss when there was an actual division.

How in the world would the night be ruined just by having HBK sitting in the crowd? The only way that I would put any stock in that at all would be if Bret is seriously worried that HBK would get up and try to say something, or there is this big plan for Vince to have HBK up on the stage with Bret when he does his speech. And I highly doubt anything like that would happen. It all goes back to this single point: No matter if Bret thinks that this is his big event, it's not. It's a big event that Bret Hart just happens to be taking part in for a few minutes. This isn't just about Bret. If this was a special show just for him, then he'd have a case for demanding that HBK not being there, and I wouldn't blame him at all for it. Nothing would happen, even with HBK in the crowd. The show would go on, Bret would give his speech, the show would end, and then they could all go their seperate ways. If Bret wants to demand that he doesn't show up, then they should have Bret's induction be the very last thing on the show. HBK could be there in the crowd for everyone else, then at the very end HBK could leave, and Bret Hart could show up at the building at that point to give his speech. It could be a trade off for both of them. I'd still think that's stupid, but I wouldn't have as big a problem with it. Sure, Bret would miss the other inductions, but it would be his fault for acting like he is if they did something like that.

I just hope that Liger/Daniels is better than Liger/Joe.

I'm shocked that they haven't added some sort of cruiser match, maybe something for the #1 contendership.

I love your insults, especially when they come from a place that you don't even understand. You see, in life it is perfectly fine to have negative feelings towards people that have wronged you. There is no way to ever get around certain things taking place which leads to you pretty much hating another person, have it be dealing with family, work, or whatever. However, that does not mean that you go around acting like a stuck up twat all of the time, refusing to be able to go to the same event with the people. There are a couple of people in my family that I pretty much despise, but we still have certain family gatherings where we are both to attend, and I do so. I try to see them or talk to them as little as possible, for the overall good of the even, out of respect for everyone else. If this was some sort of event set up just to honor Bret Hart or the Hart family or something else along those lines, then it would be perfectly acceptable for Bret to demand that HBK not be there. That isn't the case here though. This event is not just about Bret Hart. It's more about the business overall, and the eight other inductees. In this certain social situation, Bret Hart is not, and should not, be in any position to demand who does not show up just for his own personal sake. There is no other way to put it other than unprofessional, childish, and very selfish. Of course HBK isn't "the good of the event" at this HoF thing. I'm talking about the overall show. I'm talking about the respect of everyone else in attendance, and the other inductees. How can you not understand the concept of people hating others, but then being able to suck it up, to somewhat take part in the same event. It happens every day in the workplace, at family gatherings, political meeting. I expect you to now fish for something else to fuck up with, but I really don't know how to make this any clearer than I already have. All of that is possible, and honestly more than likely, but it does not give Bret a special pass to be able to make such a demand, and goes back to what I've just said in this very post.

Is it safe to say that the only inductions that will be aired on USA will be Bret, Eddie, and Gene?

See, this is the perfect example of a blind Bret Hart fan. Someone who, understandably, is pissed off over what happened, but yet they then are not able to see the stupidity and childishness that Bret Hart then displays. They think that the world owes him for all of the bad stuff that happened in his life up to this point, and that it's fine for him to make such petty demands, because he just can't stand the thought of even being in the same room with HBK for a few hours. I've said it's important to Bret, and it's great to have those feelings still. I don't blame him or think he's stupid for that. The line is how he presents himself, his level of professionalism, and then his childish demands of saying he doesn't even want him in the room because he couldn't stand that. I'm not saying I'm qualified in saying that Bret shouldn't still feel pissed at HBK for what happened, but I am saying that he should be able to suck it up for a few hours for the good of the event, instead of acting like a grade A dick. I think Brets a twat for being so childish, but you are such a fan of his that you refuse to be able to see that, and that's fine. We'll never agree with one another on it either way.

The only thing that bugs me more than a blind HHH mark, is a blind Bret Hart mark.

Of course not, just an example. I don't think what happened between them was so bad to the point where Bret wouldn't be able to stand in the same big room with the guy for a few hours, at a ceremony that is meant to honor a group of people in the same profession. Not to mention that it was almost an entire decade ago. And more than likely there are people in the crowd who have just as much a reason, or even more of a reason, to hate someone else that is in that room. Again, they aren't saying they want Bret to go up to HBK and talk to him, shake hands, or even look at the guy.

Maybe Edge got pissed because a little of it went in his mouth, and he only recently kicked the soda habit?

I am not saying that he doesn't have the right to feel the way he does. Anyone who has been through what he has obviously has that right, the right to feel that way. The thing that rubs me the wrong way is that the way he is making this demand, talking in interviews, is that it comes across so petty and pathetic, ie, unprofessional. Bret Hart was fine in his days as a worker, and I agree with him on his thoughts on what happened at SS97. Throughout his career, he was one of the most professional guys ever. Putting over who needed the win, going alone with certain things when he certainly didn't have to, and on and on. So him acting like this, at this time, it just doesn't go along with what most people knew of him from his wrestling career. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever did anything like this back in the day. It just seems highly unprofessional to me to demand that HBK not be there. I mean, this ceremony isn't just all about poor little Bret you know. There is a big list of other inductees, one of which is Eddie Guerrero who just recently passed away. Do you not think that HBK deserves to be there to see the show and to see all of these other inductions? I'm sure he wants to be there to see Eddie's induction. He worked in the same company as the guy, and you know it more than likely hit HBK hard just as it did everyone else. But no, we have Bret Hart who walks in here and demands that HBK not be in the building at all. The mere sight of HBK sitting in the crowd would be far too much for him to take, and if he sees him he would walk out of the building, out on WWE, and out on his fans who are there to see him and ruin the show for everyone, disrespecting everyone involved in it, including the other inductees. I do think that WWE owes Bret Hart for all of his hard work over the years. They owe it to him to put him in the HoF, they owe it to him to allow him to be remembered as a fantastic worker (DVDs, books, whatever else), but I don't think they owe him what he is asking here. WWE and Vince isn't asking Bret to go up to HBK and give him a big ol' hug (well, behind the scenes they more than likely are). HBK would just be in the building, sitting in the crowd. It isn't like HBK killed Bret's children or anything, so I don't see what in the world the big problem is, no matter how much Bret hates him. It comes across as beyond childish to me. I don't blame Bret for not taking part in an angle or wanting to do something with HBK in that respect, no matter how much I'd like to see it as a fan of his.

It's fine to have pride in his work in the business, I'm not saying that. There is a line where people can cross though, that leads to you coming off like a cocky bastard who truly thinks he's better than everyone else, that they have never done any wrong at all, and then they think everyone in the world owes him everything and more. Bret reached that point years ago, and it's obvious in his interviews. I don't see how more people can't be sick listening to Bret Hart sometimes. He comes off worse that most of the top guys that people hate on all of the time. So no one else here thinks that it's pathetic and petty that Bret would demand that HBK not be at the show? Not a single one of you? Ugh.

Thats what I mean, its stupid. I know the WWE has a large American audience, but what about the rest of us, who quite frankly don't want to sit through it! I know I can just ignore it, but why should I have to?! You are just a few posts away from being the new fanofcoils. WWE is based in America. The PPV, their biggest show of the year, is taking place in America. Most of the people who work in the company are American. Much of the WWE fanbase livein America. What exactly do you not get? I fully expect Hogan to be on the show, more than likely just doing something like beating up The Spirit Squad (well, either him or Austin). If Hogan doesn't have an actual match, and just does something like that, do you know how much they'd still have to pay him? Is it still the same as if he had an actual match?

Don't take this the wrong, but if Vince was six feet under, a lot of things could be different, in a good way. I'm not saying I want him to kill over or anything, but it's hard to argue with it. Now watch HHH or Shane's son one day do an angle that involves some of the Hart family kids, some of HBK's kids and McMahon kids, where they use a psychic to talk to all of those involved in the SS97 deal.

Do you honestly think that if everything goes down perfectly, that we'll realy never hear of this again? As long as everyone involved still hold grudges and decide to take shots at the other, we'll never hear the end of it. I don't think we'll ever hear the end of it until all of the participants are retired and out of the industry for good.

I'm a mark for both Bret Hart and HBK, but only for their actual work in the business. As people, as human beings, neither one of them are high on my list of guys that I admire or think very highly of. We all know that HBK has been a twat for much of his career, that's no secret. In recent years though, since his return, he's really calmed down and has indeed seemed like someone who did change in one way or another, for the better. It's not like we go week after week where we hear all of this shit on him like we did back in the day. Then with Bret Hart, he's pretty much always been a cocky bastard, in terms of his attitude. Sure he's been a great person, doing a lot of work for charity and stuff like that as far as I know, but that doesn't change the fact that I hate his attitude. He seems more cocky and stuck up than almost any other wrestler in history. It's like he totally believes his old gimmick of "the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be". I loved that gimmick, it's one of my favorites ever up there with the original Mankind, Ric Flair, and Hulk Hogan, but Bret takes it to a brand new level. It's so apparent on his DVD, and it made me a little sick to hear some of the things that he said. The problem is that it seems that Bret Hart gets worse and worse as the years go by. He had all of that bad stuff happen to him, I know. He's lost two brothers (I think), both his parents, a brother-in-law, some great friends, the SS shit, the guy had a stroke, a bad crash on a motorcycle, etc... Yes, we know the guy has had it very rough for the past decade, and most feel for the guy. The problem is that as the years go by, he seems more and more like he truly believes that the entire world owes him so much, and it continues to feed his cocky attitude. Both Bret and HBK would be in my top twenty favorite workers of all time, but I'm just able to seperate my love for their ring work from them as people.