Downhome

I agree 100%. My entire point is that it's being done the wrong way. I could sit here and toss out endless ways using some "armchair booking" that Coach could have become a very over heel announcer. It was done in the past without hurting the talent that matters, and it could be done today if they just wanted to put their heads together for a split second and to think something up.

First of all, it was at the expense of ALL of the talent when it gets down to it. It took away time from everyone else on the roster, and that in itself is enough to piss me off. It's time to END this era of non-workers dominating TV so much, it's time to END the pratice of allowing the Pro. Wrestlers simply being used as pawns in the storylines of those involving and centering around non-workers. The Coach angle made a pawn of Christian. Say what you will about the guy, but at least he's an actual Pro. Wrestler. It made him look like a moron that he couldn't beat, yes you called it, ANOTHER ANNOUNCER in Jerry "The King" Lawler, without having Coach run in to cause the distraction. It's little things like that which should happen. Had Christian had a larger part in the storyline, then I could accept it. The fact, is that he was only involved because they needed a wrestler to actually get in there with the non-worker. They not only used a Pro. Wrestler as a PAWN, oh no. They used the f'n IC champion. Hell, it not only hurts Christian, it also makes the IC title look like shit, once again. That's just that one angle, there were other Pro. Wrestlers that were used badly because of this past RAW including Jericho and Kane. It just makes me sick to see the McMahons and the f'n ANNOUNCERS being pushed harder, and more time being spent on them, then other actual Pro. Wrestlers. If it doesn't make you sick also, then you are much to accepting of the current state of Pro. Wrestling. That means a lot coming from me, if you know my history here at all.

I want you to give me, yet again, another example. Give men an example this time of a few of the good things that could come from this, other than having a pretty cool heel announcer now. I hate to break it to you, but by having him join the Teddy Long stable is NOT worth the trouble of making the actual workers look like shit, and taking TV time from them. What in the fuck would be a reason for him to even be with Teddy? Just to stand there and be "heelish" as he goes over and makes actual wrestlers look bad? It's not worth it, period. I'm also STILL waiting on an example of that other issue that you have ignored so far. Like I said, if you can't do so, then just say so and it'll be forgotten. When someone says something stupid and says they can back it up and then refuses to do so, that pisses me off. All you have to do is back up what you say, it isn't that hard to do if you have any idea what you are talking about. *waiting*

Tell me again how this is helping a Pro. Wrestler, how this will lead to an actual WORKING being put over. Please, I'd love for you to explain that one again. Well, not so much as explain but rather, tiptoe around it as you did before. Just face it, it's just ANOTHER angle to shit on the wrestlers, in which they play pawns, ONCE AGAIN, in the overall scheme and angles of the non workers. I still want an example of how this is commonplace, I'm still waiting. Maybe they'll see that Coach is a pretty good talker and can draw some good heel heat and put him with somebody that needs it. I think that's what Johnson was getting at. How hard was it to see that? This isn't fucking rocket science DH. Are you blind, or are you just slow? The guy isn't going to be a manager, he's just an ANNOUNCER, period. They could have made it known that he was a heel now any number of ways without making talent look stupid, without using the wrestlers as pawns, and without taking up TV time which could have been used to actuall focus on the guys who matter. I like that Coach is a heel, but it should NOT be done at the expense of talent.

Tell me again how this is helping a Pro. Wrestler, how this will lead to an actual WORKING being put over. Please, I'd love for you to explain that one again. Well, not so much as explain but rather, tiptoe around it as you did before. Just face it, it's just ANOTHER angle to shit on the wrestlers, in which they play pawns, ONCE AGAIN, in the overall scheme and angles of the non workers. I still want an example of how this is commonplace, I'm still waiting.

As I predicted, the Coach bullshit (I was entertained with it,but it took up too much time and went over actual WORKERS) is doing nothing more than to put more focus on Coach. Way to go WWE, way to waste our time.

All I know is that it's where people can post their thoughts on a webpage type thing, for everyone to read. Do any of you guys have anything like this? If so, why? If not, then why not? What are your overall opinions on this trend? Sincerely, ...Downhome...

Thank you. Mods, delete this if you don't mind.

I just pre-ordered WMXIX for the GameCube, SD: HCTP for the PS2, and Simpsons: Hit and run for the PS2.

I hate that mentality. "Horrible booking hasn't killed him yet, so no reason to improve! I don't see what's so horrible here. Even though he's lost a few times here lately, only two of which even matter whatsoever, he has STILL been booked to look like an absolute monster, a threat to anyone in his path. Like I said, he isn't being hurt by anything right now.

Pinning people means next to nothing in thes little nothing matches here and there on RAW. No one will remember him not pinning some random guy. The fans WILL remember him eating Spanky and Zach for lunch. I do not feel that they should be treating him as they are at this time, but come on, it isn't going to hurt him. There is absolutely nothing to worry about concerning Brock Lesner, he's "protected". Unlike RVD, Jericho, and the lot, Brock Lesnar will be paid back for his jobs, and he'll get put over huge.

I'm ok with this, I really don't see the problem. I mean, he's been loosing CLEAN, making whoever beats him to look pretty good. Since he's turned heel he's jobbed clean, what, two times? First first time to Angle, and as I was watching it, it was like one of those "magical" moments where I was on the edge of my seat going "tap damnit, tap!". As for laying down to Taker, blah. They obviously want to make Taker look fully like a main event guy, and I mark for Taker, so I'm ok with it, so sue me. I think it's great that we're seeing a heel job cleanly to the faces, unlike a certain HHH. I look at this as a great thing, as I haven't seen/heard a single report about Brock complaining or refusing to do a job, or anything like that. I think this just shows that he is a team player, and come on... ...we all know this guy isn't going to get the Jericho/RVD/"insert wrestlers name here" treatment, as he's one of Vince's boys. There's nothing to get in a fuss about right now, nothing at all.

If you were mistaken, then just say you were wrong and that'll be that. You said that non-wrestlers have ALWAYS dominated the sport, just as they did last night. All I want is on example of were non-wrestlers dominated the sport as they do today, just one. Just one example of where the wrestlers were nothing more than pawns in the non-wrestlers storylines. It wasn't just one small angle last night where a non-wrestler was involved, oh no. It was THREE angles, each which are the most high profile on RAW at the moment, where the storyline is all about the non-wrestlers. This has never happened before, and it's fucking pathetic. Either give me an example, or admit that you are wrong, that's all. If you can't backup what you say, then please, refrain from wasting our time. No, I never said that non-wrestlers dominated anything. I don't think they dominated Monday night. You are the one who said that. Also the wrestlers weren't used as pawns. They were both furthering storylines. But I wouldn't say that I am wrong for not remembering something from 15-20 years ago. But I will admit that I don't care enough to research it. Also did Shane disregarding Jericho to chase down Kane make Jericho look like an ass? I can't stand when people wont admit that they are wrong, just like you right now. Do not say something unless you can back it up, period. You said that what happened on RAW has always happened, and that is not true at all. All I want is one example, and you can't even do that. Don't waste our time giving us a line of crap. If you don't care enough about the topic to actually know what you are talking about, then don't post. Yes, the wrestlers DID help further storylines, I agree there. The problem, is that the wrestlers were simply PAWNS in said storylines, doing nothing at all to help the actual workers of the company. Each instance I presented was obviously there for the non-wrestlers, not the other way around. That is what makes me sick, the wrestlers should NEVER play the pawn in the non-wrestlers little play time storyline, not as they did on RAW. There is no excuse about it, and this has got to change. *still waiting*

*slaps CC* Are you mad, MAD I SAY~!? What do you want, WRESTLING on a wrestling show!?

I guess the rumor saying that Taker would be main eventing soon was true afterall.

Do I need to configure anything for it to get it to do that, or is it default?

I keep getting "mailer-daemon" emails. It looks like email that I tried to send out and it's returned to me, only, I've never sent emails to any of the people it says I have. Is this the same virus?

I speak for the majority. No one I know in real life wants to see Shane, and even on the internet it seems to only be a few who do. Stop projecting buddy, you're the one in the misguided minority here, not me. You want to talk fanbase? Fine. RVD has a fanbase that'll tune in to watch him. Austin has a fanbase. Jericho has a fanbase. Kane has a fanbase. Goldberg has a fanbase. Even HHH has a fanbase... Who the hell puts on Raw to watch Shane? Johnson and iggymcfly? I still want examples Johnson. Like I said, don't talk the talk if you can't back it up.

How do you know the fans want Shane to be wrestling instead of say, RVD or any other actual worker?

While I like seeing Shane bump his ass off, he basicly makes me sick to see him on TV now. The "McMahon Effect" has totally overcome me, and I'm tired of it.

I agree with you, and I love seeing Shane on TV. I admit, I mark out for him HOWEVER. There is no excuse of putting him over talent, there is no excuse for allowing him to destroy actual workers. Shane should simply do what he does best, that being, take bumps. Shane should be a pawn in a storyline between two wrestlers, not the other way around.

As for Austin, if it was me, I wouldn't have him on TV period right now. I would have promoted his last match as his "last match ever", and allowed him to just fade away as other greats have done in the past. The Stone Cold Steve Austin character is not a GM, not a president, not a CEO, and not a manager. He kicked ass, and didn't take shit from no one. There isn't a posistion he can be in which will go along with his character. Right now, he makes the actual workers on the show look like shit when he beats them up. None of the workers can EVER get their heat back from him after he beats them up, because the guy can't take a beating anymore. Aside from all of that, the current Austin is just making his history look like shit. It hurts me to see him become what he's become. If he can't be STONE COLD, then just take him off of TV and allow me to have my memories of him as he should be rememberd. All I see right now is a broken down legend, who makes everyone look bad that he works with. A GM role is NOT something for Stone Cold.

First of all, a shows rating is more of a guide to go by to tell you what the fans thought of the last RAW or the previous night's PPV, not the show itself. Wait untill next week to see if people are interested in what happened last night. Besides that, the ratings have been a constant 3.8-4.2 for weeks now, a 4.2 rating means nothing right now, unless it keeps going up. The ratings isn't even the issue, so forget that. The fact is that WWE is allowing non-workers to dominate their RAW program, period. This is a Pro. Wrestling show, and the WRESTLERS are the ones which the time and energy should be invested in into promoting and building up. It's nothing new, but WWE is focusing on the wrong group of people. It isn't a matter of if the ratings are up and down... ...it's a matter of their treating the true heart and soul of their business of choice, like bullshit.

By the way, for all three of those bullshit storylines last night, NONE of them is leading to a bigger storyline. As for King/JR/Coach, it will just lead to Coach having a job at the booth or something. No wrestler will get anything out of this. As for the McMahon saga, well, this is just another one of their family feuds, Vince/Linda/Shane, blah blah blah, you know the story there. The Vince/Bishoff/Linda shit will not lead to anything helping to put over a worker, period. As for Kane/Shane, that's already fucked. Shane made Jericho, a WORKER, to look like a complete ass, as he was just a fucking pawn. The Kane/Shane shit also made RVD look worthless. Kane destroyed RVD the night before, and on RAW, Shane just destroyed Kane by pushing him into fire. No matter where this leads now, it's already hurt a couple of workers. Unless Kane DESTROYS Shane, this is totally worthless shit doing nothing but putting the McMahons over once again. Hell, even if Kane wins it will mean nothing. What does it prove by having a worker wrestle a non-wrestler? To me, it shows and tells me nothing at all.

If you were mistaken, then just say you were wrong and that'll be that. You said that non-wrestlers have ALWAYS dominated the sport, just as they did last night. All I want is on example of were non-wrestlers dominated the sport as they do today, just one. Just one example of where the wrestlers were nothing more than pawns in the non-wrestlers storylines. It wasn't just one small angle last night where a non-wrestler was involved, oh no. It was THREE angles, each which are the most high profile on RAW at the moment, where the storyline is all about the non-wrestlers. This has never happened before, and it's fucking pathetic. Either give me an example, or admit that you are wrong, that's all. If you can't backup what you say, then please, refrain from wasting our time.