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5 goalies better than Khabibulin? I sure as hell don't see that.

His attitude is the biggest turnoff for me as well. It's not at say Bertuzzi levels of bad, but he's got to grow up, stop taking bad penalties, stop whining in the media, stop fighting cops outside of bars, and play hard consistently.

Exactly, his play hasn't even been that bad. Also, I imagine that Thornton will eventually improve, particularly if his maturity improves. Anyone who wouldn't want Thornton on their team based on what he's done up to now is just being short-sighted. My point is that Thornton would probably get a pass on his playoff failures, because he fits the stereotype of a "playoff warrior". Which makes it doubly perplexing as to why people are annointing Heatley with such a title when he's exactly the kind of player Sens fans have been complaining they have too many of.

You haven't made one argument in support of your points. You are just repeating stereotypical talking points and making assinine comparisons. You make claims like "Hossa and Kovalchuk are just like Yashin" while providing absolutely no explanation why. The only explanation for claims like "Kovalchuk has no heart" is that you are biased against him because of his nationality. If you think Heatley is a good all-around player you simply must not watch him play very often. He's bad defensively and lazy at backchecking. He also rarely goes into the corners and doesn't take punishment in front of the net. He's a very good offensive player from the perimeter, and he's got good size but doesn't use it much. A Glen Murray or John Leclair type player. And while you keep going on about Hossa disppearing in the playoffs as a reason he sucks and should get dumped, I guess you wouldn't want Joe Thornton either then? Because he's been absolutely horrid in the playoffs, a total disappearing act.

Except for that little 41 goal season that he put up as a 22 year old. And the fact that he was almost a point a game player with little to no offensive help in 03-04. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was a very good season but it's not like he totally dominated the league or something. Consider say Kovalchuk's season last year, where he finished 1st in goals and 2nd in points at an even younger age than that, and was THN's pick as the MVP for the first half of the season. That was a more impressive performance to me. Also, while Heatley put up some points last season upon returning, he was absolutely horrid defensively and the Thrashers went in to a long losing skid right around the time he came back.

It's still closer than anything either of the other two have done. Let me guess, you are just another bitter team Canada homer who is still sour over Kovalchuk having the audacity to pump his fist scoring a winning goal against the Canadian junior team 5 years ago. I'm not even sure what this means. Show me where Heatley has "proven that he plays with heart" and Kovalchuk has "proven that he hasn't". Except that he's not, at all. He's a one-way offensive forward. His most memorable performances have come in an all-star game and in tournaments played on European-sized ice. There's plenty to be said there. I'd say there's a lot of players that are more purely talented than he is. Now who's being a smartass? I know that he was born in Germany, that doesn't make him a German. Is Alexander Steen a Canadian because he happened to be born in Winnipeg?

Translation: Heatley is Canadian, Kovalchuk and Hossa are not. Therefore Heatley is a gritty warrior with heart while Hossa and Kovalchuk are like Alexei Yashin. Funny that of the three, Heatley is the only one who has pulled a Yashin and demanded a trade. What exactly have either Kovalchuk or Heatley done to show that one doesn't have heart but the other does? Absolutely nothing, unless you care about B-level tournaments on big ice like the World Championships. Heatley has also shown little defensive ability at all. And most of Ottawa's talent was concentrated on the right side. Hossa had more to work with on the powerplay, that's for sure. But his linemates left a lot to be desired.

You completely missed the point. There's a general idea that Hossa had more talent to work with than Heatley did, which isn't really true outside of the defense. Their regular linemates over the past few years bear that out. I don't see Hossa's production dropping at all with guys like Kovalchuk, Savard, Kozlov, and Holik, especially since he will be counted on for a bigger role and will probably get more minutes.

I would say Heatley's linemates (Marc Savard and Slava Kozlov) are quite superior to the guys Hossa was playing with (Vaclav Varada and Radek Bonk).

You guys obviously don't watch any hockey if you think Heatley is a tough gritty player while Hossa is a soft floater. Something tells me that if you flipped the nationalities around your opinions would reverse pretty quickly as well. I'm sure next you will be telling me how Heatley is better than Kovalchuk, which is just as laughable.

do you even watch hockey? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I do. Dany Heatley is a one-dimensional offensive player. Hossa is much better defensively and uses his size more effectively. Their offensive numbers are similar. Way too many people make Heatley out to be something he isn't, in fact he's arguably the most overrated player in the NHL, in terms of "all-around play".

Hossa is a better player than Heatley, with a better defensive and physical game. The only reason this makes sense for Ottawa is to save money. Atlanta improves bigtime with this deal by getting a forward with no injury concerns who should pair well with Heatley, and a defenseman who immediately becomes one of their top guys.

Repeatedly. ESPN could realize their goal of not showing live sports at all, and just have "experts" talking about sports 24/7. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean yelling about sports 24/7, right?

Nothing would make me happier than to see Comcast totally stick it up ESPN's ass.

I for one am getting tired of the revisionist history with regards to Montreal, where HHH keeps getting assigned a larger and larger role because he's the trendy person to hate on right now.

Heyman being there is a joke especially given that Bischoff wasn't even close to being inducted when he was on the ballot.

Modest Mouse What the fuck do people see in that garbage?

ESPN declined to match Comcast's offer for NHL TV coverage. So Comcast gets their first major sports league TV deal to re-launch OLN as their new Comcast sports network.

So help me if I see another frat boy wearing a pink pinstriped shirt with a popped collar and frosted hair...

The first one looks like a gas station logo. The second is more interesting, and the trend with sports logos lately is multi-layered, textured designs.

I would love to see a creation argument between a creationist and a scientologist. Maybe one of these religious right fundies could debate Tom Cruise on a TV talk show.

The Heisman Trophy should have nothing to do with your NFL career or if you have an NFL career. It should have to do with your accomplishments in college. Period. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. I'm really sick of people thinking the Heisman is supposed to be "best NFL player in the NCAA". It's "best NCAA player in the NCAA".

What's unfortunate now is that since Woods made the cut, we are going to have to endure endless comments like "well if he shoots 62 or 61 he's right back in it!". I hope Mickelson goes out tomorrow and posts a sub-66 number to end any speculation of Woods being i it on Sunday.

You have to love how Woods hits the ball in the water and the announcers are going on about how great a shot it was!

The reason the "debate" has raged so long is because one side is unwilling to acknowledge the validity of proven facts. The creationist argument (God created human life instaneously and the world is less than 10,000 year old) has zero hard info to back it up. The creationists are so devoid of anything rational to contribute to the conversation that I'm hessitant to call it a debate. Its more like one side trying to show where the provable facts lead them, and the other side sticking there fingers in their ears while shouting "God is on my side!" over and over again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you about the whole one side being stupid about it, but really, I want both sides to get a better idea because this old debate is really quite boring and really going in one LONG circle of nowhereness. And if you don't have an answer now, what makes you think another 100 years of screaming at each other back and forth will change anything? Really, get a new view on the whole thing...spacecows...... Of course it will never end because faith takes no real proof and people will cling to that long before science because science is not as happy a place as faith is. If evolution is correct, why are most people retarded when it comes to which side is right? Shouldn't those people have been weeded out by now? Or maybe evolution is wrong... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There ARE valid debates going on with regards to evolution. It just happens to be that they are between neo-Darwinists and Stephen J. Gould's disciples, and the issue is gradualism vs. punctuated equilibrium. Creationists don't "debate" with evolutionists, because they don't bring any scientific material or credentials with them.