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They know from experience, that he's not good enough to be a starting goaltender in the NHL.

Ive seen the kid, and he is really good. However, Amateur Boxing and Pro Boxing, are two very very different things.

Thats because its not just Maine, its everywhere.

Open Range is awesome, Costner is shit but he's beyond gangster in that movie.

Give a team of two 20 minutes to have the best match possible.........the Japanese and Canadian team would dominate..... I did an essay in my OAC Creative Writing class about that, basically comparing it to Figure skating with judges and what not. I got a pretty good mark, but the teacher told me never to hand anything about wrestling again.

But you can't even spell argument, but we should somehow take you to be a goalie expert I am a goalie, I've played hockey since I was 5, Im 20 now, that doesn't make me an expert on NHL goalies, obviously but my point is not that Cloutier is bad, im pretty sure if you've read the posts its mostly just saying he's average at best and wont take am to the promised land. And that he doesn't deserve his money, and you keep harping on 30 wins. It means nothing when you play with a team the calibre of the Vancouver Canucks, they probably scored 4-5 goals with those wins, and let me tell you who didn't score those goals... Dan Cloutier.

Those odds are a bit squirelly

In the AHL, did you see him in the playoffs. Calle Johannson was a better pickup, and he isn't good by any means.

If you're gonna bring Theodore and Jiggy into a comparison with CLOUTIER you're insane. And both play for teams considerably worse then Vancouver in front, which says to me they're better goalies. Theodore hasn't "fallen back to earth" either, he's been Montreal's best player for the past 3 years, save for some shakiness in the 03 season, but still he's been what "good" goalies should be, the teams best player. And without Jiggy, Anaheim wouldn't have made the playoffs two years ago, let alone make it to the final, they did that on their goalies back something Vancouver doesnt have the luxury of because Cloutier is not capable of strapping a team on his back and taking them all the way. Again, this does not mean that he's "bad" it means he's not good enough to start on a team that has all the other tools necessary to win the Stanley Cup.

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I agree that Brodeur is over rated but the above is no where near "proof" it's a really strange hypothetical situation that wont ever occur, because number of shots vs quality of shots isnt included.

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Who cares if he won 30 games he had an awesome team in front of him. Does Roberto Luongo's record make him a worse goalie then Dan Cloutier? NO. But by your logic Cloutier has more wins so he's better... but I'm the retard Any average goalie with Vancouver is gonna get 30 wins based on the team alone, but were not talking about winning 30 games were talking about winning a Stanley Cup and Dan Cloutier is far to average to win a Stanley Cup.

Vancouver has an unbeleivable team, one of the best in the league I'd say Upfront you have quite possibly the best line in all the NHL, and if they had a goalie that could just Squeek a game out in the play offs they'd be fine. Pretty much 20 other goalies would be able to win the Cup with Vancouver or atleast be viable threats. Im not even talking Roy and Hasek esque goalies, hell I think Sean Burke could win a cup with Vancouver, and he's ridin pine in PHILLY, the team most notrious for goalie gaff's. The only thing to possbily like in Dan Cloutier is that he's outright insane its like he's the nest Ron Hextall. And i don't know whats with your Sopel hate, he may be one of the ugliest people on earth, but he's a solid D-Man that has a very good offensive swing, and Malek is a monster, and a solid prospect why would you want to get rid of him?

Montreal Canadiens ----------------------- Over - Jose Theodore I personally love him, but he has the WORST five hole in the NHL which pretty much proves how good he is at everything else, but still he gives up more 5hole goals then any other goalie in the league. Under - Richard Zednik Weak first round inthe playoffs this year probably has a bit to do with that, but even Boston fans have to recognize how well he played two years ago in the playoffs, and he's consistently been our best offensive player

My roommate in College is the biggest Vancouver fan I've ever met, and he falls into the same category as most Vancouver fans and the teams managment. For some reason despite sucking horribly in the Playoffs in 02 & 03, and then getting injured in 04, no one will admit that Dan Cloutier is just not that good. Thats not to say he sucks or is utter garbage, but I watched probably 50 Canuck games this year and Dan Cloutier won them all of zero games, as I ve been telling anyone that would listen for 3 years now, you put any "good" goalie with Vancouver and they'll be in the same class as the Detroit, Colorado's, New Jersey's etc. To use a Foleyism, Cloutier will always be the best of the worst, or the worst of the best, average at best. And wont ever win a Stanley Cup, unless its 5 years from now as a backup

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why make a topic that could apply to all sports, one-sport specific?

I have nothing to add to the conversation except that this is horribly grammatically incorrect and akin to saying Automatic Teller Machine Machine or something similarly ridiculous. Yes, I'm pedantic. I blame Bret Hart. I realise this is a little late, but this is fuckin HILARIOUS

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Then make a movie? They're filmakers, what are they supposed to do? Just because it differs from your point of view it, doesn't mean it wont have an audience and having an audience for movies is really all that matters.

California is voting Liberal, no matter what happens.

Its not TSN, its ESPN Classics which is a TSN network, and its on Wednesday @ 6 O'clock starting August 4th

If the kind people of TSM are so nice, hook a brother up.

Okay, Obviously I cant answer every question in that tangent, but In terms of pacing and what have you, the most important thing would be to really familiarize youself with the song as much as possible, read the lyrics and know them well. It has to be a pretty good song, not always but it helps enormously. Then as you said, during down time in the song, and the intro is when the walking around the ring occurs. As long as you can succesfully sync whats happening in the video to whats happening in the song, you'll make a good video. However this takes a long time to perfect and going at it with a once off approach may not give you the desired affects of what you can see elsewhere (i.e Maynard).