HarleyQuinn

If we do decide to go to IDP, I was thinking of the following set up. 1 points per solo tackle .5 point per assisted tackle 2 points per sack 1 points for forced fumble 1 point per fumble recovery 2 points for INT 6 points for TD 1 DL, 2 LB, 1 CB. As a total, you could get anywhere from 10-40 combined points in any given week. Players can also decide a game but the point totals are similar to QB/RB/WR in that you'd need an exceptional game to garner major points (ala Lewis' week 10 vs his week 5 performance). Here's an idea of how well players would be doing in this scoring system. LB Ray Lewis Week 5: 4 + .5 = 4.5 points (Had 5 tackles) LB Ray Lewis Week 10: 11 + 1.50 = 12.50 points (Had 14 tackles) CB Ed Reed Week 7: 5 + 2 = 7 points (5 tackles and 1 INT)

You don't want wideouts to be buried? Here's how you do it: Take out the points per rushing attempt (which is ludicrous, btw) Adjust the yardage numbers for rushing and receiving to 20 yards/point and 15 yards/point, respectively Do one point per reception If you do that, an average day for a wideout (3 catches, 45 yards) sits at six points while a great day (let's say 9 catches, 120 yards, 1 TD) sits at 23 points, which isn't too bad, honestly. Counter-balance the running backs accordingly and you've got a winner. For comparison: A RB with 52 yards and 4 catches for 49 yards would get 9.87 points while a RB who blows up with 157 yards rushing, 2 TD and 3 catches for 26 yards would get 24.58. I like MIB's idea and whole heartedly support it. An average game from a RB/WR gets an average point total while an explosion gets great numbers.

THURSDAY Virginia Tech SATURDAY Clemsona Iowa State Georgia Tech Michigan Army Central Michigan Rutgers Middle Tennessee Missouri Arkansas Tulsa Air Force Auburn Wisconsin Oregon Florida State Tiebreak #1: How many total points will be scored in the Maryland/Virginia Tech Game? 49 Tiebreak #2: How many yards passing will Maryland's Joel Stathan have against Virginia Tech? 228

True but the top CB's scoring wise are usually the guys who give you the most tackles. You can also use safeties in the CB role(guys like Rodney Harrison, Roy Williams, etc.) thus giving you more points than taking a guy like Charles Woodson and expecting 9-12 INT's.

I like the idea of Individual Defensive Positions(IDP) a lot more than team D's. This way, we can draft a DE/LB/CB while focusing on tackles/sacks/INT/fumble recoveries/TD. It'd also add a greater challenge to drafting if we do decide to turn this into a dynasty league as was the original intention. As far as positions: I'd like to see 2 DE, 2 LB and 2 CB. Just enough to get people to study a bit but not have it be overbearing.

Matchup From Week 10 Joey Harrington: 2.92 + 12.10 - 5 - 6 = 4.02 Jabbar Gaffney: 6 + 4.10 = 10.10 Darick Armstrong: 2 + 1.40 = 3.40 CuMart: 4 + .05 + 2.80 + 11.90 + 12 = 30.75 Arlen Harris: = 4.75 Justin McCairens: 4 + 3.00 = 7.00 Adam Vinny: 2 + 16 = 18 Steelers D: 15 + 12 + 10 + 8 = 45 Total: 123.02 Roethlisberger: 2.83 + 13.40 - 6 - 5 + .70 + 3.80 = 9.73 Burress: 10 + 6.60 = 16.60 Mason: 14 + 9.10 + 6 = 29.10 Dillon: 2.60 + 15.10 + 2 + 0.5 = 20.20 Edge: 2 + 8.60 + 1 + 1.40 = 13 Freddie Jones: = 2 + .04 = 2.04 Price: 4 + 2.00 = 6.00 Christie: = 2 Titans D: 0 + 15 + 4 + 10= 29 Total: 127.67 Top 5 Quarterbacks #1: Peyton Manning = 49.25 + 109.96 + 186 - 30 - 18 + 1.5 + 3.80 - 1 = 301.51 #2: Daunte Culpepper = 56.50 + 86.88 + 150 - 25 - 72 + 4.80 + 20.40 + 6 - 7 - 6 = 214.58 #3: Jake Plummer = 44.25 + 91.28 + 114 - 50 - 21 + 3.00 + 9.90 - 3 = 188.43 #4: Brett Favre = 48.25 + 89.72 + 108 - 45 - 15 + .06 + 1.20 - 1 = 186.23 #5: Drew Brees = 40 + 74.16 + 108 - 15 - 33 + 2.30 + 4.70 + 6 - 4 - 6 = 177.16 Top 5 Running Backs RB #1: Tiki Barber = 18.40 + 92.80 + 54 + 18 + 46.30 + 6 - 1 = 234.50 #2: Priest Holmes = 19.60 + 89.20 + 84 + 9.50 + 18.70 + 6 - 4 - 6 = 217.00 #3: Shaun Alexander = 19.50 + 105.50 + 54 + 6.50 + 10.30 + 18 - 2 - 3 = 208.80 #4: Curtis Martin = 21.80 + 98.40 + 54 + 13.50 + 12.40 + 6 - 1 = 205.10 #5: Ahman Green = 18 + 86.40 + 36 + 2.50 + 17.80 + 6 - 4 - 9 = 153.70 Top 5 Wide Receivers #1: Javon Walker = 24.50 + 85.70 + 48 - 2 - 6 = 150.20 #2: Terrell Owens = 24.50 + 75 + 54 + .1 - .3 = 153.30 #3: Joe Horn = 27 + 75.80 + 30 = 132.80 #4: Reggie Wayne = 20.50 + 63.60 + 42 = 126.10 #5: Muhsin Muhammed = 22.50 + 61.30 + 42 - 1 - 3 + .1 + .3 = 122.20 Starting Defenses for the Week Steelers D: 15 + 12 + 10 + 8 = 45 Titans D: 0 + 15 + 4 + 10= 29 Arizona: 0 + 18 + 0 + 0 = 18 NE: 30 + 6 + 5 = 41 Sea: -15 + 3 + 8 = -4 Stl: 15 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 37 Cin: 15 + 15 + 15 = 45 NYG: 0 + 6 = 6 Buf: -30 + 6 + 5 = -19 Chi: 0 + 9 + 8 + 5 + 6 + 10 = 38 NYJ: 0 + 9 + 4 = 13 Bal: 0 + 9 + 5 = 14 QB Week Comparison Brett Favre: 5 + 23.60 + 24 = 52.60 Trent Green: 5.50 + 31.10 - 6 + 6 - 10 +.1 + 1.30 = 28.00 Peyton: 4.50 + 21.50 - 3 - 10 + 30 = 43.00

If you judge it on Plummer, Favre and Brees than you'll notice it isn't as big a difference as you think.

Note: I'll revise the scoring totals when Flik gives me the total formulas/scoring system. I'll likely include TE/K/DEF if he gives me everything. Okay, here's the Top 5 from each position (ex: TE/K/DEF) based on current league scoring and what they'd score under Flik's set up. QB completions, RB attempts, and WR catches taken into account. Ratio .25 pts per completion, .10 pts per attempt, and a point per catch. Biggest Find: INT's as being worth 2 can kill QB's as can sacks. Fumbles are the same as INT's(-2) which is kind of questionable but whatever. QB #1: Peyton Manning = 49.25 + 1.50 + 3.80 - 12 - 6 + 186 + 109.96 - 2 = 330.51 #2: Daunte Culpepper = 56.50 + 4.80 + 20.40 - 24 - 10 - 14 + 108.48 + 150 + 6 = 298.18 #3: Jake Plummer = 44.25 + 3.00 + 9.90 - 20 - 7 - 6 + 91.28 + 114 = 229.43 #4: Brett Favre = 48.25 + .6 + 1.20 - 18 - 5 - 2 + 89.72 + 108 = 222.77 #5: Drew Brees = 40 + 2.30 + 4.70 + 6 - 6 - 11 - 8 + 74.16 + 108 = 210.16 For Fun: Michael Vick = 27.50 + 7.40 + 53.60 - 14 - 30 - 18 + 61.48 + 42 = 135.98 RB #1: Tiki Barber = 18.40 + 92.80 + 54 + 36 + 46.3 + 6 - 2 = 251.50 #2: Priest Holmes = 19.60 + 89.20 + 84 + 19 + 18.70 + 6 - 8 = 228.50 #3: Shaun Alexander = 19.50 + 105.50 + 54 + 13 + 10.30 + 18 - 4 = 216.30 #4: Curtis Martin = 21.80 + 98.40 + 54 + 27 + 12.40 + 6 - 2 = 217.60 #5: Ahman Green = 18 + 86.40 + 36 + 25 + 17.80 + 6 - 8 = 181.20 WR #1: Javon Walker = 49 + 85.70 + 48 - 4 = 178.70 #2: Terrell Owens = 49 + 75 + 54 = 178.00 #3: Joe Horn = 54 + 75.80 + 30 = 159.80 #4: Reggie Wayne = 41 + 63.60 + 42 = 146.60 #5: Muhsin Muhammed = 45 + 61.30 + 42 = 148.30

I could do that but I'll do it when I return and give you a summary alright? Got a group school project meeting to head to.

Get rid of the return yards and make it more focused on the DEFENSE(points allowed, fumble recovery, INT, sacks). Also players themselves have return yards so it's just duplicating it. Just let players have the return yards.

I'm liking my team more and more going into the potential playoffs(Assuming I go 6-4). Favre is capable of putting up 20+ easily and Clayton/Givens have been really stepping up. TJ should be huge once he gets healthy(hopefully next week) and should help form a devistating combo with SA. Kennison should be very good now that the KC offense is clicking again. Elam is Elam and Wiggins should benefit from the lack of Moss as he did this past week. My biggest concern is the Arizona D but they've been decent-solid all season for me.

As for last year, Kejuan Jones still had 925 yards rushing and 13 TD's. He only had 20+ carries in 4 games not including the bowl game vs LSU. I find it kind of funny that he had 225 rushing attempts all year inc. the bowl game and then AD comes in and has 254 attempts in 10 games. Seems like a reversal of play calling by focusing on the pass last year and focusing more on the run this year.

Even you are starting to wear on me Dam and I'm probably one of the few who likes you . Anyways, fact is that you can't say one thing and stay steadfast on that point, especially in the sports folder. Discussions mean opening yourself to other viewpoints and seeing where others are coming from. It's not being stubborn and wearing rose colored glasses. Also rather than just stating something as fact, people...use NUMBERS TO SUPPORT! It makes it easier to clarify your point and makes it harder for others to refute or gives them a way to counter argue by producing their own numbers. In Non-Conference Play... Big XII North: 2-1, 4-0, 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 2-1 = 13-5(.722) Big XII South(Oklahoma): 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, 3-0, 2-1, 2-1 = 15-3(.833) SEC East: 2-1, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 1-2, 1-2 = 10-5(.667) SEC West(Auburn): 3-0, 3-0, 3-0, 2-1, 1-2, 1-2 = 13-5(.722) Pac-10(USC, California): 3-0, 2-0, 2-0, 2-1, 1-2, 1-2, 2-1, 2-1, 1-2, 1-2 = 17-11(.607) Toughest Divisions in Order: Big XII South, Big XII North, SEC West, SEC East, Pac-10

In terms of Jason White being the best QB this year... There's 12 players with more yards passing this season. There's 11 players with better completion percentagaes. There's 10 players who have better yards per attempt numbers. There's two guys with more TD's(Omar Jacobs of Bowling Green and Andrew Walters of Arizona State). There's 4 quarterbacks with better QB Ratings than White. My Top QB for the Season Alex Smith(Utah, 10-0): Guy has 2,440 yards passing, only 73 yards fewer than White, on 37 less pass attempts. He has a 66% completion rate and a QB rating of 179.3 vs White's 165.7. Now before you go harping about how White has 28 TD's and only 4 INT's Alex Smith has 27 TD's and only 2 INT's. Smith also has a 9.53 YPA compared to White's 8.58, almost a yard better. The biggest reason for me putting Smith ahead though is his threat on the ground. He has 529 yards rushing and 9 TD's. Smith is better than White in 5 categories as is(biggest difference being the rushing as White has -49 yards rushing) and could surpass White soon in yards and TD's. Also as far as running help, Utah's leading rusher is Marty Johnson with 727 yards and 13 TD's on 142 carries. Compare that to the help White gets with Peterson who has 1,431 yards and 9 TD on 254 carries. As much as you don't want to hear it Dam, White has been largely helped by Peterson. Peterson has ran for over 100 yards in every game this season with the exception of the game vs Nebraska. He's also scored a TD in every game except Texas(Still ran for 225 yards) and Kansas State(still ran for 130 yards). Also keep in mind that AD has had 20 or more carries in 8 games whilst getting 30 or more in 3 of those games. Any common sense tells you that as a defense, if you see a guy running the ball 20-30 times in the game and he's a threat to get 200+ yards than you stack the box to try and stop him at all costs. As a result of this, you usually leave man coverage allowing the WR's to get open easier without the LB's to help cover the short route guys, thus causing the safety's to have to do that. Also Dam, I'm curious on this as the Patriots have done this a ton with the addition of Corey Dillon. Does Oklahoma do a lot of Play Action in the Red Zone or inside the 10? If so, then that's definitely a product of the threat of AD and the defenses constantly biting on it. Also, the TD passes by White in the Oklahoma State game were 4 yards, 72 yards, and 23 yards. As an aside though, AD did bust out an 80 yard TD run too. Just thought that would help clarify things. Also don't pull the "you're biased you hater, yadda yadda" cause that's just childish bullshit. Just cause I don't believe White is the best QB doesn't mean that I think he sucks. I personally have him at #2 with Omar Jacobs at #3. Also Leinart is well below White in numbers so if Leinart wins then it's BS.

109 points last night despite Wade pulling another no-show. Nov. 16th Lineup PG: Luke Ridnour SG: Ray Allen SF: AK-47 PF: Kevin Garnett C: Brad Miller Coach: Charlotte Bobcats

Start fearing my team fellas. I have 410 points on the week and am filling up all the categories moderately well too. I'm looking at a 13-0-1 record and 1st place, whoo!!

Some (Minor) Player News... Credit: Rotoworld.com The Cincinnati Reds re-signed C Jason Larue to a 1 year $3 Million contract. The Texas Rangers re-signed P Doug Brocail to a 1 year, $1 Million contract.

I had 105 points despite T-Mac doing a no show. Mainly thanks to Carmelo's 39 and KG's 32. 11/13 Lineup PG: Chauncey Billups SG: Lebron James SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Dirk Nowitzki C: Brad Miller Coach: Cleveland 100 on the nose!

Looking at him now, I wouldn't be surprised to see Utah QB Alex Smith garner serious consideration down the home stretch. The guy has a 24/2 ratio passing but also has 439 yards rushing and 8 TD's.

Just wanted to bump this to point out the great season that Bowling Green QB Omar Jacobs is having. BG has a 7-2 Record, 69.5% completion rate(5th in Division 1), 2833 yards(3rd in Division 1) and a 27(1st in Division 1)/2 TD to INT ratio. He also has a 170.1 QB rating which is good for 4th in Division 1 football at this point of the season. The only knock on him is that he hasn't faced any good Pass Defenses so far this season. He does have Marshall coming up as this week but that will be the toughest pass D he's faced all year.

Johnson totally got shafted...He had 72 more strikeouts then Clemens all while posting an ERA almost .40 points better too.

Managed 93 points despite the combined suck of Terry and Hamilton. 11/10/2004 Lineup PG: Gilbert Arenas SG: Allen Iverson SF: Richard Jefferson PF: Zach Randolph C: Emeka Okafur Coach: Cleveland

So now point differential is now more important than wins and losses? Now I remember why I can't stand BCS-bashers: they will look for ANY excuse to claim the champion didn't deserve it. Heck, if Michigan and Nebraska had played in the BCS title game in 1997, I'm sure there would be someone here complaining about how the winner isn't the true national champion because they didn't play some undefeated team from a mid-major like Tulane or something. You'll see HMW that I reneged on the Oklahoma was undeserving statement. I don't think FSU was as deserving since IMO, VTech was a weaker team than Nebraska. Also those were the only two teams that I pointed out as undeserving and I've clarified that one of them was deserving. Just because a team goes undefeated doesn't mean they are always better. What about those undefeated mid-majors? They went undefeated so why aren't they in the Top 10? Also they(undefeated teams) may not have faced the best competition in the bowl game either(ala VTech instead of Nebraska). As for the 1997 champion, I would've gone with Michigan. They faced 7 teams that were better than .500 during the season vs Nebraska's 4.

1999: FSU played 6 teams that had better than .500 records and killed VTech(11-1) 46-29 in the Sugar Bowl. Nebraska only played 5 games with teams better than .500 but beat a 9-5 Texas team for the Big XII championship and a 9-3 Tennessee team in the Fiesta Bowl. VTech also played 5 teams above .500 ball but two were 7-5 and one was 8-4. 2000: Oklahoma beat 6 teams that were better than .500 during the season. They beat 11-3 Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship and beat Florida State 13-2 in the Orange Bowl. They deserved it for beating Florida State. Miami however faced 7 teams that were better than .500 and beat Florida 37-20 in the Sugar Bowl. As an aside, FSU also faced 7 teams that were better than .500 ball. Conclusion: Oklahoma earned it but I would rather have seen FSU play Nebraska in the 1999 Sugar Bowl rather than Virginia Tech. http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/history/ is also a fabulous site BTW if you're into college football and the history of the game.

In 1999, Florida State = no. Nebraska(ranked 3rd) had a greater point differential(271 vs 255) and played an extra game(finished 12-1). FSU finished the season 12-0. In 2000, Oklahoma went 12-0 but had a PD of 287. Miami went 11-1 and had a PD of 316 and FSU despite going 11-2 had a PD of 375. Both Miami and FSU not only scored more than Oklahoma but allowed fewer points. Miami allowed only 4 fewer points but FSU allowed 55 fewer points in the same amount of games.