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    Followers of Canadian politics, what are the chances you're going to dissolve into two parties like the US anytime soon? Not counting Green (not enough of a threat) and BQ (only run in one province)? Because it seems like Harper has dominated by moving so many parties together. What are the chances that NDP and Liberal merge in the next 5 years?

     

    We'd sooner have Proportional Representation than any of the left parties merging. Though the former isn't likely in the foreseeable future, unfortunately.

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    If you have a whole community drinking and getting into car crashes, then you're still drinking and crashing with the community. I don't really see the connection between drinking with a community and causing less harm to yourself and the people around you.

     

    Communities get together and get drunk all the time. Doesn't mean its going to result in more car crashes if you lower the drinking age. Surely you can see that kids sneaking booze into the woods would be more dangerous if didn't have the sort of restrictions that prohibits their access.

     

    There is totally a legitimate reason to assume that allowing kids to drink would increase in drinking. That's just how it works! I can't really break it down more simply that than. It will happen. If it's legal, people will do it because the stigma of having it be illegal in the first place has been removed. Quid pro quo.

     

    Again, the burden of proof is on you to prove that. Because all evidence from other countries says this isn't the case. "It will happen" isn't a convincing argument and kids still access alcohol anyway.

     

    Sure, a person should have a right to control their own body, but drugs are illegal for a reason, and I don't even think you can disagree with me on this one. They're dangerous to a lot of people, period.

     

    This is a contradictory statement. You can't say people should have the right to control their own body if we're going put restrictions on it. Criminalizing something that there is a large market for does not work, period. Sure, many drugs are dangerous, which is why harm reduction and education are essential. And really, combating drugs has little to do with stopping the flow of drugs, but more to do with controlling inner-city populations.

     

    "Harm reduction and education" is also pretty ineffective.

     

    Tell that to the countries in Europe, Australia and in Vancouver that have effective drug rehabilitation programs, including safe injection sites for drug addicts.

     

    Kids want to be social drunks, that's just what it is. I'm 17. I've been to all the high school parties, that's just what it's all about.

     

    And this is the case for many adults too.

     

    That website didn't provide any convincing arguments, just more reason for increasing enforcement. It promotes nothing more than a police state and works on the assumption that kids need to be controlled.

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    Ok, but either way they'll end up drinking regardless of an age limit.

     

    Present some data on that and I'll believe it. The burden of proof is on you, dude. Because there's no way I can wrap my mind around that. You can rhetorically and hypothetically back that up to hell's end, but that doesn't make it any more true in real life.

     

    A person is more likely to use something if they're taught how to use it properly. There's nothing hypothetical here. Granted, there are many bad parents that drink a lot and their kids internalize these values. That's a different problem entirely and one that can be addressed by allowing minors to live where they want, free from oppressive violence that is customary among thse sorts of households. These situations are unfortunate, but prohibiting their access to access doesn't solve the problem. Again, if they're drinking with the community, they're less likely to cause harm to themselves and others

     

    And actually, the burden of proof is on you since the topic in question is whether we should lower the drinking age, but all of the arguments here defending the status quo are all hypothetical. There's not even any reason to believe that letting kids drink would result in an increase in drinking, since for the most part kids who want to drink can and do get alcohol. Harm reduction and education, it not at home then at school, simply makes more sense. And all these stories about minors hurting themselves with alcohol...you know adults do that all the time as well, right? I think we need to have a rational attitude towards drug use starting from the assumption that a person should have the right to control their own body and drug use.

     

    As for minors being stupid or spoiled, I think that's pretty blatant anti-youth prejudice. It's common to denegrate young people and youth culture.

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    Oh come off it Black, rape and binge drinking are two different things. At least the reasons behind them are different, one does lead to the other.

     

    Says the guy that compared learning how to abuse alcohol to learning how to drive a car?

     

    Not sure what Eric said originally but learning to drive is an appropriate comparison. People don't get licenses unless they've been taught how to drive. If kids are taught to drink responsibly then they're less likely to abuse alcohol.

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    I kind of see where C-Bacon is coming from, but I can't get behind his everything-for-everyone policy. Maybe I'd be okay with 16-year-olds going down to their local gas station or corner store to buy some beer if I knew the concept of drinking in moderation had been instilled in them, but it all comes back to our culture being so irreparably broken that there's nothing we can do to fix it but keep the status quo and hope for the best, which is unfortunate. My sister's friends' respective moms thought they were being progressive by allowing their daughters to drink at home (and playing bartender when friends were over; I find this not the least bit creepy), but missed the part about making sure that you have to approach this responsibly, and thus ended up raising a pair of falling-down drunks.

     

    Yeah, I suppose if your consistently binge drinking with your parents at 16 its probably not a good idea. But I think, in general, kids are less likely to start drinking recklessly once they have the ability to do it if they have learned something about alcohol and drank it with parents, rather than the kid whose parents said "No booze until you're 18! Then you can do what you want and I don't care!"

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    Well the question is, has anyone really had that hard a time getting alcohol/getting drunk before they were of legal age? Just like Marijuana, is there anyone you know that has actually really wanted to try it, but refused to merely because it was "illegal" ?

     

    Exactly. Prohibition does not work.

     

    I don't believe the state should not inhibit anyone's access to drugs or alcohol.

     

    So 5 year old's should be allowed to purchase beer?

     

    I don't think its realistic for a 5 year old to want to drink beer. But let's take for example, a 12-year old. Some kids that young do drink and it's really sad if they're getting sloshed. But I'd rather they have to do it in full view of the community than out in the woods, especially if they're drinking dangerously. A bar will cut you off at some point.

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    Obviously measures would need to be in place to ensure safe use of prescription drugs, but its access to such drugs that warrants discussion. In the context of alcohol, a 16 year old can buy booze in many european countries and all the evidence shows that they have less binge drinking and fewer alcohol related fatalities. This is because prohibition is a stupid idea that doesn't work, has never worked, for any substance, ever, and we should thoroughly reject the idea. Not to mention it relies on a police state.

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    Well the question is, has anyone really had that hard a time getting alcohol/getting drunk before they were of legal age? Just like Marijuana, is there anyone you know that has actually really wanted to try it, but refused to merely because it was "illegal" ?

     

    Exactly. Prohibition does not work.

     

    I don't believe the state should not inhibit anyone's access to drugs or alcohol.

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    Well, it's pretty evident that the guy is mentally unstable, so he deserves psychiatric assessment and care. I'm not one for prisons, but this is a case where he needs to be isolated for the sake of public safety. There needs to at least be an attempt to rehabilitate him. But if he is beyond rehabilitation, he still should be treated humanely.

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    I'm thinking D'anna reveals the 4 cylons we already know, but is killed before she can tell the last one since Lucy Lawless probably isn't staying on for the rest of the season but they want to draw out the reveal.

     

    I say she steps on Galactica and points out "you!" before fading to black :/

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    Tough shit. I'll explain it to you. We are all part of a community and we have an obligation to take care of each other. Without the community, you don't exist and neither does "your" money. When people are hurt, by violence or powerlessness (institutional violence), we are all diminished.

     

    This parental license you speak of is so off the wall and morally abhorrent I don't know where to begin.

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    Meltzer is reporting that fans attending the Hall of Fame Ceremony the night before WrestleMania will have to follow a dress code or will not be allowed in, whether they have a ticket or not. The code is "business attire". It's not expected to be strict, just no t-shirts, tank tops, jeans, etc. WWE might be assuming that the fans will act less rowdy and more "respectful" if they have to somewhat dress up.

    Good, I really hate when I see so many nice dressed up people at the Hall of fme then I see some fat fuck wearing a HHH shirt acting like he's 7.

     

    Well, that is their target demograph.

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