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I will even admit that as much as I try to remain positive, most of what I have had any hope for at all has ended up blowing up and failing horribly.

If you actually thought I meant someone could post such bullshit in the WWE folder of all places, then you most certainly have a problem. What in the world are you talking about? I didn't criticize anyone for disallowing flaming or flat out stupidity, that's all that I think SHOULD change about the WWE folder. A topic entitled "I don't think Benoit will ever be over." is perfectly fine, as is something like "Randy Orton simply doesn't deserve this push.", both can lead to very nice conversation as long as you keep the flames out. By saying "stupid" topics, I mean the perfectly obvious bullshit that everyone else would deem as stupid. I don't even think something like that NEEDS an example, anyone with common sense knows what is truly a stupid thread. Why make a million threads when a single one is perfectly fine? It's been that way forever, it should still be that way. Just deal with the morons personally, don't punish everyone in a thread because of one or two idiots. When the mods get in the way of allowing conversation to go where it will, then THAT'S an actual problem. This is not a big deal, it's just a bunch of wrestling fans having fun. Everyone is making too big of a deal over the WWE folder being "full of trash". Go look at any wrestling board on the net. This one is by far one of the best ones out there. Then be the guy who provides some interesting insight that steers the topic of discussion back to the original topic. I've seen threads where the topic went back and forth, and some very thought provoking topics at that. When you post something that provides insight, perhaps other will notice it and start talking about what you just said. It's a conversation, it's how it works, it goes both ways.

What does he look like exactly?

You are exactly right, some people love the Bret/Shawn Iron Man match and others think it's horrible. I'm in the latter.

What in the world is your problem all of a sudden and where do you get off saying something as insane as that? I've said over and over again that I mean people should post whatever they want IN TERMS OF THE WWE, or whatever said folder's topic is as long as it's not a flame, or just something flat out obviously stupid. Of course something stupid like that should be deleted...good God. I just don't see the big deal in allowing people to talk about whatever the hell they want to, and I don't see why people can't guide the topics in whatever direction that they want to. AS LONG AS, they do not do so by using flames, and by being an outright moron. It's the beauty of talking about stuff, you never know where it'll take you.

It wasn't a crappy thread, and there wasn't a single reason why it should have been locked. People were just talking about a certain incident, who cares? I just don't like the idea of threads being shut down for no reason at all. If that one was locked, then why not any number of any of the other ones that are in the same setup?

Ok, so we can only talk about 100% confirmed happenings then? There you go, limiting what in the world that we can say. Are you going to ban us from posting "rumors" that come from Torch/1wrestling/Meltzer and all of the rest now, seeing how they are wrong every now and then also? The Eddy thread wasn't so much talking about that one incident, it was a topic discussing incidents like it, where wrestlers get out of line. Not a thing in the world wrong with that. The posters in the thread already made points about it possibly not being true, that's when the topic evolved into a more general conversation about incidents like what was rumored. Again, nothing wrong with such as that. Once again, you are limiting what we are "allowed" to post about. Go ahead, follow that line, and I promise you that slowly and surely, you'll have much larger problems on your hands to deal with. Like, I dunno, getting people to ever post there period. What is wrong with talking about whatever we want to, as long as it's not brainless flaming? Can anyone give me an answer to that? Orton is the hot topic of this current period in WWE history, we'd all be insane not to talk about it so much, have it be in a good or a bad way. He's on a lot of people's mind, he's one of the current certerpieces of WWE TV. It will pass, and it'll move on to the next hot topic, whoever/whatever that might be.

I've never even heard of Airraidcrash.

So people can't express their opinion on something like that? I don't see what the big deal was, all everyone was doing was talking about the possibility of Eddy doing something, have it be true or not. It was a valid discussion going on, and it was a pretty good one at that. To lock one thread like this, and not any number of the other ones, just doesn't make sense to me at all. Again, what exactly is wrong with the topic changing it's tune? It happens on every other board, at every other message board, and in every aspect of life. The WWE folder isn't some sort of strict ass school or something, it's where people just talking about wrestling. Don't turn it into some sort of tightassed forum where you have to actually watch whatever it is that you say not, in fear that you might guide the conversation into a different dirrection The only deal with the WWE folder is the flames/one word posts that take place here and there, that's the only thing that I see even close to being wrong with it.

If we can have a black Lois Lane, I want a white Shaft damnit. A white Shaft starring Will Ferrell at that.

Too much free time = well, too much free time.

But the mods have said that the goal is to stop them. You haven't done so YET, simply because one of those sort of threads hasn't come up yet. If you actually take up for closing the thread that you did close, then I have no doubt in my mind that you'll do the same to one of the others that eventually come up. You basicly said I was wasting your time, it doesn't sound to me like you want me to continue doing this. If you are sorry for saying that, then I accept, and thank you for being man enough to do so. I was hoping you didn't really mean it, lol. I higly doubt anyone else is going to mention it by now, I still look at it as possibly getting others to believe it since it's still on the board, and still taking up room, but whatever. I just don't think a board looks very good when you have closed threads listed, I've always looked at that as just "trash" taking up space, not just here, but anywhere. I'm so glad you just said that. What should be done in instances like that is to warn that ONE person personally through PM or something, not close down the entire thread because of one jackass. That is the absolutely only thing in the entire thread that was even CLOSE to being warnable or anything, everything else was an actual conversation, and a good one at that. That happens in threads all over the board, and it's never been a problem before. When it goes far the normal posters usually just go "hey dude, stop quoting so much". What you saw there...it was NOTHING compared to how it can be sometimes, and like I said, it's never been a problem before. The conversation "evolved", it happens in just about every thread, it happens every day in real life, that's how things work. You can't expect everyone to keep EVERY single thread to ONLY talk about what was brought up in the original post, that's just insane. I'm serious, you should just lock all of the threads if this is your stance. It most certainly was comparing the two, that's why people started talking about it in the first place. See above. You can't just go and close down topics, conversations, because the topic involved, that's just a type of censorship at it's best. What do you want exactly? Conversation evolves, it's how it works, and it's like that not only in the WWE folder, not only at TSM, not only on other boards, not only on the internet, but EVERYWHERE. You go where the conversation takes you (as long as it doesn't become a flame war). Just read the above again and again and again. No, the idea is just stupid period. Some people just started watching wrestling, some just started watching it in the past year, the past two years, the past two years, the past five years. Not everyone has been watching it as long as myself and many others here, you can't expect everyone to know so much about history as many of us here do. When a new fan posts something which makes it obvious that they don't know what they are talking about or they just aren't familier with the past, it's the job of all of us who DO know what the truth is, etc... to let them know by discussing it with them. That's how I look at it. I'm not sure which part you are talking about with that one. Bad argument or not, who cares? Let people believe whatever they believe, and let everyone else sort everything else and to counter it. As long as they aren't flaming (and they most certainly were not), then what's the big deal? People believe what they believe, that's perfectly fine, however stupid it might be at times, heh. That isn't what you said before, you should've made that clear. You are coming off like people can't actually express their opinions on certain things. EVERY opinion should be able to be expressed, no matter how insane, as long as they don't flame it up for whatever reason. Very well, you are wrong then, lol. This isn't as big of a deal as you all are making it out to be, you have a good bunch of people that post here for the most part, this is a great place to spend time on the net. Then my God, are you blind. You are acting like almost every single post that is EVER made in the WWE folder is nothing but trash and should be deleted or the people just shouldn't post. That is an insane posistion, and I hope you don't seriously believe that. You aren't going to get some sort of major in depth discussion every single time out, the MAIN point about this place is to have fun and to talk about wrestling, this isn't school. No way that is true if you actually believe that only 5 posts a day are worth anything at all. Either you are lying, or you simply have your expectations set way too f'n high. Who the hell cares? Well how about the guys who make the topics, and the guys who respond and talk about it over and over and over again. People should be allowed to talk about whatever the hell they want, as long as it's on topic. The mods should dictate what can and can not be talked about as long as it's about WWE and it's not a flame. That's your opinion, your personal opinion shouldn't get in the way of what other people want to talk about as long as it's not against the rules. "OMG ORTON SUCKS WHO AGREES" shouldn't be a thread, but "I really don't think Orton will ever make it big." is just fine to me. Everything having to do with WWE, rumor/perception/whatever the hell you want to call it should and has ALWAYS been fair game to be discussed. It's the...you know...the point of a message board. Keep the flames out, and there isn't a thing wrong with it. So you can't even name a thread that shouldn't be there? I thought there was a huge problem with the WWE folder. The only thing that's locked and has been dealt with (besides the Bret thread), is one that shouldn't have been locked in the first place. It doesn't sound like there's that big of a problem to me. You most certainly are limiting what we can and can not talk about. You just said that certain things, in your opinion, aren't worth discussing. That's your opinion, not a rule or anything. A mod doesn't do stuff like that, they just make sure things are on topic and in order, that's basicly what a mod does. I want to know who makes fun of it also, seeing how this place is one of the best boards out there period, not just wrestling related. To be quite honest, I've heard more widespread "making fun" of this board since the staff here all of a sudden decided to change things with new "rules" and the such than I EVER heard before all of this started. It's laughable to many people now actually. Trust me, I'm not contradicting myself at all. Let me explain what I meant by that. You see, over the past few years there are those who never cause trouble, are good posters, and all of the like. On the other hand, you have people who are known for starting shit, known for being an out right moron, and the rest of all of that, you get the idea. By clean slate I simply mean that you should keep things going as they have been, make it so that any warnings we had in the past are void (other than bans, those stay), but at the same time, keep a "special" eye on the known troublemakers. Focus more on those who have a history of stupidity, rather than on the "good" posters, if that makes sense. Yes, allow everyone a clean slate, but keep your eyes open and on those who you KNOW have caused trouble in the past. Your goal as a mod shouldn't be to educate people about wrestling (if that's what you are talking about). You should do so as a posters, just as everyone else will do. We all learn stuff here, we all learn. You can't get all insane and start thinking that every topic should be this big thought provoking wrestling chat. I mean, it's wrestling afterall, it's just entertainment not some sort of political college class or something. The goal is to just talk about wrestling and what happens, any aspect of it that we want, and to do so without being a total moron in terms of resorting to flat out flaming and all of that crap. Educated threads will happen, they DO happen, but all of us having fun happens as well.

If/when they actually do prove that someone was put to death that was innocent, what do you suppose will happen? Will the masses demand that something change, or will they accept it as a mistake and believe that the odds are still against it for the most part?

In theory, the main event of WM should actually be HHH/HBK I suppose, seeing how HBK has been trying to get the title from HHH for so long now.

Exactly. On the same note, Rocky/Batista doesn't have any place in Orton/Foley either, not at freaking WrestleMania where the Orton/Foley feud will more than likely climax. If that match isn't one on one, I'll be very pissed after all of this buildup. Rocky should be in a singles match, and what better than him against HBK?

The clip that I had of Heat didn't show any of that really.

Cool, maybe we'll get some surprises on RAW and SD over the next two weeks. I don't think we have what should be a "huge show" myself, not right now. I'd have HHH/Benoit, Angle/Eddy, HBK/Rocky, Foley/Orton, and something like Austin/Hogan to really make all of the marks and the such happy. Stuff like HHH/Benoit/HBK and Orton/Batista vs. Rocky/Foley just feels more like something that would be on a PPV like NWO to me.

I still can't believe that I agree with Anglesalt and RRR 100%. I'm shocked. The only "problems", if you want to call it that, that I see are the one word replies and the responses where people go "he sucks", and refuses to explain why. To be honest, now that I've thought about it and have checked out other boards, I really don't think anything is wrong with the WWE folder now, not to the extent that these mods are making it out to be. Each board has sheep, each board has morons, each board has people who try to stay positive, each board have those who don't trust WWE (with good reason), and each board blah blah blah.

If you are putting an end to, what many call, the "fun threads", then you are banning that humor and it will tick quite a few people off. It isn't like those very few threads that pop up from time to time hurt anything at all. Oh, so now since I am sitting here trying to help, since all of you aren't even on the same page as of yet seeing how the rules aren't even decided on, I'm the one who is slowing things down by taking away your time? If you don't have time to respond to those of us who ask questions, those of us who care, then you might as well not be a mod. I haven't put down everything you have done, just these little details, that really matter a great deal. If someone doesn't point them out, then it will eventually get out of hand. All I want is for you to listen, make the rules actually solid and set them in stone, but do so in a way where you don't make the posters that are already here, feel unwelcomed any longer. That explains nothing at all. If the thread is there, people could see it and believe it. Since it's nothing more than a flat out lie and old news from years ago, why didn't you just delete it to dispose of it, to clear up the board? I'm not going to say everything that I've said before, I'm sure you read it if you care about what I have to say. But that topic...come on now. There wasn't anything in it, at all, that would even SUGGEST that it should have been closed. Sure, it wasn't talking about Eddy anymore, but the conversation (as I say), evolved into another situation, which began by comparing the two. In no way was it some sort of huge mess of "Orton hate" or "smark vs. anti-smark" bullshit. As for the quote thing, well, I wasn't aware that we even had a rule on that. Like I said, if you closed THAT thread, then you might as well just go down through the board and close every other topic, seeing how almost all of the conversations evolve from the original topic. Nothing at all wrong with that. But the issue is that we didn't even HAVE any of that stuff going on like Dam said. You ended the thread in the middle of a simple conversation, one where people were actually making good points, and not fighting. So what rules have you in place combat such as that? The thread you closed was a bunch of people actually having a smart discussion about something, not blind sheep. So what, do you want people do past a "wrestling history" test before they are allowed to post in the folder? I agree with the short posts thing, but all that needs to be done about something like that is to just tell people to not make one word replies, that isn't very hard to stop at all. It's basicly just the spam rule. What exactly is wrong with that? I don't think anyone cares about that sort of thing as long as they present what they believe with something other than "OMG WWE SUCKS IT'S GOING TO DIE, FUCK WWE~!". There is nothing at all wrong with people believing what they want though, you just need to stop the flaming. See my above reply. This is getting out of hand, it's like you guys want to limit what people believe and think when you say stuff like this. What people believe isn't the problem, you just need to stop the flaming and bull like that. I look on the bright side of things, but I back up what I believe. On the other end of things, RRR doesn't think too highly of certain things, but he also always backs up what he says. You just need to do away with the guys who do NOT do that, the guys who ONLY say what you just said, ""you're just a bitter smark", and crap like that. I see great points made by people all of time, you are making it sound like all of us who post on that board are total morons for the most part. Points will be made at times, and will not be noticed, that's how things are. Now this is insanely laughable. So you are saying that for every thousands of posts, only 5-10 of them have any substance at all? Do you even read some of the conversations that go on in there? Who exactly are the "post whores"? It's just all about doing away with the flaming, that's the key. Just by doing that one thing would be a great help. On my God, please...no. Don't tell me that a thread is started, and it's *gasp*, discussed! What is the WWE folder coming to? Who are you to determine what is "worth discussing" and what isn't? Sure, threads like "Orton SUXORSomg~!!!!" shouldn't be there, and should be deleted as soon as a mod sees it, but everything else...what's wrong with it? I just looked up and down the the WWE board and I didn't see a single topic that shouldn't be there, other than the Bret Hart topic. Would you mind pointing out topics that aren't worth discussing? Isn't that the point of this entire place? So because some idiots start flaming people, we should just stop discussions because they lead to flaming? I don't think so. Just make it known, loud and clear, that you will NOT tolerate flaming in ANY folder other than HD, and just put your foot down. I don't see why you should limit what in the world we decide to talk about though, just because certain things lead to flaming. A topic like "Benoit isn't over enough to be champion" is a valid topic of discussion, and just because some morons will flame someone else over it isn't an exucse to keep that topic off of the table. You need to focus on the idiots who do these things instead in my opinion. Well thank you for taking the time to respond to everything, I'm sure all of us appriciate it. I don't agree with most of what you said, but I do appriciate you giving your side of the issue in more depth. Why don't the mods of the WWE folder make a list of all of the posters who have a history of flaming other posters, causing trouble, and the such, and work from that? Perhaps make a post asking everyone to give names of people who do so, and write them all down. Say that you are going to start the WWE folder totally fresh, and everyone has a clean record. Then keep a special eye on everyone on your list for a while, since there are specific people that usually start the flaming wars. You can spot who the moron is instantly in any of the threads where the crap goes on, we need to deal with those people instead of coming up with a big list of brand new rules. So, even though I'm "taking away time that Sass and 'yourself' could be devoting the right way", there are my opinions on everything.

So finding alternatives to a bathtub in a home with children, and plastic buckets near children, isn't worth the lives of the children? You could very easily do something where you had strict regulations on such items, or banned them as they currently are when they are near kids. We don't do that, because it would be...fucking stupid. I don't see too much of a difference, have it be a bath of water or a gun, when used correctly, when everything is in order, when you teach your children what the deal is, it can and IS all done very safely.

I'd be for that if we didn't already know that the match is going to end with Goldberg screwing lesnar over, causing Eddy to win the title. I don't like when matches go very long, only for the ending to be some sort of overbooked screw job. I'd rather it go about 20 or so with great action, then the cheating finish. I just feel cheated when I watch an outstanding match for so long, only for the ending to be overbooked.

Tom knows lots of interesting people. Ah Tom...fair enough.

Marney, I know little of your history here, so let me ask you something. I can't remember ever seeing you post in any of the folders with a wrestling topic, so just how did someone of your status make your way to a wrestling message board? How did you find your way here?

Im sure it was...I dont think anyone here used it seriously. My point about was that I actually know people who use it in seriousness when this issue comes up. I wasn't joking at all. When more kids are killed each year by drowning in a bathtub or a freaking plastic bucket than they are by firearms, what does that say exactly? Why can't you actualy respond to what I said way back in this thread, instead of just taking it as a joke, as if I couldn't possibly be serious. It's a serious point. If more kids are killed by drowning in those two items than they are by firearms, are you for either banning tubs/buckets or putting strict regulations on them as well?

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