Sandman9000

If Torre reounds with another team and wins a few more times, it won't. If Torre can't do that, his talent will be credited to Steinbrenner's money, and his legacy as a manager will be tarnished.

Thank you for your completly meaningless post in the wrong thread. Go back to the WWE folder and post your meaningless and worthless drivel there, fool.

If I'm going to go down, I'm going to go down kicking and screaming and fighting to the bitter end, not with a "ho hum" shrug and with my worst effort/pitcher out there. And yeah, there always is someone out there who is hungier then you and is willing to work when you aren't. It's your job to make sure that you become even hungrier and work even harder to make sure that you are better then them. 72-90 seasons may be coming. I'll consider those failures as well. When the Yanks win another title, I'll consider them winners. It sucks in the moment to lose, it sucks after the moment, it sucks two weeks from now, four months from now, it sucks until you win. Then and only then does it stop sucking, and even after you wish you hadn't lost in the first place. Cry because you lost, then get up the next way and work your ass off to prevent it from ever happening again. I've never been accused of being anywhere close to chemically balanced. Or a good loser. 26 rings are good, but it's knowing that you could have had more that puts a little damper onto them.

So, basically what you're saying is that there's only one standard for success? Exactly. Being better then anyone and everyone else in your given field. In a nutshell, winning.

You make it sound like the Yankees walked off the field in the middle of the game, and never came back. They played like they had.

I don't understand how society has come to the point where people are raised to believe that if you aren't the undisputed king of the hill, and Lord and Master of all you survey, then you're a failure in life. Everybody can't be on top; there's not enough room. Someone has to lose, I'd just rather do everything within my power to ensure that that someone isn't me. And refuse to give up until I'm no longer that loser.

If you have the potential to succeed and instead decide to give up, then being a quitter does mean being a failure. The only time quitting is acceptable is if there is no humanly possible way to achieve your goal/s. None whatsoever. And even then a person should try first.

What about Scottie Pippen, then? The man who rode Jordan's coattails to six rings, and the person who gave up on his team with 1.7 seconds left in the playoffs. That's how Scottie Pippen will be remembered.

He's not going to be remembered as a loser though, will he? Winning kinda does change your perception in people's minds. And if he was a good loser, he wouldn't have had the fire and drive to come back and succeed. Losing gracefully on the outside doesn't make you a good loser on the inside. Well, by that standard, the Yankees shouldn't be considered losers, either. He won going out. He went out on top. It's another reason as to why John Elway is put up onto a higher pedistal; because he went out a winner. Jordan tarnished his legacy by coming back and playing two years on a non-championship team. His legacy has gone from Ultimate Winner to Person Who Never Learned To Quit. Though, to his credit, he never did quit. I don't know what I'd rather be: a failure or a quitter. Though a quitter is always a failure, but a failure isn't always a quitter.

You have a very narrow definition of "drought." With the exception of the Marlins, Spurs, Bucs, and Devils, every major professional team in America and part of Canada is in a drought.

He's not going to be remembered as a loser though, will he? Winning kinda does change your perception in people's minds. And if he was a good loser, he wouldn't have had the fire and drive to come back and succeed. Losing gracefully on the outside doesn't make you a good loser on the inside.

Griffey for any person who isn't made out of fine china is a steal for Cincy.

It's helping me blow off steam. It's either that or walk around until someone makes a snide remark and I take it out on them. Again, show me a good loser and I'll show you someone who will never win anything in their life. As for my method of beliefs, combine that with a complete lack of self confidence and a pessimistic outlook on life, as well as anger problems, and I'm more or less guaranteed to be dead before I'm 30. So, it'll be a miserable and short life.

Goddamn, what the fuck is with some of you people? Has it now become acceptable to fail? That not doing your best is now okay? I must have missed the memo when failure became acceptable. Second best is still a loser. They're just as bad as the team that finishes in dead last, if not even worse, since the last place team never got a chance to blow it. I never realized that it is now okay to sit around and know that there is someone better then you out there, and you do nothing to make it so that you become the better one. I'm not just saying this because I'm a Yanks fan. Every grade that isn't a 100, I feel like a failure. Every question wrong on a quiz or a test, I feel like a failure. I look at my GPA and midterm grades, and I feel like slitting my writs. Because with grades like that, I deserve to be called a failure. Every time I see someone else do better then me, it eats me alive inside. Because it means that person is better then me, that person owns me, and I can't do anything about it until I do better then them. I demand success of myself, and I find that it is absolute BULLSHIT that other people are satisfied with losing.

St. Louis is intriguing...I could see Walt Jockety going after him I just see Pettitte in a Cardinals cap next year then any other cap. Even a Yankee cap.

Until he rips your heart out when it matters the most.

The following people we can more or less confirm as being gone: Torre and Cashman are fired. Zimmer and Stottlemeyer quit. Clemens retires. Andy Pettitte doesn't resign. Epstein offers him the goddamn moon, but he signed somewhere closer to home. Rangers either break the bank for him, but I'm thinking either Houston or St. Louis. David Wells isn't resigned. Jeff Weaver is shipped off due to his inability to not be a fucking failure. He doesn't pitch in 2004 because of his untimely death at my hands. Aaron Boone is given a handshake for eliminating the Red Sox, then shipped off somewhere for someone who doesn't fail as soon as they put on the pinstripes.

How's this for fun: Since the millenium has turned, anything I've offered support for has lost. I guess I should change my avatar back to failure. Not just for the sports stuff, but for a billion other reasons. You know we're gonna get the "you should be happy they made it this far": speech, right? No. With the public goal of the Yanks being World Series champs or bust, plus the posts we've made since the finale of the failure, I doubt anyone's going to lay that upon us.

No one is letting the entire team off the hook. All of them, even Mariano Rivera, are failure. However, certain people, such as Weaver, Soriano, Jeter, Giambi, and Boone, among others, are bigger failures then others. The whole team failed. It was a complete team failure. Just that some people are bigger parts of that failure then others.

How's this for fun: Since the millenium has turned, anything I've offered support for has lost. I guess I should change my avatar back to failure. Not just for the sports stuff, but for a billion other reasons.

Well unless the definition of clutch got changed when i wasn't fucking looking, it means to come through when it matters the most. Game 6 mattered the most. Jeter didn't come through. Through that simple equation, it means that Jeter was not clutch, especially not during this series. As for the spoiled brats comments, I'll say it again: Show me a good loser and I'll show you a person who will never win a fucking thing in their goddamn life.

The Yanks knew they were playing with fire when they resigned Wells. It finally came back and burned them in Game 5. If Jeter is so goddamn clutch, then why is he 0-4 and botching shit in the field when the Yanks were facing elimination? Rivera's a part of this loss as well, just a lesser part. Of course, a lesser loser is still a loser.

While we're at it, take the title of Mr. October the FUCK away from Jeter. 0-4 when it counted, Game 6. World Series, 1HR, 2RBI. .360 batting average doesn't mean shit if the rest of the team can't do shit either. And the only Yank error in Game 6. He doesn't deserve that title.

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a person who will never win anything in their goddamn life.

Hey Kahran, wanna change my name to Jeff Weaver Sucks And Must Die?