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Say WHAT? I don't think the idea of further American imperialism and war tendencies would go over well with the general public. You seem to miss the psychology of the neocons: they do not give a shit what the public thinks about them Yes, but there's certain measure they'll take as disguise their hidden agenda. In the public context, I can't fathom the existance of putting up such a site though

Give this man a prize.

"Listen, carefully now, this isn't very hard. Go to the site in question. Read over their mission, some of the articles and whatnot, then get back to me. It clearly isn't your run of the mill conservative group drinking coffee and sharing cookies." Well, I guess I stand corrected. BWA HA HA HA! -=Mike Umm, i think your missing the point. I wasn't implying to snuffbox that it was a conspiracy. I just told him to read it is all.

Say WHAT? I don't think the idea of further American imperialism and war tendencies would go over well with the general public.

*slams head on table* Listen, carefully now, this isn't very hard. Go to the site in question. Read over their mission, some of the articles and whatnot, then get back to me. It clearly isn't your run of the mill conservative group drinking coffee and sharing cookies. http://www.newamericancentury.org/ And you claimed you were proclaiming a conspiracy theory. You, dear sir, are not truthful. -=Mike ...Nor rational, intelligent, or witty --- but piling on is superfluous... Look, I know you like using your new favourite words , but there's a time and place. I didn't claim there was a conspiracy. I directed everyone to the PNAC's site. There's no need for conspiracy claims when everything is so blunt.

*slams head on table* Listen, carefully now, this isn't very hard. Go to the site in question. Read over their mission, some of the articles and whatnot, then get back to me. It clearly isn't your run of the mill conservative group drinking coffee and sharing cookies. http://www.newamericancentury.org/

The only thing putting me in a heavy sweat is fear of your crushing grasp of inane conspiracy theories. Honestly. -=Mike What we've learned from Mike today: No matter how convincing or accurate a source may be, if it dosen't agree with him, it's a conspiracy theory. Thanks Mike! May your new buzzwords run rampant on this board. What exactly is the source here? He listed the members of PNAC, their backgrounds, and their official statements. Everyone knows this stuff, in fact, the members are proud of it. The conspiracy theory stuff is just baseless fear-mongering. It's essentially a blue print for further war mongering and imperialistic tendencies. But hey, if you think war and hegemony are cool , then by no means is there anything wrong with that.

Your consistent use of the same rhetoric and lack of argument help to further your gimmick. It dosen't take a genius to see through your faux-pas sense of a rational poster. But keep it up Mike, your reign as the be all and know all of the CE folder must give you some sense of closure.

The only thing putting me in a heavy sweat is fear of your crushing grasp of inane conspiracy theories. Honestly. -=Mike What we've learned from Mike today: No matter how convincing or accurate a source may be, if it dosen't agree with him, it's a conspiracy theory. Thanks Mike! May your new buzzwords run rampant on this board.

Oh, Mike. I love your spin doctoring. Now we're having a contest over originality. Hmm, I don't think I claimed to be the innovator of such netiquette. But hey, maybe a mod changed the part where I said that. Another conspiracy, oh my! You know, I might have been threatened over your ignorance jab, but I don't think a walking conservative parody such as yourself really has the right. Seriously, stop the tongue lashing. I cannot handle the vicious, brutal rhetoric you've unleashed upon me. I'm actually typing this from UNDER my computer desk, out of fear of a FURTHER intellectual mauling. I beseech thee. Truly, you are a giant. Truly. I am TOTALLY serious here. Honestly. But, hey, don't worry --- your ignorance is part of your charm. You're like a slightly more deranged INXS --- or a slightly less neo-Nazi Kamui. -=Mike Good, now walk away with your tail between your legs like the last time you chose to ignore one of my points. And I don't even know who Kamui is, so yeah, whatever. Score one for Mike I guess.

irrelevant? Well that is your opinion. bullshit? That is one thing it certainly isn't. Fear over PNAC is the single most moronic thing you can feel. But, it is your decision to feel it. -=Mike once again, no one is FEARING it, just simply stating that PNAC is in effect, the Iraq War was a major step in accomplishing it, and people aware of it, were talking about it as soon as Bush was elected, as well as how we would end up in another middle eastern conflict, wasn't too hard to figure out. And hold on to that conspiracy theory. I'd be too humiliated to admit giving the conspiracy any serious consideration, but hey, you go where few others are willing to tread. -=Mike What conspiracy theory? Who's making things up? All you need to do is take a look at PNAC's website. It's all there! They outline they're intentions! Everything, pre-meditated as if it were Mein Kempf (uh oh! relax folks, just a comparison in it's style of doctrine). It's either your selective reading, or the fact you read certain material peaking through your hands admist a heavy sweat.

Oh, Mike. I love your spin doctoring. Now we're having a contest over originality. Hmm, I don't think I claimed to be the innovator of such netiquette. But hey, maybe a mod changed the part where I said that. Another conspiracy, oh my! You know, I might have been threatened over your ignorance jab, but I don't think a walking conservative parody such as yourself really has the right.

Edited for accuracy Ignorance is bliss.

*shakes head* Oi vey.

I can see where your coming from, to anyone who reads the first paragraph or watches the video would see it as ludicrous. However i'd like to point out: 1. This isn't just a group of regular neo-cons. As outlined in the first post, all of the members of PNAC are among the upper echelon of the White House and State Departments. 2. It does indeed have to do with the Bush Admnistration. Heck, many of it's members are part of it. Notwithstanding the fact Jeb Bush is part of the group, but they also personally sent messages to Bush and advocated his decisions while pushing for his post 9/11 foriegn policy actions. It only took a day after 9/11 for Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to pitch the idea of going after Saddam. 3. The findings in the site are not very subtle. They explicitly endorse on waging war and bestoying American values on other nations. These aren't theories. They're all on the ACTUAL site. It's not a conspiracy site, there's no reading between the lines, it's a legitimate group of the aforementioned members. http://gvtc.com/~mpingo/pnac.html

Hmmm, standard routine here at the old CE folder. As predicted when something remotely questionable it's the knee jerk reaction: "OH NO, HE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT AMERICA/BUSH~!". So far we've seen: - Personal attacks, check. - Conspiracy claims even when the information is presented, check. - Essentially ignoring the issue, check. Now granted, the whole universal vote thread may have been a tad to colorful for this forum, at least most of the responses were rational (even if the context of the article was a tad skewed, but i can see why it would have been interpreted that way). This thread is the standard same old, but a tad more immature. Kudos.

By that i gather: worst = opposing the uniform mind set of this folder. You don't have to spell it out.

The underlying threat that is oh so prothetically coming to fruition. Well, it's just the Wilsonian Democracy theory. Frankly, I can understand why it's no-sold: It's completely conspiratorial. Where did the orignal quote come from? From the video. And the picture, believe me, I wish this were some ridiculous farce/conspiracy theory. *sigh*

The underlying threat that is oh so prothetically coming to fruition.

Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. But I can't say im surprised of the no-selling. And at least there's the cool video, even if the content will fall on deaf ears.

Of course, these e-mails were directed to Michael Moore and will be featured in his new book Will They Ever Trust Us Again? So, who wants to be first to tell these soldiers that their wrong or unpatriotic?

Very accurate.

Man, reading comprehension really isn't your thing is it? If you read the letters you would know that the soldiers aren't merely angered over the concept of war in itself, but the conditions they were sent to war, one that was unjust and immoral. Yeeesh.