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OK Sylvain Grenier......................... Well, we have. The USA has done a lot of bad shit in its time; how about the glorified land grab known as the Mexican War? If you think that America has always treated the rest of the world with decency and respect, then go tell that opinion to the millions of indians who populate the country... oops, all dead. Exactly, it's something that has to be recognized especially in the current political framework and foreign policy issues. I'm not saying this is true of all Americans, but many are so blindly patriotic and conditioned to take whatever their country does to be justifiable. On the other side of the spectrum, you have those that are so outraged but Bush's foreign policy issues (in addition to the domestic economic, environment and social issues). Bush seemingly turned all the sympathy from other nations after 9/11 and within months and turned reverted it back to more hatred and public outcry due to turning the tragedy and twisting it in favor of his own personal agenda. Lies, misinformation, misinformation breeding more lies, whatever you want to call it, it's undeniable that many of the issues surrounding the reasons to go to war and the rationale behind it were not simply 'made up' for the sake of attacking the president, and people need to stop living in such denial. The war has done nothing for the people of Iraq except insert a puppet regieme that will not be able to sustain government , simply because countries like Iraq and Afghanistan will never be democratic nations. There is too much conflicting idelogies within these nations that will not allow this to happen. Iraq is basically made up of different groups that were placed during the early French and British colonies, same with Afghanistan, so they'll basically vote upon different tribes amonst themselves. So in hindsight, thousands of innocent Iraqi, Afghani, and American soliders died in vain for the excuses of the Bush administrations rationale for the war. Knowing the prior history makes Bush's recent statement to the UN all the more appaling and yet another. He was quoted as saying: "We know that oppressive governments support terror while free governments fight the terrorists in their midst". This is very hypocrtical, in the sense that the US government has, and will continue to aid state terrorists that fit their own political agenda. These atrocities are the major ones in a group of MANY others that give reason for Bush to be removed in the upcoming election. Getting back to the other point of this thread, many (remember, i didn't say "all") voting for Bush are buying into the propoganda for whatever reason, whether it be out of the "my country right or wrong" philosophy or the feel need to vote in a Republican right or wrong. Of course the former can also be attributed to inticing a high level of fear within a nation. Hey, Cheney himself basically said that a vote for Kerry is basically inviting another terrorist attack, so he must be right. The exploitation of fear is a very strong means of coaxing people into buying into your agenda.

Upon one listen, I found the new album a lot better than expected. If your not a fun of the first single, don't let that deter you from checking it out, it's anything but generic pop-punk fluff. It's much more mature sounding than they're previous recordings and even has a couple of uncharacteristic 9 minute + tracks (although one is basically a few different songs in one). Still good stuff though

Dosen't make Bush's excuse any more reasonable. The United States has been historically notorious for such imperialisation and exploitation.

picked up some shoes, a cheesburger and an AK....47 that is Gun Laws the hypocrisy of the US is laughable. Campaign contributions -- Gun rights groups, led by the National Rifle Association, have given more than $17 million in individual, PAC and soft money contributions to federal candidates and party committees since 1989, far more than the nearly $1.7 million contributed by gun control groups. Gun rights groups have sent 85 percent of their contributions to Republicans during that time, while gun control groups have supported Democrats with 94 percent of their contributions. *Lobbying -- Gun rights groups are even more dominant in lobbying expenditures than they are in campaign contributions. The NRA alone spent nearly $11 million on lobbying from 1997 to 2003. But it wasn't the gun rights lobby's biggest spender. That was Gun Owners of America, which spent more than $18 million on lobbing over the same period. By contrast, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence spent under $2 million on lobbying from 1997 to 2003, and the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence spent $580,000. *Independent expenditures and communications costs -- Gun rights groups have spent far more than gun control advocates on independent expenditures, which are aimed at the general public and expressly advocate the election or defeat of a candidate, and communications costs to their members about candidates. (Independent expenditures must be paid for with limited "hard" money contributions, while groups can spend unlimited funds on internal communications costs.) Link As they say, money talks

I'm not debating that. Of course the arms industry is protected by such constitutional regulations, for that same reason it escapes persecution since it coincides with the notion of civil liberty. One of which is a gross flaw in the system, but hey, c'est la vie. Clearly you missed the point brought up in this thread in regards to the non-renewal of the assault weapons ban. Thats what i meant by restrictions, keeping the likes of AK-47's and Uzi's off the market, not what you can or can do with said arms. Thats such BS. Handguns are still legal are they not? The need for having a weapon that fires off 600 rounds a minute is ridiculous. I'm sure even in the worst of places you can walk the streets without being surrounded by the mafia. Whatever happened to the mindset that some things are just too dangerous to be produced and made readily available to the public? People with guns do kill people, adding more ammo to the collective fire kills more. Be sure not to confuse "Many" with "Majority". It's all relative. The second amendment gives the right to bear arms to Americans, yet the men who drafted the document lived in a world far different from our own. A world where defending themselves from a corrupt government and against native americans necessitaed gun ownership. In another sense, the ordinary citizen taking place of the military, in addition to hunting for food. Such trivial nature does not exist in 2004, for there are supermarkets for food, police and military for protection and Indians to meet one's gambling fix. There are no use for guns, even in the most extreme situations where handguns may be deemed neccesary (not that i agree, but i;ll say this for arguments sake) this still does not facilitate the need for various assault rifles outlined in the recent ban that was lifted. It's really ironic that a country that is so worried about terrorism is not worried about mass amounts of people that are now able to down their homes with a wide varity of automatic rifles. Those who feel the need to arm themselves clearly lives in a society created by fear, stemming from such violence caused by gun use in the first place. Owning weapons isn't something that is needed in today's society, plain and simple. No need for logic though, the constution will help protect everyone and bring "equality". That said, let civil insecurity roam.

Who would honestly boo Sting? The guy was not a good heel, and when he was in 99, he was too damn funny to not like. Eh? Sting turned heel? How did that come about?

Definetly not, but those living in a civilized country shouldn't need to. Certainly you cannot deny that having restrictions on these types of arms would result in a safer society and relinquish some fear (as if the public dosen't have enough reason to be swayed into thinking so). Who in God's name thinks it's perfectly reasonable to carry a Uzi of all things. Constitution this and that, 70% of Americans support the law that helped to keep such weapons away. Uh huh, and that includes the right to invade those who may pose a threat in terms of arms? (which was an excuse in the first place in terms of Iraq) while the US is allowed to posses whatever they wish, cause you know they're the police and everything. Which leads to... Sure, free hundreds of thousands while knowingly helping to aid foreign governments or rebels to oppress and slaughter thousands at the same time. Even if it means bringing down democratically elected regimes, the exact principals the US claims to stand by. But the good intentions are so it's ok then right? But that's just opening up a whole different argument all together.

The need for such firearms is ridiculous firstly, coming from a country that scrutinizes those deemed overly militaristic before invading them. Maybe irony would have been a better choice of words, either way both apply to foreign and domestic policy.

This Ann Coulter?: "God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's Yours" "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically initimidate Liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors!" "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christainity!" (on 9/11 terrorists) Well, i can see the interesting part, as interesting as seeing someone spew forth non-sensical jibberish can get i guess

Actually, it was "Here is a man that says the United States has spread misery throughout the world....Come on." Well gee, i'm certainly convinced now...

And the Americans are out. Can't believe i had to look at the second page of the forum to find this thread.

Where did you hear that? If that's true it seriously kills a lot multiplayer replay value. My friends and i have been waiting for this option to return since SD1...

Yikes. Didn't mean it had to come. Anyways, here's Moore's explanation from his website: Monday, September 6th, 2004 Why I Will Not Seek a Best Documentary Oscar (I'm giving it up in the hopes more voters can see "Fahrenheit 9/11") 9/6/04 Dear Friends, I had dinner recently with a well-known pollster who had often worked for Republicans. He told me that when he went to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" he got so distraught he twice had to go out in the lobby and pace during the movie. "The Bush White House left open a huge void when it came to explaining the war to the American people," he told me. "And your film has filled that void -- and now there is no way to defeat it. It is the atomic bomb of this campaign." He told me how he had conducted an informal poll with "Fahrenheit 9/11" audiences in three different cities and the results were all the same. "Essentially, 80% of the people going IN to see your movie are already likely Kerry voters and the movie has galvanized them in a way you rarely see Democrats galvanized. "But, here's the bad news for Bush: Though 80% going IN to your movie are Kerry voters, 100% of those COMING OUT of your movie are Kerry voters. You can't come out of this movie and say, 'I am absolutely and enthusiastically voting for George W. Bush.'" His findings are similar to those in other polls conducted around the country. In Pennsylvania, a Keystone poll showed that 4% of Kerry's support has come from people who decided to vote for him AFTER seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" -- and in an election that will be very close, 4% is a landslide. A Harris poll found that 44% of Republicans who see the film give it a “positive” rating. Another poll, to be released this week, shows a 21-point shift in Bush's approval rating, after just one viewing of the movie, among audiences of undecideds who were shown "Fahrenheit 9/11" in Ohio. My pollster friend told me that he believes if Kerry wins, "Fahrenheit 9/11" will be one of the top three reasons for his election. Kerry's only problem, he said, is how many people will actually be able to see it before election day. The less that see it, the better for Bush. But 20 million people have already seen it -- and the Gallup poll said that 56% of the American public has seen or plans to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" either in the theater or on home video. The DVD and home video of our film, thanks to our distributors listening to our pleas to release it before November, will be in the stores on October 5. This is very good news. But can it also be shown on TV? I brought this possibility up in this week's Rolling Stone interview. Our contract with our DVD distributor says no, it cannot. I have asked them to show it just once, perhaps the night before the election. So far, no deal. But I haven't given up trying. The only problem with my desire to get this movie in front of as many Americans as possible is that, should it air on TV, I will NOT be eligible to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for Academy Award consideration for Best Documentary. Academy rules forbid the airing of a documentary on television within nine months of its theatrical release (fiction films do not have the same restriction). Although I have no assurance from our home video distributor that they would allow a one-time television broadcast -- and the chances are they probably won't -- I have decided it is more important to take that risk and hope against hope that I can persuade someone to put it on TV, even if it's the night before the election. Therefore, I have decided not to submit "Fahrenheit 9/11" for consideration for the Best Documentary Oscar. If there is even the remotest of chances that I can get this film seen by a few million more Americans before election day, then that is more important to me than winning another documentary Oscar. I have already won a Best Documentary statue. Having a second one would be nice, but not as nice as getting this country back in the hands of the majority. The deadline to submit the film for the documentary Oscar was last Wednesday. I told my crew who worked on the film, let's let someone else have that Oscar. We have already helped to ignite the biggest year ever for nonfiction films. Last week, 1 out of every 5 films playing in movie theaters across America was a documentary! That is simply unheard of. There have been so many great nonfiction films this year, why not step aside and share what we have with someone else? Remove the 800-pound gorilla from that Oscar category and let the five films who get nominated have all the attention they deserve (instead of the focus being on a film that has already had more than its share of attention). I've read a lot about "Fahrenheit" being a "sure bet" for the documentary Oscar this year. I don't believe anything is truly a "sure bet." And, in the end, I think sometimes it's good for your soul to give up something everyone says is so easily yours (ask Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps why he gave up his spot in the last race to someone else equally deserving, and you'll know what I am talking about). I have informed our distributors of my decision. They support me (in fact, they then offered to submit our film for all the other categories it is eligible for, including Best Picture -- so, hey, who knows, maybe I'll get to complete that Oscar speech from 2003! Sorry, just kidding). Don't get your hopes up for seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" on TV before the election. In fact, I would count on NOT seeing it there (you know me, I'm always going after something I probably shouldn't). Get to the theaters soon, if you haven't already, or get it from the video store in October and hold house parties. Share it with everyone you know, especially your nonvoting friends. I have included 100 minutes of extras on the DVD -- powerful footage obtained after we made the movie, and some things that are going to drive Karl Rove into a permanent tailspin -- more on this later! Thanks for all of your support. And go see "Super Size Me," "Control Room," "The Corporation," "Orwell Rolls Over in His Grave," "Bush's Brain," Robert Greenwald's films and the upcoming "Yes Men." You won't be sorry! Yours, Michael Moore [email protected]

I can never find any Leaf figures at the stores

I'm sure many people here are neither Bush or Kerry supporters but have keen interest in the election. An unfortunate scenario during this two party system. I'm sure many here also feel the sentiments that Bush is the far lesser of two evils, so those who want this clown out of office aren't necessarily pro-Kerry either.

Why is it that all the ESPN games are cheaper?

So Michael Moore referred to Iraq as an "oasis of peace" before the war? Republican spin doctoring and shameless tugging on American heart strings at it's finest.

1) The WWE product is better now than it was one year ago. T 2) The WWE product is better now than it was three years ago. F 3) The WWE product is better now than it is five years ago. T 4) I believe the in-ring product has improved in the last three years. F 5) I believe the storylines/feuds/angles have improved in the last three years.F 6) I wish WCW and ECW were still in existence. T 7) The WWE will have no real competition in the next five years. T 8) It was smart for the WWE to go to a "less is more" in ring style. F 9) I believe the RAW brand is superior to Smackdown. T 10) If I could convince Vince Macmahon to push one guy on either roster to the moon, it would be:RVD

In addition to the rebuttals made in this thread: GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: I attacked and took over two countries. I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury. I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 2-month period. I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. I set the all-time record for the most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other president in US history. I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. I cut health care benefits for war veterans. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to imultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her). I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the world community. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board. I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. I am the first US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than by their immediate neighbor, North Korea. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I set the all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. In a little over two years I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the civil war. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available). I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. For personal references, please speak to my dad or uncle James Baker (They can be reached in their offices at the Carlyle Group where they are helping to divide up the spoils of the US-Iraq war and plan for the ext one.) source

I think it's Saliva's "Survival of the Sickest". Can't get enough of Saliva ya know

"an estimated 4,000 children die every day from illnesses caused by their lack of safe water and sanitation." Link 3000 people died in the WTC attacks. 4000 children die every day because we can't get them clean water. I'm still waiting for the war on poverty (as opposed to the U.S. government's war on those who are in poverty).

It's a matter of priroties. The US spends more on the military than any other country on Earth by far. The monthly cost of the US occupation of Iraq would be more than enough cash to save those 4,000 children. Not to mention the fact that within the States you have a rise in poverty that needs to be looked at, as well as the crises in Dafur. When the most influential county in the world focuses more on the military that actually intices more terrorism over basic human rights, somethings wrong.

11 = November

This site has hundreds of video game ads from North America, Japan and Europe. Ahhh, memories: Nostalgia trip

When they introduced the new IC title in '99 i thought i would get used to it. It's five years later and i still hate it. The others i don't mind.